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Can I install CFM support later, or only during initial install?


Feb 16 2007 | 5:30 am

Hi, all:
I’m working on a Boulez piece (Anthemes 2) that uses Max patches from the 4.5.1 era. Of course, loading it onto my MacBook with Max 4.6.2, I’m getting the "loading older CFM objects disabled" error.

I noticed in the "Max Topics" documentation that there is a choice during install to include support for such objects, but clearly I didn’t do that.

Is it possible to do a partial re-install or similar to add those features? Or is there an easier way?

Thanks much,
CK

Feb 16 2007 | 5:42 am

You can’t load CFM externals on an intel mac. If you use a PPC mac,
there’s an installer inside the MaxMSP.app folder you can run to get
CFM support.

wes

On 2/15/07, ck barlow wrote:
>
> Hi, all:
> I’m working on a Boulez piece (Anthemes 2) that uses Max patches from the 4.5.1 era. Of course, loading it onto my MacBook with Max 4.6.2, I’m getting the "loading older CFM objects disabled" error.
>
> I noticed in the "Max Topics" documentation that there is a choice during install to include support for such objects, but clearly I didn’t do that.
>
> Is it possible to do a partial re-install or similar to add those features? Or is there an easier way?
>
> Thanks much,
> CK
>

Feb 16 2007 | 3:20 pm

OK… maybe I misread the Topics documentation. I don’t remember it saying "this install option isn’t available for Intel Macs…"

Well, then: Can anyone tell me the likelihood of issues for running it using Max/MSP Runtime 4.5.7, which loads the required patches just fine with no error messages, on my MacBook? Or do I need to drag my PPC desktop machine onto the stage?

Feb 16 2007 | 4:27 pm

Rosetta works for 4.5.7, but it can cause glitches in your audio. I
did some work with 4.5.x on Intel while waiting for 4.6 to come out.
I could build & test patches fine, but recording audio with any real-
time driver was, well, glitchy.

There’s plenty of discussion of the problems involved if you browse
through the archives from when Intel Macs first came out.

On 16-Feb-2007, at 16:20, ck barlow wrote:

> Well, then: Can anyone tell me the likelihood of issues for running
> it using Max/MSP Runtime 4.5.7, which loads the required patches
> just fine with no error messages, on my MacBook? Or do I need to
> drag my PPC desktop machine onto the stage?

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Feb 16 2007 | 4:35 pm

I might be in luck, actually — the piece uses an outboard (hardware) sampler, so I’m pretty sure there’s minimal audio, mostly MIDI, dealt with in the Max patchers. It likely uses incoming audio as a trigger, not as source for direct transformation. But I’m not 100% sure yet; just starting to dig in.
Maybe the best next step is to contact IRCAM and see if they have released an Intel-happy version of the patchers.

I did see the "trail of dead" in the forum; thank you!

Feb 16 2007 | 4:51 pm

FWIW – I successfully ran MaxMSP 4.5.7 under Rosetta on an Intel Mac
for a few months, including a couple of gigs. No problem with
processing audio in real-time w/o glitches. I was mostly doing
reverb, pitch shifting, filtering, and delays.

On Feb 16, 2007, at 9:35 AM, ck barlow wrote:

>
> I might be in luck, actually — the piece uses an outboard
> (hardware) sampler, so I’m pretty sure there’s minimal audio,
> mostly MIDI, dealt with in the Max patchers. It likely uses
> incoming audio as a trigger, not as source for direct
> transformation. But I’m not 100% sure yet; just starting to dig in.
> Maybe the best next step is to contact IRCAM and see if they have
> released an Intel-happy version of the patchers.
>

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Feb 16 2007 | 5:02 pm

Feb 16 2007 | 5:07 pm

Feb 16 2007 | 6:07 pm

FWIW, we don’t support the use of any version of MaxMSP previous to 4.6
on Intel Macs. Your best bet is to try and find UB updates for any
third-party externals you are using. If you can’t find anything
specific, ask here. Someone is bound to know the status.

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Feb 16 2007 | 6:50 pm

Andrew: FWIW, it’s worth a lot! Thanks for the advice.

So your "best bet" suggestion means that I should load the IRCAM patches, watch the Max window and make note of all the externals it’s complaining about, then look specifically for UB versions of those externals?

thanks,
ck

Feb 16 2007 | 6:55 pm

exactly.

Good luck!

AB

Feb 16 2007 | 6:56 pm

Thanks very much, Patrick! Well… I do have a G5 dual 2GHz desktop machine. Do you think I would be better off running it there?

And are you saying I could run both the master and slave components on the single machine?

I consider it great luck that you responded, since you’ve done the piece! I appreciate your assistance very much.

ck

Feb 16 2007 | 7:11 pm

ck barlow wrote:
> Hi, all: I’m working on a Boulez piece (Anthemes 2) that uses Max
> patches from the 4.5.1 era. Of course, loading it onto my MacBook
> with Max 4.6.2, I’m getting the "loading older CFM objects disabled"
> error.

Which objects are missing? Maxobjects will also list UB versions…
And a lot of externals can easily be replaced by abhaXIonS… (X for Os
X, I for Intel, and S for windowS… ;-)

Stefan


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Feb 16 2007 | 7:18 pm

Good to know; thank you. I will check.

Feb 16 2007 | 7:57 pm

Feb 16 2007 | 9:27 pm

ck barlow wrote:
> OK… maybe I misread the Topics documentation. I don’t remember it
> saying "this install option isn’t available for Intel Macs…"

CFM is PPC code, you can’t mix PPC with Intel code within one application…

> Well, then: Can anyone tell me the likelihood of issues for running
> it using Max/MSP Runtime 4.5.7, which loads the required patches just
> fine with no error messages, on my MacBook? Or do I need to drag my
> PPC desktop machine onto the stage?

Max 4.5.7 runs fine in Rosetta emulating a PPC. If your patch doesn’t
hit the CPU ceiling, just run it with Rosetta… Its like a 800 MHz PPC
maybe…


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