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Mysterious little indicator

December 14, 2009 | 12:52 pm

When building M4L devices I sometimes get a little indicator (white or red) in the upper left corner of GUI elements. What does it mean exactly and how can it be cleared?

December 14, 2009 | 4:24 pm

the indicators usually mean that you have an automated parameter.


December 14, 2009 | 5:03 pm

That’s strange as I’m currently not using any automated parameters. However, the affected GUI elements are controlled in some way by send/receive messages. And the indicators magically appear somewhere in the process of editing and testing my devices.

December 14, 2009 | 5:05 pm

Can you give me a list of steps I can follow to reproduce?



December 14, 2009 | 5:40 pm

Unfortunately, so far I haven’t found a pattern to reproduce this behavior.
But I’ll investigate further and report any relevant findings.

Thanks for your interest.

December 15, 2009 | 5:10 pm


now I’m able to reproduce the behavior with an example (attached).

The device simply allows to start and stop Live’s transport.
Load it on a MIDI track and see how it works using its play button.

Now, press the *record* button in Live’s transport and start/stop again.
After this I’m getting the automation indicator on the play button!

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December 15, 2009 | 6:12 pm

Thanks for the example. As far as i can tell it happens because you use a "live" Max object which

– writes into Live´s Undo history and-
– acts like all other Live parameters when using the global record button, although in this case you won´t see a breakpoint envelope.

December 15, 2009 | 6:54 pm

I’m a bit confused. Are you saying the behavior is normal/intended?

December 15, 2009 | 7:26 pm

Yes, absolutely – it´s a feature.

December 15, 2009 | 7:43 pm

Thanks, I didn’t realize the effect of the global record button.
Is this explained somewhere in detail?

December 15, 2009 | 8:39 pm

Automation is covered in Live´s manual chapter 18.

December 15, 2009 | 11:36 pm

Ok, mystery solved.

December 15, 2009 | 11:38 pm

Christian is right that’s a feature, and the expected behavior from any parameter in Live. However in this specific example, I don’t think you want the live.text’s play object to be seen as an automatable parameter, if you set the parameter visibility to hidden in the object’s inspector it won’t be stored in the preset or the automation.

December 16, 2009 | 10:41 am

Thanks Emmanuel, that option is exactly what I need. I just didn’t expect that Live automates "everything" by default but basically appreciate the concept.

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