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unfortunately, it is not possible with hi :(

> don't know - but if you find out please keep us informed - i tried to do 

> so many times, on powerbooks (mac) - keeping the trackpad as "official" 

> mouse and an extra mouse as hi controller

You would have to write a special driver for the mouse.

Like that driver for the trackpad called FingaMIDI, which will do the

opposite: turn off the trackpad as pointer device, turn it into a Midi

controler and leave the mouse as such... (Unfortunately it doesn't work

On the other hand, the hi object will always track the mice, if you

design your patch in a way that you can control it without mouse, it

should be possible to track 6 mice with hi...

(best is to go to fullscreen and disable all menus...)

Kasper T Toeplitz schrieb:
> don't know - but if you find out please keep us informed - i tried to do 
> so many times, on powerbooks (mac) - keeping the trackpad as "official" 
> mouse and an extra mouse as hi controller

You would have to write a special driver for the mouse.
Like that driver for the trackpad called FingaMIDI, which will do the
opposite: turn off the trackpad as pointer device, turn it into a Midi
controler and leave the mouse as such... (Unfortunately it doesn't work
in Tiger anymore)

On the other hand, the hi object will always track the mice, if you
design your patch in a way that you  can control it without mouse, it
should be possible to track 6 mice with hi...
(best is to go to fullscreen and disable all menus...)

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>> - keeping the trackpad as "official" mouse and an extra mouse as 

>Like that driver for the trackpad called FingaMIDI

yeah, exactly - but since i find the track pad to be an expressive 

tool (much more than a mouse) i decided not to use fingamidi

now if only the rumours about the new trackpad being multi-touch were 

>>  - keeping the trackpad as "official" mouse and an extra mouse as 
>>hi controller
>
>
>Like that driver for the trackpad called FingaMIDI

yeah, exactly - but since i find the track pad to be an expressive 
tool (much more than a mouse) i decided not to use fingamidi

now if only the rumours about the new trackpad being multi-touch were 
true.......

kasper
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On 28-oct.-07, at 18:43, Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:

> yeah, exactly - but since i find the track pad to be an expressive 

> tool (much more than a mouse) i decided not to use fingamidi

The only Kernel Panic my Titanium had in 4 years was because of 

On 28-oct.-07, at 18:43, Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:
>
> yeah, exactly - but since i find the track pad to be an expressive 
> tool (much more than a mouse) i decided not to use fingamidi

The only Kernel Panic my Titanium had in 4 years was because of 
FingaMIDI. Beware ;-)

> now if only the/ rumours/ about the new trackpad being multi-touch were 

The Trackpad on my old Powerbook is for sure multitouch, as it 

distingushes between one finger or two finger movements.

It even passes something to hi: (watch the third value when using a 

Kasper T Toeplitz schrieb:
> now if only the/ rumours/ about the new trackpad being multi-touch were 
> true.......

The Trackpad on my old Powerbook is for sure multitouch, as it 
distingushes between one finger or two finger movements.

It even passes something to hi: (watch the third value when using a 
second finger...)

-- 
Stefan Tiedje------------x-------
--_____-----------|--------------
--(_|_ ----|-----|-----()-------
-- _|_)----|-----()--------------
----------()--------www.ccmix.com

>>now if only the/ rumours/ about the new trackpad being multi-touch 

>The Trackpad on my old Powerbook is for sure multitouch, as it 

>distingushes between one finger or two finger movements.

>It even passes something to hi: (watch the third value when using a 

really cool - ok, the hi numbers are not the same on my pbook, and 

the 2nd finger thing only works since i installed iScroll2

but this 3rd output could be something interesting!!!

>Kasper T Toeplitz schrieb:
>>now if only the/ rumours/ about the new trackpad being multi-touch 
>>were true.......
>
>The Trackpad on my old Powerbook is for sure multitouch, as it 
>distingushes between one finger or two finger movements.
>
>It even passes something to hi: (watch the third value when using a 
>second finger...)
>

really cool - ok, the hi numbers are not the same on my pbook, and 
the 2nd finger thing only works since i installed iScroll2

>>>now if only the/ rumours/ about the new trackpad being multi-touch 

>>The Trackpad on my old Powerbook is for sure multitouch, as it 

>>distingushes between one finger or two finger movements.

>>It even passes something to hi: (watch the third value when using a 

>really cool - ok, the hi numbers are not the same on my pbook, and 

>the 2nd finger thing only works since i installed iScroll2

>but this 3rd output could be something interesting!!!

Sure but it's not what i would call multitouch - when i use the 3rd 

value, the first 2 ones (the actual track pad) can not be moved at 

the same time - or can it on your pbook, Stefan??

>>
>>>now if only the/ rumours/ about the new trackpad being multi-touch 
>>>were true.......
>>
>>The Trackpad on my old Powerbook is for sure multitouch, as it 
>>distingushes between one finger or two finger movements.
>>
>>It even passes something to hi: (watch the third value when using a 
>>second finger...)
>>
>
>
>really cool - ok, the hi numbers are not the same on my pbook, and 
>the 2nd finger thing only works since i installed iScroll2
>
>but this 3rd output could be something interesting!!!

Sure but it's not what i would call multitouch - when i use the 3rd 
value, the first 2 ones (the actual track pad) can not be moved at 
the same time - or can it on your pbook, Stefan??

> Sure but it's not what i would call multitouch - when i use the 3rd 

> value, the first 2 ones (the actual track pad) can not be moved at the 

> same time - or can it on your pbook, Stefan??

I haven't looked at all into the meaning of these values or into a way 

to translate them. I just know that I can scroll if I put two fingers on 

Maybe its necessary to write a specific driver, if the values of hi 

don't deliver what you need. Its just an observation, that the hardware 

For my own taste the touchpad is way too small for me to consider it as 

important expresional input device, but I might change my mind if 

Kasper T Toeplitz schrieb:
> Sure but it's not what i would call multitouch - when i use the 3rd 
> value, the first 2 ones (the actual track pad) can not be moved at the 
> same time - or can it on your pbook, Stefan??

I haven't looked at all into the meaning of these values or into a way 
to translate them. I just know that I can scroll if I put two fingers on 
my pad, and move the cursor if its one.

Maybe its necessary to write a specific driver, if the values of hi 
don't deliver what you need. Its just an observation, that the hardware 
obviously is capable of multitouch...

For my own taste the touchpad is way too small for me to consider it as 
important expresional input device, but I might change my mind if 
someone gets it going... ;-)

>>Sure but it's not what i would call multitouch - when i use the 3rd 

>>value, the first 2 ones (the actual track pad) can not be moved at 

>>the same time - or can it on your pbook, Stefan??

>I haven't looked at all into the meaning of these values or into a 

>way to translate them. I just know that I can scroll if I put two 

>fingers on my pad, and move the cursor if its one.

>Maybe its necessary to write a specific driver, if the values of hi 

>don't deliver what you need. Its just an observation, that the 

>hardware obviously is capable of multitouch...

>For my own taste the touchpad is way too small for me to consider it 

>as important expresional input device, but I might change my mind if 

the track pad is my favourite expression tool (and i bought and had 

custom-made a LOT of midi/usb devices, including sensors and web cams)

when talking about teh values hi receives from the trackpad, you are 

right i can receive 3 differents "streams" of them, but it's either 2 

at a time (which seem to be the "normal" track pad x-y) OR the 3rd 

one (the extra finger) but no way (at least on my computer) to 

receive all 3 at the same time, and worse to receive the 3rd one when 

since the 2nd finger started to work on my Pbook, only with the help 

of iScroll app (it is not "standart" as it is on some newer macs) my 

question here is if on your machine you can vary the values of all 3 

>Kasper T Toeplitz schrieb:
>>Sure but it's not what i would call multitouch - when i use the 3rd 
>>value, the first 2 ones (the actual track pad) can not be moved at 
>>the same time - or can it on your pbook, Stefan??
>
>I haven't looked at all into the meaning of these values or into a 
>way to translate them. I just know that I can scroll if I put two 
>fingers on my pad, and move the cursor if its one.
>
>Maybe its necessary to write a specific driver, if the values of hi 
>don't deliver what you need. Its just an observation, that the 
>hardware obviously is capable of multitouch...
>
>For my own taste the touchpad is way too small for me to consider it 
>as important expresional input device, but I might change my mind if 
>someone gets it going... ;-)

the track pad is my favourite expression tool (and i bought and had 
custom-made a LOT of midi/usb devices, including sensors and web cams)

when talking about teh values hi receives from the trackpad, you are 
right i can receive 3 differents "streams" of them, but it's either 2 
at a time (which seem to be the "normal" track pad x-y) OR the 3rd 
one (the extra finger) but no way (at least on my computer) to 
receive all 3 at the same time, and worse to receive the 3rd one when 
I use the track pad the usual way..

since the 2nd finger started to work on my Pbook, only with the help 
of iScroll app (it is not "standart" as it is on some newer macs) my 
question here is if on your machine you can vary the values of all 3 
streams at the same time

> my question here is if on your machine you can vary the values of all

It seems to be that the third value is only activ on the y-axis. And it

seems the driver will not allow to change all three at the same time. 

I once had a driver for the pad which would also give a z value, for 

pressure, but that's long ago, maybe OS 9 days...

The pad seems much more powerful than the connection to the OS...

Kasper T Toeplitz schrieb:
> my question here is if on your machine you can vary the values of all
> 3 streams at the same time

It seems to be that the third value is only activ on the y-axis. And it
seems the driver will not allow to change all three at the same time. 
Its either x + 3rd or y + 3rd.
I once had a driver for the pad which would also give a z value, for 
pressure, but that's long ago, maybe OS 9 days...

Hi,
Does somebody had news on that subject??
driver?

[ot] disable mouse in OS but still using as hid