This is the kind of synth I’m not keen on (neverland synth). Its obviously quite accomplished but FM with a load of reverb isn’t my cup of tea. I guess if you need this sound you can just pick it apart.

What were we looking at doing? Some kind of modular thing? An Absynth copy? I guess High quality waveforms to begin with, some stereo jazz, pitch drift (I like this but I imagine some don’t), Waveshaping?

There may well have to be a "Max Native Synth Part III" thread, as it seems the design concept is not yet formulated in this one. After closely following the two related threads, can I suggest that a broad design concept and scope is first established. The ‘build it’ thread can then be used to address issues of DSP economy, GUI etc. A critique of the 2 synths mentioned above is a good place to start.

Perhaps a shopping list of requirements might inspire us too:
user-defined wave shapes including user samples and quantity;
fixed but selectable synthesis algorithms (granular, AM, FM…);
user-defined LFO shapes and quantity;
LP, BP HP, notch etc;
freely assignable modulation algorithms;
blah blah blah……..
Brendan

When it comes to DSP coding for efficiency and power I usually start to feel out of my depth. I can build these things but not well. Usually that’s ok because it is just me using the patch and I know where the patch is kind of hanging and don’t do that or else this happens. I would be embarrassed to put up patches when I see the strength and elegance of some patches. Mine are usually kludges from the ground up. :)

I did get inspired though and built a simple little thing that has lots of filter slopes, a few allpass~ here and there to taste, a little fluctuation, bits of tanh~ and some distortion and basically just messed about trying to get it to sound nice. It turned out to be a cheap and nasty little monosynth that looks like good fun to use with a touchscreen. It doesn’t sound fantastic but its not dead. It doesn’t have a lot of functionality but it has enough to be fun and get a few ideas going. Next up is to make it polyphonic, add a sequencer that spits out chords or notes and start messing with Hilbert~ which sounds like a decent ringmod.

I am sorry I cannot contribute but I watch with eagerness and I am patching away kludge after kludge.

yes, all sounds good! i’d be interested to see whatever changes anyone makes…
i think i also made the UI more about dynamic routing than it needed to be(maybe i got too obsessed with saving on space)…
The drag routing makes more sense later(if you play with Massive, you’ll see why it’s useful)… having separate poly~s for the LFOs and ADSRs(eventually), the drag-routing will make it quick to throw mappings around(not just LFO to synth but any modulation source to any parameter …but yes, need to work on a status indicator to show when an LFO/ADSR/Mod-source is attached to a synth or any other parameter…)
(oh and about the detune, this is working for me but i think it is the UI that makes it difficult to use/understand(you have to choose the synth to which the detune will apply first(one or two), then apply it, then when you click a noteon/noteoff on that particular synth, you should hear it) definitely could use a whole UI do-over)
and although i think color is a subjective choice(i feel like i might drop into seizures when i see bright colors of max help files, and i feel more intimate with my instrument when the UI has a darker/colder color scheme as if, to me and probably only me, UI design is very much tied to mood lighting ;), of course you should change it to whatever you want as it’s good to see other’s tastes, to get a more wholistic sense of UI/design.

nothing writ in stone, so have a go and obliterate it if you need to.

[EDIT: @grizzle, you need never be embarassed to post any patches, i appreciate posted patches no matter what(they are always better than words, haha)... but i understand the reservation as I often have the same for the same exact reasons.]

@audiomatt

no worries, i just posted what i had time to do while i had time to do it… we can all take our time, i think…

@Hans and mesa.elech/tele

yes, MIDI inlets and audio outlets(basically, turning this into a reusable abstraction) is definitely where it should go. this is just the skeleton(in fact, there are many things which i put only for development like the presentation/patching mode switcher(hidden ubutton triggering thispatcher messages) and perhaps even the 2 UI keyboards since you could just as easily swap those out for a sequencer UI and real-MIDI/keyboard input).

hopefully, it’s easy for people to alter/add and if you post your mod here, people can keep adding to it(no matter how small or big the mod is).
whatever anyone thinks of, they should add it so the rest of us can see your vision and learn from your ideas(i just posted a skeleton to help with communal development of the idea).

wow, that is some great interface usage! And the sound-capabilities are extremely rich… going to study it a bit…

Thanks so much for sharing this!

This is stunning. A shining paradigm of the interface and capabilities this thread is pursuing.

Aus. Ge. Zeich. Net.

AudioMatt said it better than I did

@Hans

open nvrl_osc~.mxt, or nvrl_delay~.mxt to see inside

In Max go File/Open and browse to the folder where you put all the neverland abstractions; open any of the nvrl_*** files as a new patch.

doh! you beat me to it

oh man, this is incredible, Oli. Thank you so much for posting this. I am going to keep looking at the innards later, right now, having too much fun just playing it(so much to work with… truly beautiful).
Thanks again!

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Hi AudioMatt,

Your work looks amazing!!
I have a problem, I can’t find the object "Ltag" or "ltag" (not even in my Lobjects versions.)
Where can I find It? It would be possible to attach it here?

thanks a lot for sharing!

ps: I went to check it here but I didn’t find it :

http://artsites.ucsc.edu/EMS/music/research/lobjects.readme.html

10.40 at Paris. With two coffecups a "bit" better awake, ha, ha!!
Thanks

Yeah.. the sounds aren’t amazing. the main point is the matrix. the LTag object is included in the second post. (it’s a replacement for the ltag from lobjects which was taken out of the library somehow)

As for a midi controller, the kslider object works but doesn’t really do it justice. If you want, just open it up and hook up some stochastic stuff to it. the top patch is very simple.

check out the fantastic "klangpilot" by Johannes Kretz and Adam Siska:

http://www.mdw.ac.at/zimt/KLANGPILOT3.0.2.zip

Only drawback: requires a "iana~" licence from IRCAM.

* Alex harker and I have independantly come to the conclusion that a lot of the CPU usage seems to com from the mtof~ objects. The only cheaper method I can find is preloading a buffer with a note2frequency table and interpolating.

* I think if I take my patch and put thef filter after the oscilator, we’ll have the seed of what we’re looking for. I’m not totally convinced that we can pull off a virus but a subtractor might be doable!

* right now I’ve got too much personal stuff to deal with but in a few weeks i could give it a shot. My patch is simple enough that you could try it yourself. If you want a help file for my matrixrouong object I can make one.

here is my updated version…
this time i tried bpatcher, which kind looks and feels better.
also there is a standalone version of the x-y controller.
once again, open up neverlander_overview.mxt to see the general ideas.

@Hans Mittendorf
the new version has x-y input. also you can simply use [biquad~] and [filtergraph~] with [nvrl_ctrl] if you have specific things you want to add inbetween and after.

and here are my suggestions where to go…
* there should be a clear goal or specific desired detail provided by someone, (probably Hans would be the best candidate) because after Noob4Life’s synth and that Kasio synth, there seems very little that you can add. if you want to see more of absynth-like features, i’d like to know more about.
* compliments always feel good and peaceful, but a little criticism here and there won’t hurt and maybe helps this thread grow. i think one of the reasons the previous thread got so many attentions was someone was going at someone else and maybe this thread needs that type of energy…