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Do you need automating FXpansion Guru?

Oct 04 2010 | 7:39 pm

This is a kind of a questionaire: would you use a MFL device with proper automation of FXpansion Guru?

Last month Computer Magazine published a (crippled) version of Guru. But interestingly registrees of that had the opportunity to upgrade to the full Guru for about € 90 last weekend.

I suppose the days of Guru are counted now, like those of DR-008.

But Guru is not just another drum sequencer. It has capabilities to slice loops and let you use the hits for your own rhythms in a very easy way.

Live and Guru are no good friends helas. Live redirects all MIDI channels to channel 1, while Guru needs all 16 channels. Guru doesn’t send the usual VSTi parameter-touched information so Live can’t pick up this for it’s automation layout. Besides, Guru uses MIDI for a full set of automation, the VSTi parameters only cover a subset of controls.

I’m considering to create a MFL device that sports Guru in a vst~. It will also use the jMidi library of Hans Hübner (Hans agrees to this, as long as his name is mentioned). This means I can overcome the MIDI channel issue.

The device would be geared toward Novation Nocturn and Trigger Finger, but it could use Korg nanoKontrol (or any MIDI device with a similar layout) instead of the Nocturn.

But before I go on and spend a lot of time I ask the community, you, are there other people who would use this device? Or have you found a solution for matching Guru and Live already?

Please respond!

Oct 04 2010 | 10:43 pm

I use GURU religiously, but in Logic. I love it–it is pretty special. If I used Live (which I don’t at this time) I would be all over it, personally.

Oct 05 2010 | 8:52 am

I received the GURU special offer today. I do not use it but I am keen on a vst version. I found a midi controller patch of UA33 here
Well, go for it if you have a personal use! Other will just fit it in somewhere I suppose.

Oct 05 2010 | 10:56 pm

to get around the channel limitations i use multiple instances of guru in live ,each on it’s own track. guru has unique autoslice algorhytms. i would
check out your device.

Oct 06 2010 | 12:23 am

what about writing a drum sequencer right in maxmsp.

Oct 06 2010 | 10:55 am

Thanks for your reactions. I found that Guru sends no feedback when using MIDI automation. But that is the only way to control the slice editor. This means I can’t use the LEDs of the Nocturn for visual feedback of what your doing. This is a major drawback.

I’ve found a basic beat slicer on this forum at It was written by Nao Tokai and converted to Max by Volker Böhm. The website of Nao Tokai is closed now. I’ve converted it to Max for Live and enclose it with this posting. It’s an instrument. There is MIDI support from note C1 and up the number of slices.

I think this is interesting enough to try out some beat slicing for my own, thanks for Roman Thilenius for his suggestion.

Nov 07 2010 | 4:25 pm

The beatslicer has kept me busy in my free time in the last weeks. This has resulted in a first release of a basic device. I have a lot of plans for improvements. You can download the Mentat Slice Drummer now at

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