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is it possible to change the object palette? i assume so as soft.vns adds a few icons.

would come in really handy as I seldom use it besides the six leftmost objects.

is it possible to change the object palette? i assume so as soft.vns adds a few icons.
would come in really handy as I seldom use it besides the six leftmost objects.

customizing-object-palette

> > is it possible to change the object palette?

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well, then that can be considered a feature request.

i'd like to have any object (also 3rd party) to be placed at any location with a picture of my choosing as an icon.

and add to that shortcuts for inserting objects and messages, like in PD, the scripting way of doing it is too clumsy.

> > is it possible to change the object palette?
>
> No...
>
> ej

you sure? try installing softVNS,,, it adds some objects to the palette.

On around Feb 27, 2006, at 20:25, jonathan marcus said something like:

> you sure? try installing softVNS,,, it adds some objects to the 

The palette is there for User Interface objects. You write a UI object, 

your user puts it into max-startup, and its in the palette. That's what 

Jitter does, that's what SoftVNS does, that's what iCE does, that's 

what Nato did, that's what everyone else adding objects to the palette 

On around Feb 27, 2006, at 19:48, junior said something like:

> i'd like to have any object (also 3rd party) to be placed at any 

> location with a picture of my choosing as an icon.

But that's not what the UI palette is there for.

The palette is actually far more limiting than object boxes.

> and add to that shortcuts for inserting objects and messages, like in 

> PD, the scripting way of doing it is too clumsy.

I take it you're already making full use of Templates, Clippings, 

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On around Feb 27, 2006, at 20:25, jonathan marcus said something like:
> you sure? try installing softVNS,,, it adds some objects to the 
> palette.

The palette is there for User Interface objects. You write a UI object, 
your user puts it into max-startup, and its in the palette. That's what 
Jitter does, that's what SoftVNS does, that's what iCE does, that's 
what Nato did, that's what everyone else adding objects to the palette 
does.

On around Feb 27, 2006, at 19:48, junior said something like:
> i'd like to have any object (also 3rd party) to be placed at any 
> location with a picture of my choosing as an icon.

> and add to that shortcuts for inserting objects and messages, like in 
> PD, the scripting way of doing it is too clumsy.

I take it you're already making full use of Templates, Clippings, 
Shortcuts, and Prototypes?

Quote: Peter Castine wrote on Mon, 27 February 2006 14:17

> The palette is there for User Interface objects. You write a UI object, 

> your user puts it into max-startup, and its in the palette. That's what 

> Jitter does, that's what SoftVNS does, that's what iCE does, that's 

> what Nato did, that's what everyone else adding objects to the palette 

> I take it you're already making full use of Templates, Clippings, 

i do, a key combination for new objects and messages would top it off.

the more time i spend on max, the more i want to optimize my workflow.

the clippings feature is a godsend, as is the extra's folder.

making lots of general use patchers is nice too.

reminds me, better get into them shortcuts...

Quote: Peter Castine wrote on Mon, 27 February 2006 14:17
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> Yeah, User Interface objects.
>
> The palette is there for User Interface objects. You write a UI object, 
> your user puts it into max-startup, and its in the palette. That's what 
> Jitter does, that's what SoftVNS does, that's what iCE does, that's 
> what Nato did, that's what everyone else adding objects to the palette 
> does.

ah, thanks for that...
> I take it you're already making full use of Templates, Clippings, 
> Shortcuts, and Prototypes?

the more time i spend on max, the more i want to optimize my workflow.
the clippings feature is a godsend, as is the extra's folder.
making lots of general use patchers is nice too.
reminds me, better get into them shortcuts...


On around Feb 27, 2006, at 23:30, junior said something like:

>> I take it you're already making full use of Templates, Clippings,

Fair 'nuff. To be honest, I hardly ever use shortcuts, despite having 

built a massive list of them. And whenever I see someone pointing to Pd 

as a model for user interaction... experience has taught to ask the 

> a key combination for new objects and messages would top it off.

There have been times when I would have liked to generate a new object 

without grabbing the mouse. But, aside from the fact that Max already 

has 30 menu shortcuts and who's got time to memorize all of 'em 

rhetorical question mark, object creation is an intrinsically graphic 

operation. You need some way to specify *where* to put down the new 

bugger^W object box. And the way to specify a location in a patcher 

I do option-drag a lot to create new objects, oftentime I select an 

existing object and hit Cmd-D. Either way, type to replace the box 

content. Don't forget that you can type the name of a UI object into an 

object box and heyprestobobsyeruncle. That includes typing the magic 

incantation "message" (without the quotes) into an object box.

Now, if patch cords would just remain in place when transfiguring an 

objbox into a messbox, *that* would be something worth begging Cycling 

On around Feb 27, 2006, at 23:30, junior said something like:
>> I take it you're already making full use of Templates, Clippings,
>> Shortcuts, and Prototypes?
>
> i do,

Fair 'nuff. To be honest, I hardly ever use shortcuts, despite having 
built a massive list of them. And whenever I see someone pointing to Pd 
as a model for user interaction... experience has taught to ask the 
question that was asked.

There have been times when I would have liked to generate a new object 
without grabbing the mouse. But, aside from the fact that Max already 
has 30 menu shortcuts and who's got time to memorize all of 'em 
rhetorical question mark, object creation is an intrinsically graphic 
operation. You need some way to specify *where* to put down the new 
bugger^W object box. And the way to specify a location in a patcher 
window is that damn' furless rodent.

I do option-drag a lot to create new objects, oftentime I select an 
existing object and hit Cmd-D. Either way, type to replace the box 
content. Don't forget that you can type the name of a UI object into an 
object box and heyprestobobsyeruncle. That includes typing the magic 
incantation "message" (without the quotes) into an object box.

Now, if patch cords would just remain in place when transfiguring an 
objbox into a messbox, *that* would be something worth begging Cycling 
74 for.

Quote: Peter Castine wrote on Tue, 28 February 2006 08:49

> object box and heyprestobobsyeruncle. That includes typing the magic 

> incantation "message" (without the quotes) into an object box.

> Now, if patch cords would just remain in place when transfiguring an 

> objbox into a messbox, *that* would be something worth begging Cycling 

i'd like to have them signal cables a pixel slimmer too, they're too fat, but that's really nitpicking...

just checked out the toolbox and must say, it rocks!

need to adapt it though, number keys are a pain on azerty laprtopkeyboards, bloody french/belgian conspiracy : (

Quote: Peter Castine wrote on Tue, 28 February 2006 08:49
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> object box and heyprestobobsyeruncle. That includes typing the magic 
> incantation "message" (without the quotes) into an object box.

> Now, if patch cords would just remain in place when transfiguring an 
> objbox into a messbox, *that* would be something worth begging Cycling 
> 74 for.

need to adapt it though, number keys are a pain on azerty laprtopkeyboards, bloody french/belgian conspiracy : (


> i'd like to have them signal cables a pixel slimmer too, they're 

On the contrary: I'm sure Cycling '74 could start a handy little 

sideline in selling an upgrade to Max/MSP featuring extra-fat, low- 

impedance patch cords. Of course, the longer the cord, the more it 

would cost. And command-Y would have to be disabled: those right- 

angle bends would really degrade the sound quality.

nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- 

> i'd like to have them signal cables a pixel slimmer too, they're  
> too fat,

On the contrary: I'm sure Cycling '74 could start a handy little  
sideline in selling an upgrade to Max/MSP featuring extra-fat, low- 
impedance patch cords. Of course, the longer the cord, the more it  
would cost. And command-Y would have to be disabled: those right- 
angle bends would really degrade the sound quality.

   nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- http:// 
www.cassiel.com


I do this all the time, you might have missed the paste replace? Wasn't 

it Emmanuel who wrote a script to add a shortcut for that function?

Search the archives and you'll find it...

Peter Castine wrote:
> Now, if patch cords would just remain in place when transfiguring an 
> objbox into a messbox, *that* would be something worth begging Cycling 
> 74 for.

I do this all the time, you might have missed the paste replace? Wasn't 
it Emmanuel who wrote a script to add a shortcut for that function?
Search the archives and you'll find it...

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I've always thought that UI objects should have arguments so you 

could type "jsui jsui_swoopdial.js" and get the swoop dial or 

"message foo blarg" and get a message box with "foo blarg" written 

into it. also min and max points for dials and such.

I've always thought that UI objects should have arguments so you  
could type "jsui jsui_swoopdial.js" and get the swoop dial or  
"message foo blarg" and get a message box with "foo blarg" written  
into it.   also min and max points for dials and such.

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I figure that's because numerics lead to money...

Seriously, this is the only time i request anything to C74 but how could 

they put this away for so long time ?! : just a file / preference / 

keyboard shortcuts option, for god's sake.

All the tricks like Toolbox or others scripts are nice but will never 

replace user defined parameters coded IN the software. And i realy miss 

the paste-replace shortcut. And i still don't understand why there's a 

ctrl/apple-V for paste and no ctrl+shift+V for paste-replace... If you 

can do it for one, you can do it for all.

Seriously, this is the only time i request anything to C74 but how could 
they put this away for so long time ?! : just a file / preference / 
keyboard shortcuts option, for god's sake.
All the tricks like Toolbox or others scripts are nice but will never 
replace user defined parameters coded IN the software. And i realy miss 
the paste-replace shortcut. And i still don't understand why there's a 
ctrl/apple-V for paste and no ctrl+shift+V for paste-replace... If you 
can do it for one, you can do it for all.

so you're against this new crazy proposal : renaming cities and 

forbiding french in everyday use ?! politic... i heard it's to cut off 

the special budget treatment french areas got in the dutch part of the 

so you're against this new crazy proposal : renaming cities and 
forbiding french in everyday use ?! politic... i heard it's to cut off 
the special budget treatment french areas got in the dutch part of the 
country.

don't get me started, there's a lot of idiocy like this going on, some find it historical, I find it backwards. 

but do keep in mind that a small minority is causing these mediaoutbursts and it is not a general sentiment, on the other hand general consensus is that some things need to be reformed on both sides. only real problem is that we have more money then the french speaking and they have larger unemployment and the like, some people just don't feel like sharing. on the other hand, shared money is being used the wrong way.

anyway, I live in Brussels, speak dutch with other dutch speakers, when there is a french speaking person around we speak french and if there's someone who speaks another tongue, we happily speak english together.

i'm really more concerned about extreme right wing anti-foreigner ideologies, though both are related.

don't get me started, there's a lot of idiocy like this going on, some find it historical, I find it backwards. 
but do keep in mind that a small minority is causing these mediaoutbursts and it is not a general sentiment, on the other hand general consensus is that some things need to be reformed on both sides. only real problem is that we have more money then the french speaking and they have larger unemployment and the like, some people just don't feel like sharing. on the other hand, shared money is being used the wrong way.

anyway, I live in Brussels, speak dutch with other dutch speakers, when there is a french speaking person around we speak french and if there's someone who speaks another tongue, we happily speak english together.
people themselves get along pretty well.

> anyway, I live in Brussels, speak dutch with other dutch speakers, 

> when there is a french speaking person around we speak french and if 

> there's someone who speaks another tongue, we happily speak english 

> people themselves get along pretty well.

I'll be in Bxl for a couple of ars musica concerts (the 13/3 for a 

percussion/max/msp concert, the 19/3 at bozar-terarken, at 11h, for a 

piece with electronics, 2 "electric tp", e-cello, kb - see 

http://www.arsmusica.be/2006/nl/programma.asp).

mixing desk. Say hello if you're around, so we can speak politics - but 

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> anyway, I live in Brussels, speak dutch with other dutch speakers, 
> when there is a french speaking person around we speak french and if 
> there's someone who speaks another tongue, we happily speak english 
> together.
> people themselves get along pretty well.

I'll be in Bxl for a couple of ars musica concerts (the 13/3 for a 
percussion/max/msp concert, the 19/3 at bozar-terarken, at 11h, for a 
piece with electronics, 2 "electric tp", e-cello, kb - see 
http://www.arsmusica.be/2006/nl/programma.asp). I'll be behind the 
mixing desk. Say hello if you're around, so we can speak politics - but 
it has to be in french, sorry :-)

p
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Quote: Patrick Delges wrote on Wed, 01 March 2006 03:44

> I'll be in Bxl for a couple of ars musica concerts (the 13/3 for a 

> percussion/max/msp concert, the 19/3 at bozar-terarken, at 11h, for a 

> piece with electronics, 2 "electric tp", e-cello, kb - see 

> mixing desk. Say hello if you're around, so we can speak politics

damn francophones, don't speak a damn word dutch ; )

Quote: Patrick Delges wrote on Wed, 01 March 2006 03:44
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> I'll be in Bxl for a couple of ars musica concerts (the 13/3 for a 
> percussion/max/msp concert, the 19/3 at bozar-terarken, at 11h, for a 
> piece with electronics, 2 "electric tp", e-cello, kb - see 
> http://www.arsmusica.be/2006/nl/programma.asp). I'll be behind the 
> mixing desk. Say hello if you're around, so we can speak politics 

GREAT ! Sorry, for the teasing. I've just read this bloody mess in a 

newspaper before reading your post. I'll buy you a drink as soon as you 

GREAT ! Sorry, for the teasing. I've just read this bloody mess in a 
newspaper before reading your post. I'll buy you a drink as soon as you 
put a foot in Paris, really.

it would also be cool if align and redo would not have the same (ctrl+y) 

> I, too, would dearly love to have cmd-something-V for Paste Replace.

it would also be cool if align and redo would not have the same (ctrl+y) 
shortcut (on xp)

> I, too, would dearly love to have cmd-something-V for Paste Replace.


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