Anthony Palomba

http://www.ableton.com/cycling-partnership?i=hp

Man, my mouth is watering just thinking about the 

possibilities. Maybe they will recompile Live as 

For those who have not heard...
http://www.ableton.com/cycling-partnership?i=hp

Man, my mouth is watering just thinking about the 
possibilities. Maybe they will recompile Live as 
a Max object. Oh the anticipation...

cycling-74-and-ableton-to-codevelop-new-products

I had a good chuckle at what Peter Kirn said over at CDM:

"Also, as a Max/MSP nerd, I have to point out that the way they've 

patched Ableton and Cycling '74 together in the graphic is likely to 

cause stack overflows as it's a loop. (Sorry, couldn't resist.)"

http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/03/27/ableton-teams-up-with-cycling-74-on-new-products/#comments

At 1:25 PM -0600 3/27/07, apalomba@austin.rr.com wrote:

202 Hack / PC-1600 User / VSTi Host / OMS Convert / Jack OS X / Major 

"Also, as a Max/MSP nerd, I have to point out that the way they've 
patched Ableton and Cycling '74 together in the graphic is likely to 
cause stack overflows as it's a loop. (Sorry, couldn't resist.)"

At 1:25 PM -0600 3/27/07, apalomba@austin.rr.com wrote:
>For those who have not heard...
>http://www.ableton.com/cycling-partnership?i=hp

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what a great way to meet the demand for a sequencer. I'm kind of scared... but good scared.

what a great way to meet the demand for a sequencer.  I'm kind of scared... but good scared.


While this is a real "Barney" press release, I hope good things come of it.

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I must be really short sighted here because I can't think of how the two would bridge =( yeah. well, anyways, that's good news, I think...

I must be really short sighted here because I can't think of how the two would bridge =(  yeah. well, anyways, that's good news, I think...


Wow, this can get very very interesting. Thanks for the post Anthony!

I love the GUI/Graphical Design in Ableton Live.

Thus I hope C74 rebuilds Max with Ableton design team ;-)

I love the GUI/Graphical Design in Ableton Live.
Thus I hope C74 rebuilds Max with Ableton design team ;-)

On Mar 28, 2007, at 7:55 AM, jeanfrancois.charles wrote:

> I think it's great news. Hope it will also be great for Max 5.

So for Max/MSP users out there that are thinking about purchasing a 

sequencer/production environment, should they now be thinking about 

Live instead of the usual suspects (ProTools, Logic, Digital 

Performer)? Curious, because this is where I find myself. I had 

always used whatever we had in the studio and was about to get 

Live always struck me as too "loopy", but my preferred linear 

environment (Logic) seems to be heading more in that direction. 

Anyone care to comment on this perception?

On Mar 28, 2007, at 7:55 AM, jeanfrancois.charles wrote:
> I think it's great news. Hope it will also be great for Max 5.

So for Max/MSP users out there that are thinking about purchasing a  
sequencer/production environment, should they now be thinking about  
Live instead of the usual suspects (ProTools, Logic, Digital  
Performer)?  Curious, because this is where I find myself.  I had  
always used whatever we had in the studio and was about to get  
something for my personal machine.

Live always struck me as too "loopy", but my preferred linear  
environment (Logic) seems to be heading more in that direction.   
Anyone care to comment on this perception?

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Nathan Wolek, PhD --- nwolek@stetson.edu
Assistant Professor of Music Technology
Stetson University - DeLand, FL
http://www.nathanwolek.com


Live has both a scene triggering interface and a linear arrangement view. But when it comes to editing MIDI and audio

data, it is pretty weak when compared to many products like

Logic, Sonar, etc... I am holding off from buying Live. I think 

eventually Max will have a pretty decent track/sequence 

interface, hopefully this "codevelopment" will speed things up.

Live has both a scene triggering interface and a linear arrangement view. But when it comes to editing MIDI and audio
data, it is pretty weak when compared to many products like
Logic, Sonar, etc... I am holding off from buying Live. I think 
eventually Max will have a pretty decent track/sequence 
interface, hopefully this "codevelopment" will speed things up.


wasn't live developed out of the max work that robert henke was doing?

On Mar 28, 2007, at 2:52 PM, Anthony Palomba wrote:

> Live has both a scene triggering interface and a linear arrangement 

> view. But when it comes to editing MIDI and audio

> data, it is pretty weak when compared to many products like

> Logic, Sonar, etc... I am holding off from buying Live. I think

> eventually Max will have a pretty decent track/sequence

> interface, hopefully this "codevelopment" will speed things up.

"Flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

wasn't live developed out of the max work that robert henke was doing?
b

>
> Live has both a scene triggering interface and a linear arrangement  
> view. But when it comes to editing MIDI and audio
> data, it is pretty weak when compared to many products like
> Logic, Sonar, etc... I am holding off from buying Live. I think
> eventually Max will have a pretty decent track/sequence
> interface, hopefully this "codevelopment" will speed things up.
>

"Flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
Douglas Adams


Quote: Anthony Palomba wrote on Wed, 28 March 2007 11:52

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> Live has both a scene triggering interface and a linear arrangement view. But when it comes to editing MIDI and audio

> Logic, Sonar, etc... I am holding off from buying Live. I think 

> eventually Max will have a pretty decent track/sequence 

> interface, hopefully this "codevelopment" will speed things up. 

I'd like to switch to Live, but the midi editing is pretty weak, as Anthony has stated. Cubase does it much better in my not so humble opinion.

Quote: Anthony Palomba wrote on Wed, 28 March 2007 11:52
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> Live has both a scene triggering interface and a linear arrangement view. But when it comes to editing MIDI and audio
> data, it is pretty weak when compared to many products like
> Logic, Sonar, etc... I am holding off from buying Live. I think 
> eventually Max will have a pretty decent track/sequence 
> interface, hopefully this "codevelopment" will speed things up. 
>
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I'd like to switch to Live, but the midi editing is pretty weak, as Anthony has stated.  Cubase does it much better in my not so humble opinion.


On Mar 28, 2007, at 10:09 PM, jamez wrote:

> Quote: Anthony Palomba wrote on Wed, 28 March 2007 11:52

> ----------------------------------------------------

>> Live has both a scene triggering interface and a linear 

>> arrangement view. But when it comes to editing MIDI and audio

>> data, it is pretty weak when compared to many products like

>> Logic, Sonar, etc... I am holding off from buying Live. I think

>> eventually Max will have a pretty decent track/sequence

>> interface, hopefully this "codevelopment" will speed things up.

> I'd like to switch to Live, but the midi editing is pretty weak, as 

> Anthony has stated. Cubase does it much better in my not so humble 

not good enough to justify the huge pain it is ; )

seriously, there is room in max land for something like this. i 

really really hate cubase, live has it's strength but to loopy for me 

>
> Quote: Anthony Palomba wrote on Wed, 28 March 2007 11:52
> ----------------------------------------------------
>> Live has both a scene triggering interface and a linear  
>> arrangement view. But when it comes to editing MIDI and audio
>> data, it is pretty weak when compared to many products like
>> Logic, Sonar, etc... I am holding off from buying Live. I think
>> eventually Max will have a pretty decent track/sequence
>> interface, hopefully this "codevelopment" will speed things up.
>>
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
> I'd like to switch to Live, but the midi editing is pretty weak, as  
> Anthony has stated.  Cubase does it much better in my not so humble  
> opinion.
not good enough to justify the huge pain it is ; )
seriously, there is room in max land for something like this. i  
really really hate cubase, live has it's strength but to loopy for me  
too.
i use tracktion, quick and easy.


Now that 5 is almost here and we're pretty sure that nothing in it is a direct result of the C74/Ableton partnership I've been thinking about what the fruits of this partnership could be.

One idea I had was if Max 5's Presentation Mode could somehow be made to work in real time in Live so that the current presentation you have for your patch will show up as a standard plugin within Live. The idea being that it would be like having a VST/AU in Live that can be altered at the most basic level in Max but also auditioned in your sequencer. Is this a fantasy or could something like this work?

Although that would be a nice feature, I would need to

own Live in order for that to be helpful. A much nicer

development would be for Ableton to release a "Live Lite" 

track interface object that I could use in Max.

Although that would be a nice feature, I would need to
own Live in order for that to be helpful. A much nicer
development would be for Ableton to release a "Live Lite" 
track interface object that I could use in Max.


...or C74 could release a plugin version of Max that could be put on a track? Kind of the opposite of your idea. I like these ideas!

My suspicion is that the real end result will be new plugins for Live, which is fine, but I see a lot of potential for "out-of-the-box" thinking with this partnership.

If Cycling is good at anything its out of the box thinking :)

On Apr 21, 2008, at 3:06 PM, David Huff wrote:

> My suspicion is that the real end result will be new plugins for 

> Live, which is fine, but I see a lot of potential for "out-of-the- 

> My suspicion is that the real end result will be new plugins for  
> Live, which is fine, but I see a lot of potential for "out-of-the- 
> box" thinking with this partnership.


But can't we already do this with pluggo?

Maybe we can get "Live lite" and they can get 

"Pluggo lite". I think they would be getting the

Maybe we can get "Live lite" and they can get 
"Pluggo lite". I think they would be getting the
better deal.


But with pluggo you are limited by the function of the VST you create. I'm talking about a "mini-Max" that could be loaded as a plugin in Live.

I have only been working with max for a year now and with the things I've already done combining max and live I really start to drool over the thought of having a malleable plugin inside live that one can tailor to their needs just like they would in max.

To be quite honest with you, there is really nothing 

that Live has to offer (the interface that is) that 

I could not build myself in Max. It would be a lot of 

work but there is nothing that stops me. So I really 

don't know what it is Ableton would be bringing to the table...

To be quite honest with you, there is really nothing 
that Live has to offer (the interface that is) that 
I could not build myself in Max. It would be a lot of 
work but there is nothing that stops me. So I really 
don't know what it is Ableton would be bringing to the table...


Quote: Anthony Palomba wrote on Mon, 21 April 2008 21:17

> To be quite honest with you, there is really nothing 

> that Live has to offer (the interface that is) that 

> I could not build myself in Max. It would be a lot of 

> work but there is nothing that stops me. So I really 

> don't know what it is Ableton would be bringing to the table...

Quote: Anthony Palomba wrote on Mon, 21 April 2008 21:17
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> To be quite honest with you, there is really nothing 
> that Live has to offer (the interface that is) that 
> I could not build myself in Max. It would be a lot of 
> work but there is nothing that stops me. So I really 
> don't know what it is Ableton would be bringing to the table...
>
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Quote: Anthony Palomba wrote on Tue, 22 April 2008 03:17

How about Ableton's time stretching engine?

Quote: Anthony Palomba wrote on Tue, 22 April 2008 03:17
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> To be quite honest with you, there is really nothing 
> that Live has to offer (the interface that is) that 
> I could not build myself in Max. It would be a lot of 
> work but there is nothing that stops me. So I really 
> don't know what it is Ableton would be bringing to the table...
>
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Quote: Anthony Palomba wrote on Mon, 21 April 2008 19:17

Quote: Anthony Palomba wrote on Mon, 21 April 2008 19:17
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> To be quite honest with you, there is really nothing 
> that Live has to offer (the interface that is) that 
> I could not build myself in Max. It would be a lot of 
> work but there is nothing that stops me. So I really 
> don't know what it is Ableton would be bringing to the table...
>
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