to ;max rounded $1 or to NOT ;max rounded 1?

Hm. As I believe I noted in my post, I wouldn't necessarily put my views that strongly until I've actually used the shipping version. The new look might just need some more spit & polish. A ;max rounded $1 message might be a lot of work that would be better spent elsewhere.

Anyway, I'd prefer you didn't add my name to your list of "supporters" in this manner without, y'know, asking first.

Do we really need another thread about this? Bah. It's Friday, I'm grumpy...

Quote: johnpitcairn wrote on Tue, 06 November 2007 14:55
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> FWIW:
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> Without having used it yet, and with the disclaimer that I might reverse my position, I think I'd prefer black or grey thin borders and square corners on objects, but rounded patchcord corners to better distinguish between junctions and crossings.
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> The new object style seems a little over-designed and less readable (as code) to me - the objects attract the eye rather than the more important statements within them, so your eye jumps around from object to object. The term "eye candy" is very appropriate.
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> Round corners on everything reminds me of the early days of PageMaker etc, when suddenly everything started sprouting round corners because we no longer had to make them with letraset or draw them with technical pens or cut them with scalpels. Wow! Look what we can do! They're exciting at first, but date quickly.

Yeah, right. Note I reserved the right to reverse my position later, didn't voice my support for a max message to turn 'em on/off at all, and (in the bit you haven't bothered to quote) suggested that some more attention to consistency might be all that's required. Don't put words in my mouth.

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the whole point is this should be customizable
if you argue against customizable interfaces then you are just trying to be agree and not offend anybody

Not arguing against customization, arguing against being misrepresented. Gotta go, Friday 6pm here. Flame away, I'm outta here!

I'm squarely anti-round-corner, but I don't know that yet another $1 to think about is necessarily the answer. My concern looking at the new max is generally that the interface design seems weak. Given that this is a graphical programming environment, a lot of careful thought should go into the graphical interface (and remember max has looked the same for a lllong time). The round corners seem to me to be an oversight, something trendy and new at the expense of function, which is worrisome in a graphical programming language.

In any case, I'd like to see c74 really delve into the graphic design issue more, maybe won't be in v5.0, that's fine, but it is certainly a key aspect of the program, one that seems to warrant some serious thought, perhaps more than round corners or the $1s to unround, polygonalize or trianglize them.

Has anyone counted how many people approve of the new look or just don't care?

For the record:
For my UI I will use Imageburgers if/when necessary. For programming in Max I don't care.

I would prefer *not* to have yet another user-selectable option. There are too many as it is.

Good UI design is not always about giving the user an insurmountable number of options, in many cases it's about making a decision and sticking to it.

There are obviously people who are passionately against the rounded corners and they may already be pulling out the napalm as we read this message. I would prefer to agree to disagree in peace, but if someone is determined to flame, ain't nothing gonna stop 'em.

i support the request to be able to not have rounded corners in max5 -
be it "rounded $1" or any other solution.
however, i will use max5 from the first possible moment on...

p

hates_rounded_corners wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> To the dismay of many I bring forth an attention to the issue of rounded corners and Max 5. Crazy I may be, but, there are other crazies amongst us. Such notable psychos are listed below. They agree that the option to enable/disable rounded corners should be instated and available as an option in Max 5.
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> adamj
> ahsjikulcoinaiheuagyjosjia
> cebec
> f.e.
> i.te
> Isjtar
> itchy
> jln
> johnpitcairn
> Joseph Hyde
> Karl Kliem
> Kasper T Toeplitz
> Kevin Shea Adams
> lists@lowfrequency.or
> m e t a
> Mattijs
> MJ
> Nick Inhofe
> pelang
> peter.mcculloch@gmail.com
> Roman Thilenius
> seejayjames
> simonbreak
> Timothy Devine
> TodorTodoroff
> tomlists
> yacine@collectifs.net
> Zola
>
> Twenty Nine users have stated that the option has VALUE. Twenty nine users think that it would make life in Max liveable for some, better for others. I implore you, please, allow us the ability to customize the look and feel of Max 5. I use blackbox as my window manager under XP for crying out loud. My whole computer is gray, blocky, dark, and minimal... like Max 4. Give me the option to at least make Max 5 useable for us peculiars that need these silly little options available in our lives to get through the day. It'll make me and the rest of us very happy.
>
> Thank you.
>
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