Alexandra

i realize this has come up before this year, but i thought i'd check 

for an update now that the machines are more readily available...

could someone briefly share their experiences using the current 

i know it's supposed to boot, but how well does it really work, audio 

i realize this has come up before this year, but i thought i'd check  
for an update now that the machines are more readily available...

could someone briefly share their experiences using the current  
version of max/msp on intel-based macs?
i know it's supposed to boot, but how well does it really work, audio  
in particular?

maxmsp-on-intel-based-macs

i've only tested some old patches in maxmsp4.5.7-jitter1.5.2 under 

macos 10.4.6 in a PowerBook Pro Core Duo 2.0 GHz-1Gb RAM. i haven't 

built special patches to test properly the operation of max. other 

thing is that i've had no time to install windows on it. perhaps 

max runs better, as has been suggested before here.

1. mxj doesn't work because JVM can't be created

2. about msp, my perception is that it runs pretty much faster in a 

pbG4 1.5 GHz-768 Mb RAM under macos 10.4.6

3. about jitter, i believe that some things run faster. other things 

doesn't work at all. not shure, about this : it's only a feeling.

4. net communications are very difficult. net mxj objects doesn't 

work and otudp doesn't instantiate at all. the only way i've tested 

to send and receive data to and from a remote computer is the couple 

(netsend, netreceive) by olaf Mattes. i'd say it works properly with 

the restriction that only a port can be opened. when a new port is 

opened by another instance, the old port is closed.

i've only tested some old patches  in maxmsp4.5.7-jitter1.5.2 under  
macos 10.4.6 in a PowerBook Pro Core Duo 2.0 GHz-1Gb RAM. i haven't  
built special patches to test properly the operation of max. other  
thing is that  i've had no time to install windows on it.  perhaps  
max runs better, as has been suggested before here.

0. it launches, indeed.
1. mxj doesn't work because JVM can't be created
2. about msp, my perception is that it runs pretty much faster in a  
pbG4 1.5 GHz-768 Mb RAM under macos 10.4.6
3. about jitter, i believe that some things run faster. other things  
doesn't work at all. not shure, about this : it's only a feeling.
4. net communications are very difficult. net mxj objects doesn't  
work and otudp doesn't instantiate at all. the only way i've tested  
to send and receive data to and from a remote computer is the couple  
(netsend, netreceive) by olaf Mattes. i'd say it works  properly with  
the restriction that only a port can be opened. when a new port is  
opened by another instance, the old port is closed.

I've had pretty much the same experience as jmb... MaxMSP works for me, but not Java. It seems about as fast as my 800 MHz titanium laptop was. Audio works. I would say it's a little less stable, as I have experienced crashes that are obviously related to Rosetta.

I'm certainly looking forward to the native version, but for now this will do.

Also, I had complete sucess booting into windows and installing Max there. That code is native, and runs quite a bit quicker.

I've had pretty much the same experience as jmb... MaxMSP works for me, but not Java.  It seems about as fast as my 800 MHz titanium laptop was.  Audio works.  I would say it's a little less stable, as I have experienced crashes that are obviously related to Rosetta.

Also, I had complete sucess booting into windows and installing Max there.  That code is native, and runs quite a bit quicker.

With max/MSP 4.5.7 on a MacTel the audio stutters from time to time. You can still build your patches but I wouldn't consider it "safe" to use for concerts until the release of the 4.6 version.

Any experience with compiled standalones ? I could live with stutter during development if my patches were okay to use on stage.

same for me, i used max on intel for only a month but did not come 

across any particular problem. i dont use jitter though, no idea 

about that. it is definitely much faster.

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same for me, i used max on intel for only a month but did not come  
across any particular problem. i dont use jitter though, no idea  
about that. it is definitely much faster.

j.
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thanks for sharing your experiences everyone!

that should do for now, i'll go and order one of those new macbooks...

Just a question to those who have already purchased a mac book pro:

what about the are heavily discussed whining occuring on some of 

what about the are heavily discussed whining occuring on some of  
these machines? do you experience it?

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sound & media artist
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another weird behaviour is that the mouse pointer freezes very often. 

some extra activity on the pad revives it again. this happens when 

building a patch in max, but also when writing some text in text edit 

or other text editors. i don't know whether this is one of the 

jmbeal@telefonica.net +34932857046 696538403

Sonoscop/Orquesta del Caos. CCCB. Montalegre, 5. 08001 Barcelona. Spain

another weird behaviour is that the mouse pointer freezes very often.  
some extra activity on the pad revives it again. this happens when  
building a patch in max, but also when writing some text in text edit  
or other text editors. i don't know whether this is one of the  
rossetta effects or not

Jose Manuel Berenguer
jmbeal@telefonica.net +34932857046 696538403
jmberenguer@sonoscop.net  +34933064128
http://www.sonoscop.net/jmb/index.html
Sonoscop/Orquesta del Caos. CCCB. Montalegre, 5. 08001 Barcelona. Spain

well, it does make an annoying high pitch sound but then again, if 

you had 3 years old powerbook like my flatmate, you ll be swearing 

everytime you put it under-stress because it gets very loud.

it gets pretty hot as well compare to the powerbook.

well, it does make an annoying  high pitch sound but then again, if  
you had 3 years old powerbook like my flatmate, you ll be swearing  
everytime you put it under-stress because it gets very loud.

Yes, it's a screen inverter problem. I believe it is fixed in the ones they are currently shipping. Also, the right speaker is lame.

Yes, it's a screen inverter problem.  I believe it is fixed in the ones they are currently shipping.  Also, the right speaker is lame.

With that hot little black MacBook getting released I'm starting to get itchy for a MacTel laptop as well. Any word on how we're doing with the Universal port?

It's going quite well. Performance is much better than using Rosetta. 

However, as has been mentioned *before*, no announcements w/r/t 

specific date will be made, however it will definitely be available 

sometime this summer. Please refrain from inquiring further, until it 

has been released. Thank you for your patience.

It's going quite well. Performance is much better than using Rosetta.  
However, as has been mentioned *before*, no announcements w/r/t  
specific date will be made, however it will definitely be available  
sometime this summer. Please refrain from inquiring further, until it  
has been released. Thank you for your patience.

go to system preferences -> mouse & keyboard -> uncheck "ignore

banged my head against the keyboard for a few days until i found the

go to system preferences -> mouse & keyboard -> uncheck "ignore
accidental input"

banged my head against the keyboard for a few days until i found the
answer for that.

never could realize that the solution was so easy! was thinking on a 

hardware problem or something. what a bizarre feature!

never could realize that the solution was so easy! was thinking on a  
hardware problem or something. what a bizarre feature!

A colleague is using my software, but wants to buy an Intel Mac. This software has no audio, just (timing critical) midi, so stutters would be no problem for me, but what are the experiences with midi ? In Rosetta, can I still create a midi port for other applications ?

My MIDI-only standalone app works perfectly under Rosetta, including virtual port creation and MIDI I/O, but it eats a LOT of CPU while processing dense MIDI streams. 10% CPU on a 1GHz G4 powerbook equates to about 40% CPU on a 2GHz Macbook Pro. Yikes.

Jeez that's hungry. Just out of interest, how do you measure midi (or indeed, Max) CPU if it doesn't show up on the DSP status usage ?

/Utilities/Activity Monitor ?
cheers
Roger


I don't know how it works for mac, but what you got for CPU usage in Max 

and what you got for CPU usage in Task Manager on win is ABSOLUTELY not 

the same. Usage shown in Max is DSP only, while usage shown in Task 

Manager includes everything (especially UI/graphic stuff). Sometimes 

you're only 10% of DSP in Max, but your total Max usage should be at 80% 

!! It happends when you use two much graphic stuff, especially Waveform~...

I've started to write an external for windows to show the "REAL" cpu 

usage in Max, but, god, it's a pain in the ass, mixing C & C++. Not for 

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I don't know how it works for mac, but what you got for CPU usage in Max 
and what you got for CPU usage in Task Manager on win is ABSOLUTELY not 
the same. Usage shown in Max is DSP only, while usage shown in Task 
Manager includes everything (especially UI/graphic stuff). Sometimes 
you're only 10% of DSP in Max, but your total Max usage should be at 80% 
!! It happends when you use two much graphic stuff, especially Waveform~...

I've started to write an external for windows to show the "REAL" cpu 
usage in Max, but, god, it's a pain in the ass, mixing C & C++. Not for 
tomorrow.

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Quote: roger.carruthers wrote on Wed, 24 May 2006 21:17

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"top" in a terminal window (old habits die hard), which is probably what's running underneath Activity Monitor's GUI anyway.

Quote: roger.carruthers wrote on Wed, 24 May 2006 21:17
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> /Utilities/Activity Monitor ?

"top" in a terminal window (old habits die hard), which is probably what's running underneath Activity Monitor's GUI anyway.


I'll try top and see if it's a fit more finely tuned than Activity Monitor, which itself is better than nothing.

@f.e. keep coding ! You'll be sainted for it.

I'll try top and see  if it's a fit more finely tuned than Activity Monitor, which itself is better than nothing. 

@f.e. keep coding ! You'll be sainted for it.


so... uh... ARM based macs? what are the chances we get to keep the last 14 years of externals?

so... uh... ARM based macs?  what are the chances we get to keep the last 14 years of externals? 

looks like you'll be able to use 'Rosetta 2' to run Intel apps on Apple Silicon without any update:

https://www.macrumors.com/guide/apple-silicon/

(but i guess eventually, "macOS Big Sur is equipped with tools to help..." (<-😆 'macOS Big Sur' 🤣 HAHA! someday they'll just end up calling it 'macOS Bourgeois'😂)... and it's funny further down, the wording, "Developers can use the Xcode beta to get their apps up and running on Apple Silicon 

what are the chances we get to keep the last 14 years of externals?

looks like you'll be able to use 'Rosetta 2' to run Intel apps on Apple Silicon without any update:
https://www.macrumors.com/guide/apple-silicon/ 
(but i guess eventually, "macOS Big Sur is equipped with tools to help..." (<-😆 'macOS Big Sur' 🤣 HAHA! someday they'll just end up calling it 'macOS Bourgeois'😂)... and it's funny further down, the wording, "Developers can use the Xcode beta to get their apps up and running on Apple Silicon in just a matter of days" ..how many days? 😁)



In the last two great transition we lost a ton of amazing applications plugins and externals. I'm really scared for what happens to SPEAR since I don't know of any other application like it.

Yeah, the "matter of days" thing really killed me. programming is already such a deep time suck. I wish they'd just keep rosetta. Who is it hurting?

In the last two great transition we lost a ton of amazing applications plugins and externals.  I'm really scared for what happens to SPEAR since I don't know of any other application like it.   

Yeah, the "matter of days" thing really killed me.  programming is already such a deep time suck.  I wish they'd just keep rosetta.  Who is it hurting?

I am still using old max 3.5.9 & 3.6.2 on Mac OS9

Sometimes I get the job to port some old composers work

Than it's time to open that cabinet stuffed with dusty old

powerbooks & macbooks , SCSI harddrives and exotic cables and get

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I am still using old max 3.5.9 & 3.6.2 on Mac OS9
both hardware based and in emulation.
Sometimes I get the job to port some old composers work
from that time or update someones stuff.
Than it's time to open that cabinet stuffed with dusty old
powerbooks & macbooks , SCSI harddrives and exotic cables and get
a time travel 


audiomatt, what? you still dont have one? 

i am already halfway through to get OS9 working on the AMD-mini so that it will be useful for some serious audio work, too.

the cool kids use NVMe SSDs with their MacOS9! :)

when i saw the name Big Sur my first association was "sure, sure", followed by "Yes, Sire!", and i am not sure which i disagree more with.

"so... uh... ARM based macs?"

audiomatt, what? you still dont have one? 

i am already halfway through to get OS9 working on the AMD-mini so that it will be useful for some serious audio work, too.

"SCSI harddrives"

the cool kids use NVMe SSDs with their MacOS9! :)

"macOS Bourgeois"

when i saw the name Big Sur my first association was "sure, sure", followed by "Yes, Sire!", and i am not sure which i  disagree more with.
