What's the midi change mssg for bank change?
Alchemy Player hosted in vst~ –
I can change voices in a bank using [midievent 192 X] – 192 being the midi number for program change. Does anybody know what the message number would be for switching _banks of presets (midi bank change)?
Also, someone posted a list (or a link to a list) of all of different midi messages that can be used with the midievent message – and I can’t find it on either of my computers! …..
And here it is! http://bit.ly/d5AGoQ (thanks Simon)
There doesn’t seem to be a bank change message though????
… a bit more research suggested [midievent 176 00 X] – 176 being channel 1 control change, and 00 being bank select. It doesn’t work though. Max message boxes won’t accept 00 – always reverting to a single 0 – but that shouldn’t make a difference, should it?
Solved it – after sending a bank change message, you have to send a new program change message. So it’s …
[midievent 176 0 X] followed by [midievent 192 X]
I am tryng to change the program in VSTi like Massive and I can´t do it. Anybody cans help me? What must I do?
Thanks in advance and best regards.
Just send the message [midievent 192 X], where X is the program number.
Yes, I´ve tried with that but it doesn´t work with my VSTi…
Thanks and best regards.
most plug-ins do not support preset and bank change via midi, because
mostz host programs dont.
but you can change presets by sending an integer to [vst~] like it is described
in the friendly helpfile.
[midievent 192 X] is programme change
[midievent 176 0 X] followed by [midievent 192 X] will give you a bank change followed by a programme change. I found that even if it was the same voice number in the new bank, I still needed to programme/preset change command to get it to work.
And this may not work with all VSTi – it works with Alchemy Player.
Thanks to both. I´ve tried with integers into messages, and midievent 176 with midievent 192 with Massive and FM8 (Native Instruments) and they don´t work. Anybody has tried with these VSTi?
Thank you again and best regards.
I’ve just checked the Massive demo, and [midievent 192 X] works for me as expected.
Note however that in Massive you have to create a "program list" first.
See manual page 91 for details.
Nothing, I don´t know what I am doing wrong, but I can´t do it… Thank you anyway.
Does it work when sending program changes to Massive standalone?
From Max/MSP? I haven´t tried. I´ll do it, but it´s the same with others VSTi: I can´t change programs, and I don´t know why, what I´m doing wrong…
Thank you and best regards.
Here is a simple patch demonstrating how it should work.
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Yes, I´ve tried it with a lot of VSTs and VSTi and I can´t change programs… I don´t know what I´m doing wrong.
Thank you very much anyway. Best regards.
Hi, same for me: program change messages do not work with Fm8 from maxmsp as a vst plugin. It works with standalone fm8 and midi….
but in case you ever need it again: bank select is simply CC 0.
in opposite to program change it might even work in a few plug-ins,
such as the synths from arturia.
so is there really no bank change message you can send directly to vst~ object? It seems I have also run into cases where the midievent method doesn’t work. In any case I’d like to create a patch that I know will work with the most possible vsts..
I don’t know how the following information relates with the implementation of VST instruments, but the MIDI implementation defines Control Change 0 (MSB) AND 32 (LSB) as Bank Select messages, to a achieve a theoretical maximum of 16384 different sound presets. In many hardware synthesizers you have to send these three values, in order: Control Change 0, Control Change 32, Program Change.
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