Strategies for making crazy beats.

youd get even more crazy noises if you didnt have to
start with a tight rhythmic loop. i guess you want to
end up with one, so why start with one? start with
recording the washing up or something.
theres an unlimited number of ways to make rhythmic
structures out of sound, in real time, or sequencing.
you got to quit your dayjob and buy thick curtains!
tracker type software is a good way to have very fine
structural control, try copying and improving renoise
or octamed
learning to actually play percussion, or remembering
the phrases as words may help you make structures. its
not just a software problem

good luck!

Good points chirokopter. I agree that using beatless/arhythymic sounds can be very cool to make rhythyms. My example was for a more "fractalized loop recycler".

I see how you could get an infinite amount of *tones* from say, a WAV of the washer using BPF, FFT, fm, playback speed, etc. You could make anything from oonz to tick.

The part I'm brainstorming on is ways to make the beats *crazy, yet cohesive* Without having to "do it by hand". So then it becomes about generating the pattern, the hit placement, accents in volume and tone, little rolls, etc. That way, the computer can suriprise you, and you can develop rhythyms you wouldn't think of.

metasequencing, sequencing a sequence , can make
fractal like beats, with a degree of control.
i use logic to sequence sequences made in max msp
sometimes, or max to sequence max sequences, or you
could use touch tracks in logic to jam sequences. you
can also sequence trackers like renoise with another
sequencer i think. its like the first level makes the
word, and the second level makes the sentences. the
harder part is to make the paragraphs and chapters,
and write a good story
you can make vst instruments or use rewire to get
things to talk. i like building sequences with max
cause i can change all the parameters very easily to
get a totally new sound from a given sequence

I've been working on something similar recently. I'm working with random source sounds and imposing envelopes on the sounds to give them percussive attack and decay characteristics.

In order to create a rhythm from the sounds i created a master beat bang using phasor~ and with 2 or 3 rate~ objects i created various subdivisions of the master beat.

I made a patcher which randomly chooses between the bangs from the master beat and it's subdivisions. It's still quite basic but it's early days for this patch.

There are some audio examples on my news page

good luck,

john.

i found rate~ a bit clumsy to synchronize, its was
easier to multiply by the number of divisions you
want, then use pong~ to wrap the result between 0 and
1, keeps it all synched up

you can use the phasor divisions over the random
sounds to make gain/pitch/whatever envelopes by doing
maths to turn them into nice little curves. also you
can use the phasor to do superfast fades to get rid of
clicks .

or you can use messages to change
the position in the buffer and mess
the code up to get it a bit more
untight like this plug-in does it
http://adminX.de/roman/_laut8leise/software/X-ReArrange-A-12 0.toast

will you guys plz post your patches ?!?
This will be interesting if we could all share our ideas on this same rhythm topic. I didn't quite fully understand everyone's patch.

hmm. I can understand using the message and selecting the start&end-points method to control groove~'s beats, but I cannot understand how to use the pong~, rate~, phasor~ to do the same thing.

How do I sync groove~ by using pong~ or those objects ?
>>also you can use the phasor to do superfast fades to get rid of
clicks .
And that sounds very interesting, too.

I'd really appriciate for your advice since I'm working on the exact same topic at the moment. thx.

heres a patch using play~
you could do a similar thing with wave~
groove~ isnt so useful with phasors, but its possible