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VST clock sync

Apr 11 2013 | 7:25 pm

Hey all,

The last topic I could find related to mine is 5 years old. Is it yet possible to send clock information to a vst~ object for beat-dependent delays, etc.? The vst~ documentation does not say.

Apr 15 2013 | 11:44 am

You have to include a transport object in your patch, and turn the transport on. That will automagically make your plugins hosted within vst~ sync to the same tempo specified by the transport object.

May 25 2013 | 1:42 am

What about named [transport] object. As I know Max may have more ‘timing streams’ at once. Is any option to relate timing from named [transport] to particular [vst~] object. Global transport extra in just a patch with unnamed instance of [transport]. Any clues?

May 25 2013 | 10:08 pm

That’s an interesting question. It would be cool if [vst~] had an @transport argument.
I don’t have access to multiple tempo-sensitive vst plugins now but I guess that [vst~] will not reliably synchronize to any particular [transport] if there’s more than one active.
One workaround might be to not use [transport] but instead send MIDI ticks direct into [vst~]. I am also not sure how [vst~] parses time–is it at the standard MIDI 24 ticks/beat or the Max 480 ppq or something else?
The patch here takes a BPM, translates it to MS per tick @ 24 ticks/beat, then sends "248" (the MIDI "tick" 11111000) at that rate. I don’t know if that will work though.

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May 26 2013 | 10:33 am

Oops. put the Real-Time stop message in the wrong place. Should be here:

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May 26 2013 | 3:05 pm

I’ve tried this before and the main problem is that [vst~] need midievent with at last two arguments. RealTime MIDI Msgs are without arguments. It does not working neither if I send midievent with 2 args (the second 0 or whatever). Timing in [vst~] is a little out of control. The good plugin to test is TAL-FilterII (Togu Audio Line) its envelope driven filter and is free.
Adding @transport to [vst~] will be nice :)

May 26 2013 | 3:58 pm

Yes. Posting feature request.

May 26 2013 | 5:56 pm

> Timing in [vst~] is a little out of control.

What exactly do you mean, inaccuracy (jitter) or latency?

May 27 2013 | 10:10 pm

Neither. Just that I can’t use MIDI Real Time messages and rely on global transport. I did not tested time synced [vst~] for phase/jitter/latency problems since I’m interested in being "out of sync" :-).

BTW: 32Bit’s question about the internal timing resolution of plugin and it’s host [vst~] is important too. Does [vst~] take tempo value from [transport] and send it to plugin or just send real time msgs in right intervals?

Jul 19 2014 | 7:28 pm

I’m trying to use this with Native Instruments Battery but I don’t seem to be able to get Battery to see the clock.

I’ve tried putting a transport in my top level patch and (just in case) I tried putting one in the same patch where the actual vst~ is defined.

I then activated the Global Transport and tried changing the tempo but Battery doesn’t seem to be seeing anything.

This is with Max 5.1.9

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