Udp receive crashing live / max for live

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Hello every and anyone ...

im having a horror time here with a new problem in a usually flawless patch / m4l set, that i have been working on for days to fix now and have allot of pressure to fix before up coming shows (im about to cry).

ive been speaking with ableton techs who have been speaking with cycling about this but no one seems to be able to shed any light further.

Simply live and max disappear off the screen , so sound, no warning and no specific action with the input to the udp receive that causes the crash.
can happen at any moment, and all of a sudden live is gone.

the udp receive object is being fed messages from a purpose built application that (according to its author) is 100% sending the udp object only manageable messages , and both him and ableton techs have said they 100% think its something to do with the udp receive object.

i have tried giving the port address in the object name , via a message with a loadbang / this is about it, i send this object no other commands and it just stays on this port .. i mean its been working for around 5 years and now this? , and i have defiantly had no need to chance the port name in this case...

the hardware sending the app information is a bluetooth wireless devise wich has also been tested and replaced and is working perfectly.

the only thing i have not troubleshot is the mac bluetooth antenna (was about to try an aftermarket usb option)

but i think this is nothing to do with this situation tbh.

here is the crash report (below)

if any one has had any similar problems with this object , please let me know your thoughts, im no max expert and i just build what i need to for certain purposes , so this report really means nothing to me.

I should also add , i have can reproduce this problem in osx 10.6.8 , 10.9.4 in any version of live and max that has been released in the last few years .... HORROR.

thread in question

Thread 19 Crashed:
0 com.cycling74.MaxPlugLib     0x318bf5e4 object_obex_get + 52
1 com.cycling74.MaxPlugLib     0x318bf778 object_obex_registered_get + 14
2 com.cycling74.MaxPlugLib     0x318c21dd object_decrement_registered + 45
3 com.cycling74.MaxPlugLib     0x318c22d4 object_release_canfree + 60
4 com.cycling74.MaxPlugLib     0x3187fcc8 freeobject + 92
5 com.cycling74.MaxPlugLib     0x318c04c0 object_release + 17
6 com.cycling74.udpreceive     0x343f9c92 udpreceiver_listen + 193
7 com.cycling74.MaxPlugLib     0x31884b95 systhread_threadproc + 78
8 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab1259 _pthread_start + 345
9 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab10de thread_start + 34

and here the full report !!!

Process: Live [406]
Path: /Applications/Ableton Live 9.1.4.app/Contents/MacOS/Live
Identifier: com.ableton.live
Version: 9.1.4 (2014-07-10_a4ea58fe53) (9.1.4 (2014-07-10_a4ea58fe53))
Code Type: X86 (Native)
Parent Process: launchd [123]

Date/Time: 2014-08-20 02:52:18.318 +1000
OS Version: Mac OS X 10.6.8 (10K549)
Report Version: 6

Interval Since Last Report: 544626 sec
Crashes Since Last Report: 13
Per-App Interval Since Last Report: 31189 sec
Per-App Crashes Since Last Report: 11
Anonymous UUID: 1C697933-AA80-40D5-9CFC-E3FA05394D8D

Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGBUS)
Exception Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE at 0x0000000000000084
Crashed Thread: 19

Thread 0: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0 com.ableton.live     0x007b3461 CzplfFFT_If::~CzplfFFT_If() + 1668209
1 com.ableton.live     0x010c8b23 CzplfFFT_If::~CzplfFFT_If() + 11193139
2 com.ableton.live     0x00ab8925 CzplfFFT_If::~CzplfFFT_If() + 4835637
3 com.ableton.live     0x00afccff CzplfFFT_If::~CzplfFFT_If() + 5115151
4 com.apple.Foundation     0x93592484 __NSFireTimer + 141
5 com.apple.CoreFoundation     0x961aaa3b __CFRunLoopRun + 8059
6 com.apple.CoreFoundation     0x961a83c4 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 452
7 com.apple.CoreFoundation     0x961a81f1 CFRunLoopRunInMode + 97
8 com.apple.HIToolbox     0x956fae04 RunCurrentEventLoopInMode + 392
9 com.apple.HIToolbox     0x956fabb9 ReceiveNextEventCommon + 354
10 com.apple.HIToolbox     0x956faa3e BlockUntilNextEventMatchingListInMode + 81
11 com.apple.AppKit     0x98801595 _DPSNextEvent + 847
12 com.apple.AppKit     0x98800dd6 -[NSApplication nextEventMatchingMask:untilDate:inMode:dequeue:] + 156
13 com.apple.AppKit     0x987c31f3 -[NSApplication run] + 821
14 com.ableton.live     0x00af4bee CzplfFFT_If::~CzplfFFT_If() + 5082110
15 com.ableton.live     0x00afd4f5 CzplfFFT_If::~CzplfFFT_If() + 5117189
16 com.ableton.live     0x00002fe6 0x1000 + 8166

Thread 1: Dispatch queue: com.apple.libdispatch-manager
0 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95abf58a select$DARWIN_EXTSN$NOCANCEL + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95aaab8b _dispatch_mgr_invoke + 454
2 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95aa9f59 _dispatch_queue_invoke + 163
3 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95aa9cfe _dispatch_worker_thread2 + 240
4 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95aa9781 _pthread_wqthread + 390
5 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95aa95c6 start_wqthread + 30

Thread 2: GuiNetThread
0 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95a83b36 semaphore_wait_trap + 10
1 com.ableton.live     0x007864f4 CzplfFFT_If::~CzplfFFT_If() + 1484036
2 com.ableton.live     0x009cca27 CzplfFFT_If::~CzplfFFT_If() + 3869239
3 com.ableton.live     0x009cca4b CzplfFFT_If::~CzplfFFT_If() + 3869275
4 com.ableton.live     0x00786c90 CzplfFFT_If::~CzplfFFT_If() + 1485984
5 com.ableton.live     0x00786ca9 CzplfFFT_If::~CzplfFFT_If() + 1486009
6 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab1259 _pthread_start + 345
7 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab10de thread_start + 34

Thread 3: AudioCalc
0 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95a83b36 semaphore_wait_trap + 10
1 com.ableton.live     0x007864f4 CzplfFFT_If::~CzplfFFT_If() + 1484036
2 com.ableton.live     0x0078bca5 CzplfFFT_If::~CzplfFFT_If() + 1506485
3 com.ableton.live     0x00786c90 CzplfFFT_If::~CzplfFFT_If() + 1485984
4 com.ableton.live     0x00786ca9 CzplfFFT_If::~CzplfFFT_If() + 1486009
5 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab1259 _pthread_start + 345
6 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab10de thread_start + 34

Thread 4: FileThread
0 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95a83b36 semaphore_wait_trap + 10
1 com.ableton.live     0x007864f4 CzplfFFT_If::~CzplfFFT_If() + 1484036
2 com.ableton.live     0x00fd5da9 CzplfFFT_If::~CzplfFFT_If() + 10198457
3 com.ableton.live     0x00786c90 CzplfFFT_If::~CzplfFFT_If() + 1485984
4 com.ableton.live     0x00786ca9 CzplfFFT_If::~CzplfFFT_If() + 1486009
5 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab1259 _pthread_start + 345
6 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab10de thread_start + 34

Thread 5:
0 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95a83afa mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95a84267 mach_msg + 68
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation     0x961a92df __CFRunLoopRun + 2079
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation     0x961a83c4 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 452
4 com.apple.CoreFoundation     0x961ae304 CFRunLoopRun + 84
5 com.apple.DVCPROHDMuxer     0x1ec8b98f AVS::DestroyAVCDeviceController(AVS::AVCDeviceController*) + 317
6 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab1259 _pthread_start + 345
7 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab10de thread_start + 34

Thread 6:
0 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95a83afa mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95a84267 mach_msg + 68
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation     0x961a92df __CFRunLoopRun + 2079
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation     0x961a83c4 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 452
4 com.apple.CoreFoundation     0x961a81f1 CFRunLoopRunInMode + 97
5 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio     0x9532b96c HALRunLoop::OwnThread(void*) + 162
6 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio     0x95317488 CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*) + 140
7 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab1259 _pthread_start + 345
8 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab10de thread_start + 34

Thread 7:
0 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95a83afa mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95a84267 mach_msg + 68
2 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI     0x036130c1 XServerMachPort::ReceiveMessage(int&, void*, int&) + 155
3 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI     0x0363197a MIDIProcess::RunMIDIInThread() + 150
4 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI     0x036142d9 XThread::RunHelper(void*) + 17
5 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI     0x03613ca6 CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*) + 96
6 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab1259 _pthread_start + 345
7 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab10de thread_start + 34

Thread 8:
0 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95a83c0e mach_wait_until + 10
1 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore    0x916707f0 MPDelayUntil + 43
2 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore    0x91680226 Delay + 107
3 ...opellerheads.rewire.library    0x1f8ab274 RWIsReWireMixerAppRunningImp + 33924
4 ...opellerheads.rewire.library    0x1f8b9208 RWIsReWireMixerAppRunningImp + 91160
5 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab1259 _pthread_start + 345
6 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab10de thread_start + 34

Thread 9:
0 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95a83afa mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95a84267 mach_msg + 68
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation     0x961a92df __CFRunLoopRun + 2079
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation     0x961a83c4 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 452
4 com.apple.CoreFoundation     0x961ae304 CFRunLoopRun + 84
5 ...emony.melodyne.rewiredevice    0x1f9e1866 RWDEFGetDeviceInfo + 821702
6 ...emony.melodyne.rewiredevice    0x1f9bbc7a RWDEFGetDeviceInfo + 667098
7 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab1259 _pthread_start + 345
8 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab10de thread_start + 34

Thread 10:
0 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95a83afa mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95a84267 mach_msg + 68
2 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95a9b431 vproc_mig_look_up2 + 229
3 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95a9b20c bootstrap_look_up2 + 294
4 com.apple.CoreFoundation     0x961f24ff __CFMessagePortCreateRemote + 623
5 ...emony.melodyne.rewiredevice    0x1f9e0d8e RWDEFGetDeviceInfo + 818926
6 ...emony.melodyne.rewiredevice    0x1f91c987 RWDEFGetDeviceInfo + 15079
7 ...emony.melodyne.rewiredevice    0x1f9191c1 RWDEFGetDeviceInfo + 801
8 ...emony.melodyne.rewiredevice    0x1f9bbc7a RWDEFGetDeviceInfo + 667098
9 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab1259 _pthread_start + 345
10 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab10de thread_start + 34

Thread 11:
0 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95a83b36 semaphore_wait_trap + 10
1 com.renoise.RewireDevice     0x21670d61 TProcessEventImpl::Wait(int) + 29
2 com.renoise.RewireDevice     0x21670b06 TProcessEvent::Wait(int) + 26
3 com.renoise.RewireDevice     0x21664ca5 TRewireDevice::SConnectionLister(void*) + 61
4 com.renoise.RewireDevice     0x2166ccc2 (anonymous namespace)::TThreadContext::SEntryFunc(void*) + 114
5 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab1259 _pthread_start + 345
6 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab10de thread_start + 34

Thread 12:
0 com.apple.framework.IOKit     0x9a67c9e3 iokit_user_client_trap + 7
1 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio     0x9531b75a IOA_HWDevice::WriteOutputData(unsigned long, unsigned long, unsigned long, unsigned long long) + 108
2 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio     0x9531b576 IOA_SingleDevice::WriteOutputData(AudioTimeStamp const&, unsigned long) + 422
3 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio     0x9531ae59 IOA_Device::CallIOProcs(AudioTimeStamp const&, AudioTimeStamp const&, AudioTimeStamp const&) + 573
4 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio     0x9531ab7e HP_IOThread::PerformIO(AudioTimeStamp const&, double) + 620
5 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio     0x95317f40 HP_IOThread::WorkLoop() + 2506
6 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio     0x95317571 HP_IOThread::ThreadEntry(HP_IOThread*) + 17
7 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio     0x95317488 CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*) + 140
8 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab1259 _pthread_start + 345
9 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab10de thread_start + 34

Thread 13: IPCThread
0 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95a83b36 semaphore_wait_trap + 10
1 com.ableton.live     0x007864f4 CzplfFFT_If::~CzplfFFT_If() + 1484036
2 com.ableton.live     0x009ec2d9 CzplfFFT_If::~CzplfFFT_If() + 3998441
3 com.ableton.live     0x009ec2f8 CzplfFFT_If::~CzplfFFT_If() + 3998472
4 com.ableton.live     0x00786c90 CzplfFFT_If::~CzplfFFT_If() + 1485984
5 com.ableton.live     0x00786ca9 CzplfFFT_If::~CzplfFFT_If() + 1486009
6 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab1259 _pthread_start + 345
7 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab10de thread_start + 34

Thread 14: IPCThread
0 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95a83b36 semaphore_wait_trap + 10
1 com.ableton.live     0x007864f4 CzplfFFT_If::~CzplfFFT_If() + 1484036
2 com.ableton.live     0x009ec1b4 CzplfFFT_If::~CzplfFFT_If() + 3998148
3 com.ableton.live     0x009ec274 CzplfFFT_If::~CzplfFFT_If() + 3998340
4 com.ableton.live     0x009ec2f8 CzplfFFT_If::~CzplfFFT_If() + 3998472
5 com.ableton.live     0x00786c90 CzplfFFT_If::~CzplfFFT_If() + 1485984
6 com.ableton.live     0x00786ca9 CzplfFFT_If::~CzplfFFT_If() + 1486009
7 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab1259 _pthread_start + 345
8 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab10de thread_start + 34

Thread 15: SeratoCommsAuthenticate
0 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95a83b4e semaphore_timedwait_trap + 10
1 com.ableton.live     0x00786412 CzplfFFT_If::~CzplfFFT_If() + 1483810
2 com.ableton.live     0x013d77fe CzplfFFT_If::~CzplfFFT_If() + 14399502
3 com.ableton.live     0x00786c90 CzplfFFT_If::~CzplfFFT_If() + 1485984
4 com.ableton.live     0x00786ca9 CzplfFFT_If::~CzplfFFT_If() + 1486009
5 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab1259 _pthread_start + 345
6 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab10de thread_start + 34

Thread 16:
0 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab1aa2 __semwait_signal + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab175e _pthread_cond_wait + 1191
2 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab12b1 pthread_cond_timedwait$UNIX2003 + 72
3 com.cycling74.MaxPlugLib     0x31c7f52e juce::WaitableEventImpl::wait(int) + 168
4 com.cycling74.MaxPlugLib     0x31c719ba juce::WaitableEvent::wait(int) const + 26
5 com.cycling74.MaxPlugLib     0x31c8ceb9 juce::Thread::wait(int) const + 27
6 com.cycling74.MaxPlugLib     0x31b59373 juce::InternalTimerThread::run() + 163
7 com.cycling74.MaxPlugLib     0x31c8cd7c juce::Thread::threadEntryPoint() + 130
8 com.cycling74.MaxPlugLib     0x31c6f8f0 juce::threadEntryProc(void*) + 70
9 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab1259 _pthread_start + 345
10 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab10de thread_start + 34

Thread 17:
0 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95afc31e accept$UNIX2003 + 10
1 com.cycling74.MaxPlugLib     0x31c54a33 juce::StreamingSocket::waitForNextConnection() const + 219
2 com.cycling74.MaxPlugLib     0x31a3cd4f tcpconnection_listenthread(_tcpconnection*) + 72
3 com.cycling74.MaxPlugLib     0x31884b95 systhread_threadproc + 78
4 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab1259 _pthread_start + 345
5 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab10de thread_start + 34

Thread 18:
0 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95a83b42 semaphore_wait_signal_trap + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab16f8 _pthread_cond_wait + 1089
2 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95afa05f pthread_cond_wait + 48
3 com.cycling74.udpsend     0x32931be1 udpsend_dequeue_dgram + 42
4 com.cycling74.udpsend     0x3293202d udpsend_send + 36
5 com.cycling74.MaxPlugLib     0x31884b95 systhread_threadproc + 78
6 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab1259 _pthread_start + 345
7 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab10de thread_start + 34

Thread 19 Crashed:
0 com.cycling74.MaxPlugLib     0x318bf5e4 object_obex_get + 52
1 com.cycling74.MaxPlugLib     0x318bf778 object_obex_registered_get + 14
2 com.cycling74.MaxPlugLib     0x318c21dd object_decrement_registered + 45
3 com.cycling74.MaxPlugLib     0x318c22d4 object_release_canfree + 60
4 com.cycling74.MaxPlugLib     0x3187fcc8 freeobject + 92
5 com.cycling74.MaxPlugLib     0x318c04c0 object_release + 17
6 com.cycling74.udpreceive     0x343f9c92 udpreceiver_listen + 193
7 com.cycling74.MaxPlugLib     0x31884b95 systhread_threadproc + 78
8 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab1259 _pthread_start + 345
9 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95ab10de thread_start + 34

Thread 20:
0 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95aa9412 __workq_kernreturn + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95aa99a8 _pthread_wqthread + 941
2 libSystem.B.dylib     0x95aa95c6 start_wqthread + 30

Thread 19 crashed with X86 Thread State (32-bit):
eax: 0x00000060 ebx: 0x6c27a060 ecx: 0x2ecf3175 edx: 0x00000000
edi: 0x6c27a060 esi: 0x318c21bd ebp: 0xb06afe78 esp: 0xb06afe78
ss: 0x00000023 efl: 0x00010206 eip: 0x318bf5e4 cs: 0x0000001b
ds: 0x00000023 es: 0x00000023 fs: 0x00000023 gs: 0x0000000f
cr2: 0x00000084

Binary Images:
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Roland Cahen's icon

I am using OSC and have managed to work with it but you must reduce the speed of reception in Live. Use a qlim object at 50ms and try again.
I use float dials to automatize the parameters.

By the way if you find a solution for avoiding repeated automation points preforming hold values when recording and having instead single points with interpolation, please let me know.

Best
Roland

Roland Cahen's icon

Hah, I forgot something else. There is an issue with max that does not release the UDP port when closing the maxforlive object edition within Max.
When you save, you must force quit max to release the port and often restart Live.
I have tried to change the port on closebang, but it does not seem to work.

Roland

Jan M's icon

just some general thoughts:
how far could you narrow it down? i.e. if you can reproduce on different computers it's most likely not the hardware. does it happen also when you send your data to a simple m4l device containing only a [udpreceive]. does it happen only in m4l or also in Max ...
... can you think of anything that has changed before the crashes started to appear?

i never had problems with [udpreceive] in m4l but i manage to crash live if fast and noisy data comes in and is controlling certain other devices. filtering duplicates and speedlim is genarally a good advice.

face_head's icon

@Roland , thanks for your thoughts , im aware of this port block with the editor , but this is nothing to do with the problem im having , this is a case of live and totally crashing out of nowhere with no particular time or input action casing the crash ... totally randomised ... but thanks for your help .. i do have speedlim further down the chain in the patch , but putting a speedlim at the top straight after the udp makes it not possible for me to unpach the osc messages ... but like i mentioned , in this case i have been using this part of the patch / with its hi res input for nearly 5 years with no problems ...

@Jan , thanks man ...

yes im able to crash the machine with one patch wich containsthe udp and the OSC-ROUTE unpacking with other simple scale opjects and then send opjects wich i send to different mapping ie live object model stuff ...
but yes in this one patch no more than osc-route , unpack, multisliders, some expr , toggles and send objusts , its very very simple.

since the innitial post i have now tested both my mavericks system drive on a 2012 i7 macbook pro and also a new base model i5 retina , i didnt manage to crash the i7 , but crashed the retina .... and nearly cried as i was hoping it was the machine ...

ive been on this for so many hours ....

i cannot think of anything i touched that i can see is in any way related to this patch and the fact that it crashes alone is totally beyond me ....

not sure what to do

really

aghhhhhhhhh

thanks again !!!

Jan M's icon

What I do in this case is really trying to isolate the step where it is crashing. It's time consuming and a pain in the ass. I.e. you can start "rebuilding" (or just temporarily delete some patch chords) your patch. First only with the [udpreceive], then adding the route and so on. It's the only way I see to be sure wether [udpreceive] is the problem or something else (or a combination).

An example from my experience (not UDP/OSC related): Earlier this year I had a very complex Live set that all of a sudden started to crash. It took me 1 1/2 days but by strictly isolating the issue (first narrowing it down to a track, then to a device, then to a parameter and so on) I found that there was obviously a corrupted automation point. Once I deleted this and set it again, everything was fine.

... I know it's not the golden solution, but the the only next step I can think of at this moment...

face_head's icon

@Jan ... thanks so much man !!!
yes i have narrowed it down to 2 patches , as in the past i had the udp receive going directly into a send , then picking it up in another patch and sending into the osc route chain ... these 2 tiny patches would crash live with the input from the osc coming in ....
i also have another version of this patch with a workaround oscroute when i was going to move to 64 live using regexp (/) @substitute " " , and it also crashes with this ....

so its not the OSC-ROUTE ... and from these routes like i mentioned earlier it just goes to sends and then elsewhere in the session ...
there is at least 50 or so matches thorough out my live set ... allot of mapping to live and other things .. so its a massive task to find the issue....
but ableton and cycling have both said its a problem with the udp , but i mean really there is one param port 10000 , then i don't touch it ..
and its been the same for years.

may i ask when you say "a corrupted automation point" what exactly are you referring to ? you are saying you got a problem with live totally disappearing / locking up like me , and the crash report pointing to udp receive , and it was cause by "a corrupted automation point" ?

cheers

Jan M's icon

@FACE_HEAD

"may i ask when you say "a corrupted automation point" what exactly are you referring to ? "
--> it was just a way to describe that in this case the automation point was the trigger for the crashes. Once I removed it and replaced it it worked. But that was just an example for bug spotting... nothing to do with your case.

Do I understand you right that you switched from 32-bit Live 64-Bit? Do the crashes appear since then?

When you speak about the two patches, are they two separate devices or are they part of the same device?

And just for clarification - I understand that you have several other "receiving" devices in your session. Is that right? Does Live crashe also without these 50+ "receivers" ?

face_head's icon

@Jan

cheers again mannn

"Do I understand you right that you switched from 32-bit Live 64-Bit? Do the crashes appear since then?"

no im still in 32 bit

, as the is some au plugins i cant afford $ to buy rite now that dont support 64 and wrapper not working for me...

"When you speak about the two patches, are they two separate devices or are they part of the same device?"

litterally 2 different .amxd's though i have several versions of this setup , but yes with any version that includes the udp it crashes , if i take the udp out , the set does not crash at all , there is only one udp in the whole set ....

its totally insane

really

its like i just cant use udp at all without a crash....

im going threw a process of elimination now ...

face_head's icon

p.s , yes the patch still crashes with no receivers connected ..

face_head's icon

For the moment the problem has been solved with me backdating max to 6.1.6, Andrew has been brilliant and suggested also increasing the maxquesize on the udp to handle the large and hi res list i have coming in.
so for now im out of trouble and will test later with the increased que in max 6.1.8

thanks so much everyone for your help ... !!!

facé

leapformax's icon

It's got to be the same old reason.
AFAIK EVERY occurring string istance is hashed and stored as symbol forever until max quits.
to check if this is your problem have a NORMAL MESSAGE in max with this exact text inside (respect spaces)
------------------
; max size
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When you click on it, the MAX WINDOW wil tell you the total number of symbols. You have a problem if it increases constantly every second.

Check out our solution on https://www.leapformax.com

face_head's icon

@LEAPFORMAX , thanks so much for the reply .... gonna back date ;) to 6.1.8 to check this... really hoping your fix is the one , based on your description , it really makes sense as it always seems there is something just filling up the whole time my patch is open , ... things do get a little sluggish over time ... thanks so much !!

facé