Ben Bracken

We're very excited to announce the release of 

. We are sharing this news here first, so you are among the very first to know. A lot of great work has gone into this release, and we hope you enjoy it as much as we do!

Note that Max 7 will not affect your current install of Max.

We're very excited to announce the release of Max 7. We are sharing this news here first, so you are among the very first to know. A lot of great work has gone into this release, and we hope you enjoy it as much as we do!

To learn more and download Max 7, go to: 

Note that Max 7 will not affect your current install of Max.


max-7-released

nice! and the new subscription modes so cool for teaching!

Great news! I seem to be getting an error on first open in the Max window though.

It says: "jit.avf.engine: unable to load object bundle executable" and then a few more lines saying the library was not loaded and finally "Reason:image not found".

I'm running Mac OS 10.6.8 on a Quad-Core Intel Mac Pro. (2010-2012 model I think).

Looking forward to testing out all of the new bits.

Mac 10.6.8 isn't officially supported at this time. Here are the System Requirements:

https://cycling74.com/downloads/sys-reqs/

Running OSX 10.9.5 on an iMac (2 years old). I've tested the new Max 7 against about 15

modeling and simulation patches created in v. 6.1.9. Everything seems fine so far. Good

news! For others: note that Max 7 on the Mac is located under /Users/Shared rather than

Running OSX 10.9.5 on an iMac (2 years old). I've tested the new Max 7 against about 15
modeling and simulation patches created in v. 6.1.9. Everything seems fine so far. Good
news! For others: note that Max 7 on the Mac is located under /Users/Shared rather than
in /Applications.


I would expect that it's only under /Users/Shared if you put it there. I put mine in /Applications/Max7

Same app build in Max 6.1.8 and Max 7: Max6 = 116.1 Mb, Max7 = 362,8

Please provide info about how to tweak the contents of the various resource folders

Important is only to know what don't should be deleted at all.

Bad news here:
Same app build in Max 6.1.8 and Max 7: Max6 = 116.1 Mb, Max7 = 362,8

Please provide info about how to tweak the contents of the various resource folders
Important is only to know what don't should be deleted at all.
Thanks
Italo


Mac 10.6.8 isn’t officially supported at this time. Here are the System Requirements:

just a quick information for those who still are on 10.6 (believe me, it's not always by choice) :

What do you mean by "at this time" ? Is it something that is on a to-do list ? or more "never gonna happen" ?

By the way : Thanks for the work ! Works nice for me on 10.6.8 for the moment.

Hi Ben,
just a quick information for those who still are on 10.6 (believe me, it's not always by choice) :
What do you mean by "at this time" ? Is it something that is on a to-do list ? or more "never gonna happen" ?

Mac 10.6.8 isn’t officially supported at this time.

:(( this is exactly why i asked that on the forum a while ago : 

https://cycling74.com/forums/max-7-mac-os-10/

 - a word from a c74 official would have been nice :/

Bleh, whatever. I understand how hindering this backward compatibility can be, and know that Apple are more to blame here.

:(( this is exactly why i asked that on the forum a while ago : https://cycling74.com/forums/max-7-mac-os-10/ - a word from a c74 official would have been nice :/
Bleh, whatever. I understand how hindering this backward compatibility can be, and know that Apple are more to blame here.


The demise of the separate runtime and requirement to use it for external debugging has me singing and dancing!

Congrats C74! I'm most stoked about the Jitter improvements.

Btw, did you hire Ableton's web designer? ;)

[jit.grab] and [jit.movie] are great! The same pitch shifting inside MSP objects. Actually I see a lot of great tweaks and features! I'm just diving into new Max I really love it.

- lack of more sophisticated support for text rendering in Jitter (the old [jit.gl.text2d] and [jit.gl.text3d] are rather "raw" from my perspective)

- no support for any modern CV library (OpenCV or something)

Moreover I'm not sure about default white-text-on-black-background color scheme. For me it's a bit against ergonomics.

It's sad to see there's still no support for DPI scaling on Windows. I have a 4k resolution 15.6' screen and Max is still a pile of blurry pixels.

(on 10.6.8 it works, have that jit.avf thing as stated above, and a couple other bugs. i would happily provide bug reports, if c74 is interested :) )

Yeah, "unofficially" I believe that most things should work under 10.6.8 at this point, but we likely won't be committing to "official" support. But for the adventurous renegades, you can ignore that error message (and/or delete the jit.avf.engine which won't load under 10.6), and use the qt video engine as set in the Max preferences.

What I'd recommend is setting up a relevant forum thread identifying your issues and/or a user generated WIKI entry for those of you looking to support one another. Keep in mind that we likely won't be responding to any 10.6.8 reported issues, and won't be putting any effort into solving 10.6.8 specific bugs.

With Apple no longer supporting 10.6, and us being pushed by Apple into newer APIs, IDEs, etc. maintaining this kind of legacy support requires more work than we feel it is worth at this point and is something won't be doing in the future. And at some point in the Max 7 lifespan, we might really break things for 10.6.8 whereas many things may work without issue currently.

Thanks for making subscription an option, btw - not keen on this trend for adopting a 100% subscription model.

There goes my weekend ;)
Thanks for making subscription an option, btw - not keen on this trend for adopting a 100% subscription model.


The new C'74 site & Max/MSP GUI look AWESOME! Thanks for all the hard work! My evenings are now occupied ;-)

The new C'74 site & Max/MSP GUI look AWESOME!  Thanks for all the hard work!  My evenings are now occupied ;-)


First half-hour with Max7 (x64 build on Win7)

1. The 'Tour' fails on loading several assets for jit.playlist (namely track1.mov, chickens.mp4, dust.mp4, sunflower.mp4).

All these assets could be tracked down to C:\Program Files\Cycling '74\Max 7\resources\media\jitter but that's not in the File Preferences.

2. Not a bug but, related to (1) above I noticed there's a C:\Program Files\Cycling '74\Max 7\examples folder like there used to be, but it looks like there's a duplicate at C:\ProgramData\Max 7\Examples which is what the File Preferences points at. Should there be?

3. Every time I launch Max7, it tells me it thinks it crashed the last time I ran it, and offers the 'Recover Edits' dialogue. Nothing crashed, but if I click 'Yes', it doesnt recover anything. Its in demo mode, so I couldnt save anything in the first place. Nevertheless, if I say 'yes' or 'no', and no matter how I close the application, next time it'll do the same thing.

I did try deleting %appdata%\Cycling '74\Max 7 Preferences Files and the next time it launched, it ran the Tour demo on startup without whinging, but every subsequent launch was back to the 'Recover Edits' stage.

4. Two Max.exe instances turn up in the Task Managr when Max7 launches. When Max7 shuts down, the windows close, and one instance of max.exe closes, but the other takes several seconds to close. If Max is launched again while that remaining instance still exists, the 'new' two will close at the same time it does; Max wont open until all previous instances are closed, which is actually a bit of a PITA.

1.  The 'Tour' fails on loading several assets for jit.playlist (namely track1.mov, chickens.mp4, dust.mp4, sunflower.mp4).
All these assets could be tracked down to C:\Program Files\Cycling '74\Max 7\resources\media\jitter but that's not in the File Preferences.

2. Not a bug but, related to (1) above I noticed there's a C:\Program Files\Cycling '74\Max 7\examples folder like there used to be, but it looks like there's a duplicate at C:\ProgramData\Max 7\Examples which is what the File Preferences points at.  Should there be?

3.  Every time I launch Max7, it tells me it thinks it crashed the last time I ran it, and offers the 'Recover Edits' dialogue.  Nothing crashed, but if I click 'Yes', it doesnt recover anything.  Its in demo mode, so I couldnt save anything in the first place. Nevertheless, if I say 'yes' or 'no', and no matter how I close the application, next time it'll do the same thing.
I did try deleting %appdata%\Cycling '74\Max 7 Preferences Files and the next time it launched, it ran the Tour demo on startup without whinging, but every subsequent launch was back to the 'Recover Edits' stage.

4.  Two Max.exe instances turn up in the Task Managr when Max7 launches.  When Max7 shuts down, the windows close, and one instance of max.exe closes, but the other takes several seconds to close.  If Max is launched again while that remaining instance still exists, the 'new' two will close at the same time it does; Max wont open until all previous instances are closed, which is actually a bit of a PITA.


Will there be, or is there, a 64-bit version of Max 7? I'm trying to use Max 7 in Live and I get the error "Max/MSP has the wrong architecture".

Max 7 is 64-bit capable. On Windows, there are two versions of the app, one for each architecture. On OSX, there's a switch in the Get Info... dialog from the Finder to enable 64-bits. It's off by default.

Yaniki, Check out jit.gl.text (no 2d/3d in the name).

Justin, yes, there is a 32 and 64 bit version on Windows, and on Mac, you can select this option in the info pane on the Application in the Finder. If you have Max running already in one arch, you will need to quit and either change the arch in the Info pane, or start it up by clicking on 'edit' in a MFL device.

sxa, some elements of the tour are not supported on Win x64 at this time. Re duplications, yes, this is expected. Re: workspace restore, can you send along an email to support @ cycling74 dot com? Please send your Max 7 preferences so we can take a look. We are still looking at ways of quitting more gracefully. Feel free to include this info in your email to support.

win 64 users are recommended to follow the instructions here, to support playback of factory mp4 files (although not mov files):

https://www.ableton.com/en/articles/live-64-windows-video-playback/

specifically, install the Haali Media Splitter, and ffdshow codec pack components.

win 64 users are recommended to follow the instructions here, to support playback of factory mp4 files (although not mov files):
https://www.ableton.com/en/articles/live-64-windows-video-playback/

specifically, install the Haali Media Splitter, and ffdshow codec pack components.


1. Max 7 seems not be able to find the packages in ~/Documents/Max/packages/

2. The contrast of color scheme is too low. It's difficult to tell the inlets/outlets apart from the object unless you have mouse over the object.

Is this a soft launch? It smells like one. If so I'm excited to see what news may come after this.

place your Max 7 packages in ~/Documents/Max 7/Packages/

The new GUI is globally nice but it seems some rationalisation has occured. For instance it's not possible to set a different color for function object's points and segments anymore.

The  new GUI is globally nice but it seems some rationalisation has occured. For instance it's not possible to set a different color for function object's points and segments anymore.


Having control sliders within the object representing a VST or Audio Unit plug-in is a great idea. And the possibility to choose which ones to display and their order is even better.

No more Max folder. Only one package and opening it leads to a completely new landscape.

Where does one put his patchers and externals ? Does the concept of "collections" apply to these ?

Max 7.1 - Github integration? It would be impressive of the new File Browser could have a category that pulled directly from Github.

Where does one puts his patchers and externals ? Does the concept of "collections" apply to these ?

https://cycling74.com/forums/how-do-i-add-externals-in-max-7

 Where does one puts his patchers and externals ? Does the concept of "collections" apply to these ?

https://cycling74.com/forums/how-do-i-add-externals-in-max-7


Strange: there's still a "What's new in Max 6 ?" file in the documentation, but no "What's new in Max 7 ?"...

Thanks, Roald. We will be updating the documentation over time!

The playlist~ object shows great potential but it's not clear whether files are fully loaded into memory as with polybuffer~, partly preloaded or not preloaded at all.

Roald, playlist~ is based on sfplay~, so it is mostly reading from disk.

Patcher inspector:"Isolate Start and Stop of Patcher Audio": at last one can stop audio in one patcher without stopping it in the others. :-)

The new "complex warping" tab in groove~'s help file is worth a look, with its dedicated jsui interface.

Does the "JS Painter file" setting for GUI objects mean that javascript is more closely integrated into Max than before ?

To which extent will the new "Language" preference be used for ? User interface only ? Documentation also ? Will it be community-driven or will C74 provide packages from Afrikaans to Zulu ?

Max crashed during display of the patcher series opening automatically at first launch (don't know how to get back to it from second launch on to check again by the way). I was watching the "pitch & stretch" episode...

If I get it right, the introduction of styles totally eliminates the possibility of defining specific color schemes for every user interface object as it was possible before with the "object defaults" ?

This would be totally "Pas glop pas glop!"

Nope, you can have multi-object styles. Just change the objects you would like to change, select them all, then make a new style. You can then apply this to the patcher itself.

Even further extending this, you can make a template from a patcher with this style, then use it as your default template.

Where can I find additional information about the "Show CPU usage" function ? The documentation doesn't seem to know anything about it.

@larme, @roald: some info about file locations in Max 7 -- 

https://cycling74.com/forums/how-do-i-add-externals-in-max-7/

@larme, @roald: some info about file locations in Max 7 -- https://cycling74.com/forums/how-do-i-add-externals-in-max-7/


>sxa, some elements of the tour are not supported on Win x64 at this time.

Could I suggest that there be information in the patch which says so. Otherwise its somewhat disconcerting.

However, Ive now installed the 32bit version as well and it has its own issues.

1. Very sluggish to move from the 'The File Browser' page to the 'The playlist' page.

2. Quicktime on my system was installed fresh, as an up-to-date version as of today (QT 7.7.6) and rebooted before starting Max7 x86). Nevertheless, the 'The Playlist' page of the tour throws up the following warnings

>warning: Jitter thinks QT 7 is installed, but cannot load some QT 7 functions

>spigot~ and other QT 7 specific Jitter features will be disabled.

>check /WINDOWS/system32 for an out of date qtmlclient.dll, or try reinstalling QT

3. The 'The jit.playlist Object' page works, but throws up the following warnings

warning: Jitter needs QT 7.3 for OpenGL texture output

4. Hitting 'next' on the 'The jit.playlist Object' page, which should bring up the 'Pitch and Time Manipulation' page, crashes Max almost every time (Ive only got it to behave once in fact).

> Re: workspace restore, can you send along an email to support @ cycling74 dot com? Please send your Max 7 preferences so we can take a look.

Installing and running the 32bit version would appear to have resolved it for the 64-bit version, but if it does reoccur I will.

>We are still looking at ways of quitting more gracefully. Feel free to include this info in your email to support.

FWIW, both versions feel more sluggish to launch as well. There'll be a Max7 icon on the taskbar sat flagged as 'not responding' for a few seconds on startup, before any windows open up. Again, disconcerting.

I know this might be seen as nitpicking since its 'just' the Tour, but it does feel that this release of Max7 is a lot crankier on Windows than I remember of M6 and M5, and having the introductory demo of the new stuff throw up quite so many oddities (without even warning which stuff is not going to work on eg an x64 Windows) is a poor representation of Max7...

Could I suggest that there be information in the patch which says so.  Otherwise its somewhat disconcerting.

1.  Very sluggish to move from the 'The File Browser' page to the 'The playlist' page.
2.  Quicktime on my system was installed fresh, as an up-to-date version as of today (QT 7.7.6) and rebooted before starting Max7 x86).  Nevertheless, the 'The Playlist' page of the tour throws up the following warnings

>warning: Jitter thinks QT 7 is installed, but cannot load some QT 7 functions
>spigot~ and other QT 7 specific Jitter features will be disabled.
>check /WINDOWS/system32 for an out of date qtmlclient.dll, or try reinstalling QT

warning: Jitter needs QT 7.3 for OpenGL texture output
warning: Jitter needs QT 7.3 for OpenGL texture output
warning: Jitter needs QT 7.3 for OpenGL texture output

4. Hitting 'next' on the 'The jit.playlist Object' page, which should bring up the 'Pitch and Time Manipulation' page, crashes Max almost every time (Ive only got it to behave once in fact).  

> Re: workspace restore, can you send along an email to support @ cycling74 dot com? Please send your Max 7 preferences so we can take a look. 

Installing and running the 32bit version would appear to have resolved it for the 64-bit version, but if it does reoccur I will.    

FWIW, both versions feel more sluggish to launch as well.  There'll be a Max7 icon on the taskbar sat flagged as 'not responding' for a few seconds on startup, before any windows open up.  Again, disconcerting.  

I know this might be seen as nitpicking since its 'just' the Tour, but it does feel that this release of Max7 is a lot crankier on Windows than I remember of M6 and M5, and having the introductory demo of the new stuff throw up quite so many oddities (without even warning which stuff is not going to work on eg an x64 Windows) is a poor representation of Max7...


Cycling74 thank you for this mayor leap in jitter-land.

Deferred shading, multiple render targets, subpasses, a new video engine and it is very performant as well!...

Wait, wait. I think I just fainted there for a bit.

Guys, this opens so many new possibilities you could simply not achieve in previeous Versions and puts Max back up on the radar. And you put in things like SSAO and DOF just for fun! Awesome!

Not to forget all the other great things like playlists, code snippets, easy pitch and time manipulation, and recovery from crashes! Whoo. (Well the last two things really remind me of Ableton and it is fantastic to find those feats back in Max7)

So, enough of the superlatives. I`ll go back, exploring.

This is so! awesome!
Cycling74 thank you for this mayor leap in jitter-land.
Deferred shading, multiple render targets, subpasses, a new video engine and it is very performant as well!...
Wait, wait. I think I just fainted there for a bit. 

Guys, this opens so many new possibilities you could simply not achieve in previeous Versions and puts Max back up on the radar. And you put in things like SSAO and DOF just for fun! Awesome!
Not to forget all the other great things like playlists, code snippets, easy pitch and time manipulation, and recovery from crashes! Whoo. (Well the last two things really remind me of Ableton and it is fantastic to find those feats back in Max7)

So, enough of the superlatives. I`ll go back, exploring.
But once again.. Thanks! Great work!


on win7 x64 i only checked in m4l for now. Many new things are very good but

- I can confirm that max is always starting with the "after crash" dialog even if it hasn't crashed

- I hope you got your reasons to remove the border from many ui objects, because that destroyed many device gui

- in a bigger patch (not huge) a patchcord end that is dragged has problems to follow the cursor, it's redrawing with max. 2 frames/s (the same thing works flawless in 6)

- dragging a patchcord above window limits is even worse, but this is the case since max6

- I can't believe that you replaced the wheel with another icon which can't be switched off

- I can't believe you don't offer a way to switch the toolbars off (comeon this is just implementing 2 additional options in preferences, my eyes are distracted by this)

- selecting the end of a patchcord is harder now (aim at 5x5 pixel dot next to the outlet/inlet dot)

It's like the release of 6: good changes at the core but unnecessary addition of eyecandy and design changes and forcing everyone to look at menus that many people never use. i'm interessted why things are not optional. O.

hey c74,
on win7 x64 i only checked in m4l for now. Many new things are very good but
- I can confirm that max is always starting with the "after crash" dialog even if it hasn't crashed
- I hope you got your reasons to remove the border from many ui objects, because that destroyed many device gui
- in a bigger patch (not huge) a patchcord end that is dragged has problems to follow the cursor, it's redrawing with max. 2 frames/s (the same thing works flawless in 6)
- dragging a patchcord above window limits is even worse, but this is the case since max6
- I can't believe that you replaced the wheel with another icon which can't be switched off
- I can't believe you don't offer a way to switch the toolbars off (comeon this is just implementing 2 additional options in preferences, my eyes are distracted by this)
- selecting the end of a patchcord is harder now (aim at 5x5 pixel dot next to the outlet/inlet dot)
It's like the release of 6: good changes at the core but unnecessary addition of eyecandy and design changes and forcing everyone to look at menus that many people never use. i'm interessted why things are not optional. O.


I know there are little triangles to hide the toolbars but it only changes the state for the current patcher.

it would make sense to have a global toolbar hidden state. O.

I know there are little triangles to hide the toolbars but it only changes the state for the current patcher.
it would make sense to have a global toolbar hidden state. O.


Amazing! This update is looking really good. The jitter playback in the New to Max 7 window is super smooth :D

No multi-touch support? Seriously, if Max is great to connect almost everything around you, why not let it use the features available right there on your machine?

The new max7 works and looks(especially for max 4 lovers) like a cham ;)

But in continue to previous answer of Jeremy i want to ask also..

Is there any way to change the global color of an object (eg comment box letters) for a patcher already exists?

For example if i use a global grey color for background of max (selected from object defaults) then

i cannot see clearly the grey letters inside comment boxes when i open max help files..

Is there any way to overide this and change the global color for the letters of comment boxes

(or i must apply a style every time i open a max help file)?

The new max7 works and looks(especially for max 4 lovers) like a cham ;)
But in continue to previous answer of Jeremy i want to ask also..
Is there any way to change the global color of an object (eg comment box letters) for a patcher already exists?
For example if i use a global grey color for background of max (selected from object defaults) then
i cannot see clearly the grey letters inside comment boxes when i open max help files..
Is there any way to overide this and change the global color for the letters of comment boxes
(or i must apply a style every time i open a max help file)?


Epatrico, it do's have it, its called a tablet and Mira.

Works like a charm, loaded up 20 older huge patches and not one crash or bug !

Epatrico, it do's have it, its called a tablet and Mira.
Works like a charm, loaded up 20 older huge patches and not one crash or bug !
sweeeet !


I get the impression some people are having a difficult time with the color schemes. My recommendation for Cycling74 is to package some more color schemes with high contrast in the 7.1 update. Personally I'm fine with it all but it may help others.

I get the impression some people are having a difficult time with the color schemes. My recommendation for Cycling74 is to package some more color schemes with high contrast in the 7.1 update.  Personally I'm fine with it all  but it may help others.


Thanks for the comment. Yes, I know Mira. It's great, sweet indeed. I've used it for an installation last year in two different opportunities.

But that's not the same. I don't own an iPad, I don't want to buy one and it's a separate device. I don't need to hook up something else to my computer if I have a great FHD multi-touch screen on my laptop.

Thanks for the comment. Yes, I know Mira. It's great, sweet indeed. I've used it for an installation last year in two different opportunities. 

But that's not the same. I don't own an iPad, I don't want to buy one and it's a separate device. I don't need to hook up something else to my computer if I have a great FHD multi-touch screen on my laptop.


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