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sound card for G4 Powerbook


Jan 24 2006 | 5:29 pm

Can anyone recommend a sound card that will be
compatible on a Powerbook G4, OSX and latest version
of MAX/MSP? I want to take advantage of the highest
possible sound quality output from the computer but
naturally have concerns about compatibility. Are there
any other issues?
Thank you.
Jeffrey Krieger

Jan 24 2006 | 5:45 pm

Jan 24 2006 | 5:49 pm

That’s right. I’m using it now for 3 years (MultiFace) and it’s really fast with low latency. The drivers for 10.4 are very stable now.
But you have to have a powerplug for the interface everywhere with the older cards (like mine).

Jan 24 2006 | 6:07 pm

I don’t see the advantage of buying an extra soundcard if it isn’t for multiple extra i/o. later generation pbs have adequate built-in audio.
anyway,on the multichannel front, if you’re on a budget, some people I know are very satisfied with the Focusrite Sapphire.
RME of course comes recommended, they have a firewire range.
MOTU are good, but I’ve heard of troubles with max and a few other apps with the traveler, which you shouln’t have in that price range imo.
there are some nice small cards by echo, but I don’t know how they behave in osx.

Jan 24 2006 | 7:02 pm

> I don’t see the advantage of buying an extra soundcard if it isn’t
> for multiple extra i/o. later generation pbs have adequate built-in
> audio.

I don’t know what you mean by "later generation", but the headphone
socket on my Rev. D. TiBook certainly doesn’t come close to the
quality of even a budget digital mixer/interface, and I doubt the
microphone in minijack is up to much either. (Having said that, we
have run quite a few high-profile shows with headphone jack audio
going into some mondo PA systems, and it wasn’t bad, but an A/B
comparison would show the difference.)

> RME of course comes recommended, they have a firewire range.

The Fireface is (I believe) FW800, which the new MacBook doesn’t
have, since Intel don’t support it.

> MOTU are good, but I’ve heard of troubles with max and a few other
> apps with the traveler, which you shouln’t have in that price range
> imo.

I haven’t played with a Travel[l]er, but have used an 828 (both Mk. I
and Mk. II) without problems.

nick rothwell — composition, systems, performance — http://
http://www.cassiel.com

Jan 24 2006 | 7:24 pm

My new MOTU Traveler seems to work perfectly with max.

Though it did arrive with half of the screws missing from the back panel!

john.

Jan 24 2006 | 7:45 pm

> The Fireface is (I believe) FW800, which the new MacBook doesn’t have,
> since Intel don’t support it.

Fireface supports FW800 (it can be chained with a disk, etc.), but only
requires FW400.

Jan 24 2006 | 8:32 pm

Quote: nick rothwell / cassiel wrote on Tue, 24 January 2006 12:02
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>
> I don’t know what you mean by "later generation", but the headphone
> socket on my Rev. D. TiBook certainly doesn’t come close to the
> quality of even a budget digital mixer/interface

I have a 1.5 Ghz, 15" pb, which i think was one of the first models with the better built-in audio.
I’m not saying it is as good as an external interface, but costs and footprint in mind the minor increase in quality doesn’t seem worth it to me.


f.e
Jan 25 2006 | 8:30 am

junior wrote:
> I don’t see the advantage of buying an extra soundcard if it isn’t for multiple extra i/o. later generation pbs have adequate built-in audio.
>
For example, when i work on my vaio without my RME plugged to the
PCMCIA, some of my simpliest max patches go to 85% cpu, and it’s
scaring. When i plug the sound card back, it goes to 8-10%…
>

Jan 25 2006 | 10:31 am

i’ve never experienced anything like that, but that’s a good reason indeed. it would be nice if they’d make some small sound cards with generic dsp chips on so that you could do some processing on them with max.
something like creamware…

Jan 25 2006 | 1:54 pm


f.e
Jan 25 2006 | 2:45 pm

Jan 25 2006 | 6:48 pm

for me – on macs – when i have only the card bus
(from RME) i can choose either the RME or the
Core audio

of course using the cardbus (alone) i have NO
sound (that i can hear), but i can edit (etc etc)
my patch

as a ruel using the core audio "seems" a little
lighter on cpu than the RME (just seems maybe) –
it is certainly NOT 8 times more!!

__a mac/pc thing??

best

kasper


Kasper T. Toeplitz
noise, composition, bass, computer
http://www.sleazeArt.com

Jan 25 2006 | 9:08 pm

how weird, he reported a speed INcrease wth the rme…

Jan 25 2006 | 9:26 pm


f.e
Jan 26 2006 | 9:04 am


f.e
Jan 26 2006 | 9:13 am

with all the fw800 / fw400 problems on windows xp sp2…

Jan 26 2006 | 4:59 pm

f.e wrote:
> with all the fw800 / fw400 problems on windows xp sp2…

I’d rather switch the OS than the converters ;-)

Stefan

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