jston

When dealing with numerical tags on files the folder object seems to only look at the first character and orders the file/append output accordingly, for instance the file group:

is this by design? is there a arg i can pass to get a strict numerical order? 

When dealing with numerical tags on files the folder object seems to only look at the first character and orders the file/append output accordingly, for instance the file group:
1.jpg
2.jpg
110.jpg
comes out like this:
1.jpg
110.jpg
2.jpg
is this by design? is there a arg i can pass to get a strict numerical order? 
what the deal?
i upgraded so this is in max 5 
thanks in advance,
jston


folder-object-file-ordering-bug

Quote: jston wrote on Wed, 18 June 2008 22:28

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It's doing alphanumeric ordering. Sort of like alphabetical order but where numbers and symbols are treated like letters and have a specific order in the alphabet.

The "letter" 1 *always* comes before 2, so 11 or 1-anything comes before 2. Just like "aa" comes before "b". Actually the term "letter" is misleading, because everything is a number to a computer. Anyway... get the idea?

Definitely not what we want in a lot of cases, but that's how computers work by default. I don't think you can change the behavior in Max.

Quote: jston wrote on Wed, 18 June 2008 22:28
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> is this by design?  ... what the deal?

Definitely not what we want in a lot of cases, but that's how computers work by default. I don't think you can change the behavior in Max.


This is just how computers order things -- poke around on your machine 

& you'll see any set of files the designers want in a particular order 

On Jun 19, 2008, at 1:28, justin downs wrote:

> When dealing with numerical tags on files the folder object seems to 

> only look at the first character and orders the file/append output 

> accordingly, for instance the file group:

> is this by design? is there a arg i can pass to get a strict 

This is just how computers order things -- poke around on your machine  
& you'll see any set of files the designers want in a particular order  
to have leading zeros:

>
> When dealing with numerical tags on files the folder object seems to  
> only look at the first character and orders the file/append output  
> accordingly, for instance the file group:
> 1.jpg
> 2.jpg
> 110.jpg
> comes out like this:
> 1.jpg
> 110.jpg
> 2.jpg
> is this by design? is there a arg i can pass to get a strict  
> numerical order?
> what the deal?
> i upgraded so this is in max 5
> thanks in advance,
> jston


I've got a rack of midi synthesizers and I'd like to make all the synths 

in the rack available to either of two computers. I have no need to 

access the synths simultaneously from both computers; only to be able to 

route either of the computers to any device in the rack. The obvious 

solution would be to use a midi patchbay, but no one seems to make them 

Can anyone suggest a solution other than to try to find a used MIDI 

I've got a rack of midi synthesizers and I'd like to make all the synths 
in the rack available to either of  two computers.  I have no need to 
access the synths simultaneously from both computers; only to be able to 
route either of the computers to any device in the rack.  The obvious 
solution would be to use a midi patchbay, but no one seems to make them 
any more.

Can anyone suggest a solution other than to try to find a used MIDI 
patchbay?

-- 
Jon Hallstrom
Dept. of Music, Colby College
5674 Mayflower Hill
Waterville, ME  04901
207-859-5674


Surely any balanced (3 conductor) patch bay or

switcher will do - you'll just have to make up some

midi to bantam/XLR/stereo jack leads. to connect to

> I've got a rack of midi synthesizers and I'd like to

> in the rack available to either of two computers. 

> access the synths simultaneously from both

> route either of the computers to any device in the

> solution would be to use a midi patchbay, but no one

> Can anyone suggest a solution other than to try to

Surely any balanced (3 conductor) patch bay or
switcher will do - you'll just have to make up some
midi to bantam/XLR/stereo jack leads. to connect to
it,
cheers
Roger

> I've got a rack of midi synthesizers and I'd like to
> make all the synths 
> in the rack available to either of  two computers. 
> I have no need to 
> access the synths simultaneously from both
> computers; only to be able to 
> route either of the computers to any device in the
> rack.  The obvious 
> solution would be to use a midi patchbay, but no one
> seems to make them 
> any more.
>
> Can anyone suggest a solution other than to try to
> find a used MIDI 
> patchbay?
>
> Jon
>
> -- 
> Jon Hallstrom
> Dept. of Music, Colby College
> 5674 Mayflower Hill
> Waterville, ME  04901
> 207-859-5674
>
>


>> I've got a rack of midi synthesizers and I'd like to

>> in the rack available to either of two computers.

>> access the synths simultaneously from both

>> route either of the computers to any device in the

>> solution would be to use a midi patchbay, but no one

>> Can anyone suggest a solution other than to try to

why not send midi from computer1 to computer2 and then to the rack?

>
>
>>  I've got a rack of midi synthesizers and I'd like to
>>  make all the synths
>>  in the rack available to either of  two computers.
>>  I have no need to
>>  access the synths simultaneously from both
>>  computers; only to be able to
>>  route either of the computers to any device in the
>>  rack.  The obvious
>>  solution would be to use a midi patchbay, but no one
>>  seems to make them
>>  any more.
>>
>>  Can anyone suggest a solution other than to try to
>>  find a used MIDI
>  > patchbay?

kasper
-- 
  Kasper T. Toeplitz
noise, composition, bass, computer
http://www.sleazeArt.com

> Can anyone suggest a solution other than to try to find a used MIDI 

> Can anyone suggest a solution other than to try to find a used MIDI 
> patchbay?

How about a 2 to 1 MIDI Merger.
http://www.midisolutions.com/prodmrg.htm

Thanks guys that makes unfortunate sense. 

Thanks guys that makes unfortunate sense.  
jston


you can make small patch that routes the midi from one computer to the

other, then you can choose which synth you want to send where in a

i can send a patch i use if you want... i just don't have it with me now

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Rick Williamson wrote:

>> Can anyone suggest a solution other than to try to find a used MIDI

you can make small patch that routes the midi from one computer to the
other, then you can choose which synth you want to send where in a
'host-client' - like relationship

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Rick Williamson  wrote:
>
>> Can anyone suggest a solution other than to try to find a used MIDI
>> patchbay?
>
> How about a 2 to 1 MIDI Merger.
> http://www.midisolutions.com/prodmrg.htm
>
> Rick Williamson
>


It sounds like what you're talking about is routing data from Max to Max 

. What I (or rather my students) need to be able to do is to access 

the synths from any application in a fairly straightforward manner.

I ultimately solved the problem by putting TRS plugs on one end of some 

MIDI cables and then used them to set up patchpoints between each 

computer's midi interface and the synths via my patchbay. Now my 

students can simply patch between a computer and any of the synths. 

It's rather lo-tech, but it works nicely.

I am however curious to know how you route the data between the 

computers (ethernet?) and would therefore love to look at the patch even 

> you can make small patch that routes the midi from one computer to the

> other, then you can choose which synth you want to send where in a

> i can send a patch i use if you want... i just don't have it with me now

> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Rick Williamson wrote:

>>> Can anyone suggest a solution other than to try to find a used MIDI

It sounds like what you're talking about is routing data from Max to Max 
.  What  I (or rather my students) need to be able to do is to access 
the synths from any application in a fairly straightforward manner. 

I ultimately solved the problem by putting TRS plugs on one end of some 
MIDI cables and then used them to set up patchpoints between each 
computer's midi interface and the synths via my patchbay. Now my 
students can simply patch between a computer and any of the synths.    
It's rather lo-tech, but it works nicely.

I am however curious to know how you route the data between the 
computers (ethernet?) and would therefore love to look at the patch even 
though the other problem is solved.

carey dodge wrote:
> you can make small patch that routes the midi from one computer to the
> other, then you can choose which synth you want to send where in a
> 'host-client' - like relationship
>
> i can send a patch i use if you want... i just don't have it with me now
>
> Cheers,
>
> carey
>
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Rick Williamson  wrote:
>
>>> Can anyone suggest a solution other than to try to find a used MIDI
>>> patchbay?
>>>
>> How about a 2 to 1 MIDI Merger.
>> http://www.midisolutions.com/prodmrg.htm
>>
>> Rick Williamson
>>
>>
>
>

Here is the patch. It is Max4 but should open fine in Max5. It is

rough but did what i needed it to do. It was also an audio tester for

a show i was working on just to make sure all the hardware was working

ship-shape before the show. It also has some idiosyncrasies as i was

automating parameters with midi knobs and faders on the fly but I

think you can understand the basic principal. You could set it up

more intuitively with a better GUI, some more gate and/or route

objects or use a matrix object and have all your midi devices

accessible to any program using max as a virtual hub or router. One

thing you have to always be aware of is that your midi setup in max

can cause some confusion especially if you start using presets and

On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 2:21 AM, Jon Hallstrom wrote:

> It sounds like what you're talking about is routing data from Max to Max .

> What I (or rather my students) need to be able to do is to access the

> synths from any application in a fairly straightforward manner.

> I ultimately solved the problem by putting TRS plugs on one end of some MIDI

> cables and then used them to set up patchpoints between each computer's midi

> interface and the synths via my patchbay. Now my students can simply patch

> between a computer and any of the synths. It's rather lo-tech, but it

> I am however curious to know how you route the data between the computers

> (ethernet?) and would therefore love to look at the patch even though the

>> you can make small patch that routes the midi from one computer to the

>> other, then you can choose which synth you want to send where in a

>> i can send a patch i use if you want... i just don't have it with me now

>> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Rick Williamson 

>>>> Can anyone suggest a solution other than to try to find a used MIDI

Here is the patch.  It is Max4 but should open fine in Max5.  It is
rough but did what i needed it to do.  It was also an audio tester for
a show i was working on just to make sure all the hardware was working
ship-shape before the show.  It also has some idiosyncrasies as i was
automating parameters with midi knobs and faders on the fly but I
think you can understand the basic principal.  You could set it up
more intuitively with a better GUI, some more gate and/or route
objects or use a matrix object and have all your midi devices
accessible to any program using max as a virtual hub or router.  One
thing you have to always be aware of is that your midi setup in max
can cause some confusion especially if you start using presets and
such.

On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 2:21 AM, Jon Hallstrom  wrote:
> Thanks Carey,
>
> It sounds like what you're talking about is routing data from Max to Max .
>  What  I (or rather my students) need to be able to do is to access the
> synths from any application in a fairly straightforward manner.
> I ultimately solved the problem by putting TRS plugs on one end of some MIDI
> cables and then used them to set up patchpoints between each computer's midi
> interface and the synths via my patchbay. Now my students can simply patch
> between a computer and any of the synths.    It's rather lo-tech, but it
> works nicely.
>
> I am however curious to know how you route the data between the computers
> (ethernet?) and would therefore love to look at the patch even though the
> other problem is solved.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jon
>
> carey dodge wrote:
>>
>> you can make small patch that routes the midi from one computer to the
>> other, then you can choose which synth you want to send where in a
>> 'host-client' - like relationship
>>
>> i can send a patch i use if you want... i just don't have it with me now
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> carey
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Rick Williamson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone suggest a solution other than to try to find a used MIDI
>>>> patchbay?
>>>>
>>>
>>> How about a 2 to 1 MIDI Merger.
>>> http://www.midisolutions.com/prodmrg.htm
>>>
>>> Rick Williamson
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jon Hallstrom
> Dept. of Music, Colby College
> 5674 Mayflower Hill
> Waterville, ME  04901
> 207-859-5674
>
>


oh yeah and i routed the data via midi and audio cables but you could

just as easily route it with netsend, netreceive or maxhole or osc

oh yeah and i routed the data via midi and audio cables but you could
just as easily route it with netsend, netreceive or maxhole or osc
or...

folder object: file ordering bug?