Mr. Banshee

Looking to build a better sounding vocoder than the one included already in the max/msp bundle (sorry homies, you did a great job, just craving for something "thicker" and more "robotic" sounding...more Beastie Boys "Intergalactic" vibe)

below is a link to some mp3 i found, that comes close to what i am thinking of attempting.

http://www.shelaq.de/talking_synth/sounds/sample03.mp3

Any help will be much apprecited (or should i say pointers, cuz i RTFM every day). Thanks!

below is a link to some mp3 i found, that comes close to what i am thinking of attempting.  

Any help will be much apprecited (or should i say pointers, cuz i RTFM every day).  Thanks!
-chuck 

vocoder-challenge

> below is a link to some mp3 i found, that comes close to what i am 

This is not a vocoder sound, I guess its some sort of LPC (Linear 

Predictive Coding)... Look for text to speech conversion...

Chubb schrieb:
> below is a link to some mp3 i found, that comes close to what i am 
> thinking of attempting.  
>
> http://www.shelaq.de/talking_synth/sounds/sample03.mp3

This is not a vocoder sound, I guess its some sort of LPC (Linear 
Predictive Coding)... Look for text to speech conversion...

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As Stephan pointed out, what i was looking for is not a vocoder sound. So, i must really give kudos to cycling for the vocoder sound (which i use). i am always looking to create really insane sounding vocal effects, hence the request to create a vocal induced LPC (linear predictive codiing). i love computers, but i would rather do the talking. Thanks for the help everyone!

*for your own insanity and a better idea of what i do...hearing is believing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Me-UJH1WcQ

As Stephan pointed out, what i was looking for is not a vocoder sound.  So, i must really give kudos to cycling for the vocoder sound (which i use).  i am always looking to create really insane sounding vocal effects, hence the request to create a vocal induced LPC (linear predictive codiing).   i love computers, but i would rather do the talking.  Thanks for the help everyone!
-chuck
*for your own insanity and a better idea of what i do...hearing is believing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Me-UJH1WcQ

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From: Stefan Tiedje 
Sent: Sunday, July 6, 2008 5:07:10 AM
Subject: Re: [maxmsp] vocoder challenge

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Both the csound~ and rtcmix~ objects have LPC capabilities, but the 

analysis has to be done prior to the resynthesis.

On Jul 6, 2008, at 12:55 PM, Chubb wrote:

> As Stephan pointed out, what i was looking for is not a vocoder 

> sound. So, i must really give kudos to cycling for the vocoder 

> sound (which i use). i am always looking to create really insane 

> sounding vocal effects, hence the request to create a vocal induced 

> LPC (linear predictive codiing). i love computers, but i would 

> rather do the talking. Thanks for the help everyone!

> *for your own insanity and a better idea of what i do...hearing is 

> Subject: Re: [maxmsp] vocoder challenge

> > below is a link to some mp3 i found, that comes close to what i am

> This is not a vocoder sound, I guess its some sort of LPC (Linear

> Predictive Coding)... Look for text to speech conversion...

Both the csound~ and rtcmix~ objects have LPC capabilities, but the  
analysis has to be done prior to the resynthesis.

> As Stephan pointed out, what i was looking for is not a vocoder  
> sound.  So, i must really give kudos to cycling for the vocoder  
> sound (which i use).  i am always looking to create really insane  
> sounding vocal effects, hence the request to create a vocal induced  
> LPC (linear predictive codiing).   i love computers, but i would  
> rather do the talking.  Thanks for the help everyone!
> -chuck
> *for your own insanity and a better idea of what i do...hearing is  
> believing:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Me-UJH1WcQ
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Stefan Tiedje 
> Sent: Sunday, July 6, 2008 5:07:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [maxmsp] vocoder challenge
>
> Chubb schrieb:
> > below is a link to some mp3 i found, that comes close to what i am
> > thinking of attempting.
> >
> > http://www.shelaq.de/talking_synth/sounds/sample03.mp3
>
> This is not a vocoder sound, I guess its some sort of LPC (Linear
> Predictive Coding)... Look for text to speech conversion...
>
> Stefan
>
> -- 
> Stefan Tiedje------------x-------
> --_____-----------|--------------
> --(_|_ ----|-----|-----()-------
> -- _|_)----|-----()--------------
> ----------()--------www.ccmix.com
>
>
>


Quote: Mr. Banshee wrote on Sat, 05 July 2008 00:59

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> Looking to build a better sounding vocoder than the one included already in the max/msp bundle (sorry homies, you did a great job, just craving for something "thicker" and more "robotic" sounding...more Beastie Boys "Intergalactic" vibe)

> below is a link to some mp3 i found, that comes close to what i am thinking of attempting. 

> Any help will be much apprecited (or should i say pointers, cuz i RTFM every day). Thanks!

This is not a vocoder. I think its the talking synth from FLAME:

http://flame.fortschritt-musik.de/start.htm

Make sure you check out the sound link!!!

To recreate this kind of sound you need to build some fof synthesis engine using a filterbank. Search the forum for some examples.

Quote: Mr. Banshee wrote on Sat, 05 July 2008 00:59
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> Looking to build a better sounding vocoder than the one included already in the max/msp bundle (sorry homies, you did a great job, just craving for something "thicker" and more "robotic" sounding...more Beastie Boys "Intergalactic" vibe)
>
> below is a link to some mp3 i found, that comes close to what i am thinking of attempting.  
>
> http://www.shelaq.de/talking_synth/sounds/sample03.mp3
>
> Any help will be much apprecited (or should i say pointers, cuz i RTFM every day).  Thanks!
> -chuck 

To recreate this kind of sound you need to build some fof synthesis engine using a filterbank. Search the forum for some examples.


Sounds like formant synthesis to me - like the 'lil rubberheaded Mammy' in

There was a patch called Copacabana that someone posted here some time ago

that used formant filters to make these sort of cute noises. It's pretty

much a matter of using a pair (or more) of filters with characteristics that

match the human vocal tract. Googling 'formant synthesis' or 'formant

filters' should get you started. I have a patch lying around somewhere I

could post (including one used to make sheep noises - don't ask, it's a

On 06/07/2008 20:28, "danny de graan" wrote:

> Quote: Mr. Banshee wrote on Sat, 05 July 2008 00:59

> ----------------------------------------------------

>> Looking to build a better sounding vocoder than the one included already in

>> the max/msp bundle (sorry homies, you did a great job, just craving for

>> something "thicker" and more "robotic" sounding...more Beastie Boys

>> below is a link to some mp3 i found, that comes close to what i am thinking

>> Any help will be much apprecited (or should i say pointers, cuz i RTFM every

> This is not a vocoder. I think its the talking synth from FLAME:

> Make sure you check out the sound link!!!

> To recreate this kind of sound you need to build some fof synthesis engine

> using a filterbank. Search the forum for some examples.

Sounds like formant synthesis to me - like the 'lil rubberheaded Mammy' in
Zappa's Thingfish!
 There was a patch called Copacabana that someone posted here some time ago
that used formant filters to make these sort of cute noises. It's pretty
much a matter of using a pair (or more) of filters with characteristics that
match the human vocal tract. Googling 'formant synthesis' or 'formant
filters' should get you started. I have a patch lying around somewhere I
could post (including one used to make sheep noises - don't ask, it's a
Welsh thing...;-)
Cheers
roger

On 06/07/2008 20:28, "danny de graan"  wrote:

>
>
>
> Quote: Mr. Banshee wrote on Sat, 05 July 2008 00:59
> ----------------------------------------------------
>> Looking to build a better sounding vocoder than the one included already in
>> the max/msp bundle (sorry homies, you did a great job, just craving for
>> something "thicker" and more "robotic" sounding...more Beastie Boys
>> "Intergalactic" vibe)
>>
>> below is a link to some mp3 i found, that comes close to what i am thinking
>> of attempting.  
>>
>> http://www.shelaq.de/talking_synth/sounds/sample03.mp3
>>
>> Any help will be much apprecited (or should i say pointers, cuz i RTFM every
>> day).  Thanks!
>> -chuck 
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
> This is not a vocoder. I think its the talking synth from FLAME:
>
> http://flame.fortschritt-musik.de/start.htm
>
> Make sure you check out the sound link!!!
>
> To recreate this kind of sound you need to build some fof synthesis engine
> using a filterbank. Search the forum for some examples.
> --
> - Danny -

Indeed that's classic fof stuff. I would take a look at the fof 

example patch that comes with the latest release of csound~ external. 

It was announced here only last week so you should be able to find it 

easily. And of course there is the external from IRCAM as well.

On 6 Jul 2008, at 21:35, Roger Carruthers wrote:

> Sounds like formant synthesis to me - like the 'lil rubberheaded 

> There was a patch called Copacabana that someone posted here some 

> that used formant filters to make these sort of cute noises. It's 

> much a matter of using a pair (or more) of filters with 

> match the human vocal tract. Googling 'formant synthesis' or 'formant

> filters' should get you started. I have a patch lying around 

> could post (including one used to make sheep noises - don't ask, 

> On 06/07/2008 20:28, "danny de graan" wrote:

>> Quote: Mr. Banshee wrote on Sat, 05 July 2008 00:59

>> ----------------------------------------------------

>>> Looking to build a better sounding vocoder than the one included 

>>> the max/msp bundle (sorry homies, you did a great job, just 

>>> something "thicker" and more "robotic" sounding...more Beastie Boys

>>> below is a link to some mp3 i found, that comes close to what i 

>>> Any help will be much apprecited (or should i say pointers, cuz i 

>> This is not a vocoder. I think its the talking synth from FLAME:

Indeed that's classic fof stuff. I would take a look at the fof  
example patch that comes with the latest release of csound~ external.  
It was announced here only last week so you should be able to find it  
easily. And of course there is the external from IRCAM as well.

> Sounds like formant synthesis to me - like the 'lil rubberheaded  
> Mammy' in
> Zappa's Thingfish!
>  There was a patch called Copacabana that someone posted here some  
> time ago
> that used formant filters to make these sort of cute noises. It's  
> pretty
> much a matter of using a pair (or more) of filters with  
> characteristics that
> match the human vocal tract. Googling 'formant synthesis' or 'formant
> filters' should get you started. I have a patch lying around  
> somewhere I
> could post (including one used to make sheep noises - don't ask,  
> it's a
> Welsh thing...;-)
> Cheers
> roger
>
>
> On 06/07/2008 20:28, "danny de graan"  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Quote: Mr. Banshee wrote on Sat, 05 July 2008 00:59
>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>> Looking to build a better sounding vocoder than the one included  
>>> already in
>>> the max/msp bundle (sorry homies, you did a great job, just  
>>> craving for
>>> something "thicker" and more "robotic" sounding...more Beastie Boys
>>> "Intergalactic" vibe)
>>>
>>> below is a link to some mp3 i found, that comes close to what i  
>>> am thinking
>>> of attempting.
>>>
>>> http://www.shelaq.de/talking_synth/sounds/sample03.mp3
>>>
>>> Any help will be much apprecited (or should i say pointers, cuz i  
>>> RTFM every
>>> day).  Thanks!
>>> -chuck
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>
>> This is not a vocoder. I think its the talking synth from FLAME:
>>
>> http://flame.fortschritt-musik.de/start.htm
>>
>> Make sure you check out the sound link!!!
>>
>> To recreate this kind of sound you need to build some fof  
>> synthesis engine
>> using a filterbank. Search the forum for some examples.
>> --
>> - Danny -
>
>


peimankhosravi@gmail.com wrote on Sun, 06 July 2008 15:48

> On 06/07/2008 20:28, "danny de graan" <

Is this possible with native msp objects?

peimankhosravi@gmail.com wrote on Sun, 06 July 2008 15:48Indeed that's classic fof stuff. I would take a look at the fof  
example patch that comes with the latest release of csound~ external.  
It was announced here only last week so you should be able to find it  
easily. And of course there is the external from IRCAM as well.

> Sounds like formant synthesis to me - like the 'lil rubberheaded  
> Mammy' in
> Zappa's Thingfish!
>  There was a patch called Copacabana that someone posted here some  
> time ago
> that used formant filters to make these sort of cute noises. It's  
> pretty
> much a matter of using a pair (or more) of filters with  
> characteristics that
> match the human vocal tract. Googling 'formant synthesis' or 'formant
> filters' should get you started. I have a patch lying around  
> somewhere I
> could post (including one used to make sheep noises - don't ask,  
> it's a
> Welsh thing...
> Cheers
> roger
>
>
> On 06/07/2008 20:28, "danny de graan" <info@dannydegraan.nl> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Quote: Mr. Banshee wrote on Sat, 05 July 2008 00:59
>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>> Looking to build a better sounding vocoder than the one included  
>>> already in
>>> the max/msp bundle (sorry homies, you did a great job, just  
>>> craving for
>>> something "thicker" and more "robotic" sounding...more Beastie Boys
>>> "Intergalactic" vibe)
>>>
>>> below is a link to some mp3 i found, that comes close to what i  
>>> am thinking
>>> of attempting.
>>>
>>>http://www.shelaq.de/talking_synth/sounds/sample03.mp3
>>>
>>> Any help will be much apprecited (or should i say pointers, cuz i  
>>> RTFM every
>>> day).  Thanks!
>>> -chuck
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>
>> This is not a vocoder. I think its the talking synth from FLAME:
>>
>>http://flame.fortschritt-musik.de/start.htm
>>
>> Make sure you check out the sound link!!!
>>
>> To recreate this kind of sound you need to build some fof  
>> synthesis engine
>> using a filterbank. Search the forum for some examples.
>> --
>> - Danny -
>
>

Is this possible with native msp objects?


marlon brando wrote on Sun, 10 May 2009 06:36

Not that I know... But third party externals are fine, enough flavors to choose from. I'd take something which works on Mac and PC if you want it cross platform...

marlon brando wrote on Sun, 10 May 2009 06:36
Cool sounding stuff!
Is this possible with native msp objects?

Thanks, but I prefer reverse engineering patches build with native objects.

Thanks, but I prefer reverse engineering patches build with native objects.
It makes it easier to learn, me thinks


http://www.music.mcgill.ca/~jordan/coursework/mumt307/speech_synth.html

I'd lay my money on this being LPC rather than vocoding, but it would appear that Mr. Garton's beaten me to it. His rtcmix~ object will do the LPC stuff jes' fine.