What are you enjoying in Max 7?


    Nov 18 2014 | 12:31 am
    Now that many of you have had time to download and do a little exploring the latest release, I'm curious to hear what parts of Max 7 are really doing it for you. We read all the threads and we always know what's not working. Here's your chance to tell us what is.

    • Nov 18 2014 | 1:39 am
      I've been using max 7 since its release. I find really a great piece of work. Despite the positive criticism it aroused from the community (more in the direction of adjustments suggestions), the shift to a more friendly interface is really welcome. The overall usability and the growing documentation in a more accessible way makes the learning and programming experience more pleasant most of the time (without loosing the possibility of going deeper, opening the black boxes, grasping the code like in "gen", for instance). And just to be more specific, I could initially point the snippets. It made really easy to access my collection of modular solutions.
    • Nov 18 2014 | 2:01 am
      Snippets and… just discovered typeroute~!
      matteo
    • Nov 18 2014 | 3:12 am
      The whole GUI == fantastic. A huge improvement for my eyes.
      Jitter renders look better than ever.
      [playlist~] is a great addition to the vocabulary. The ability to drop media files into patchers (e.g. drop an audio file onto buffers) is welcomed.
      [retune~]
      M4L inside of Max.
      The File Browser, Collections and the potential of tags is huge.
      Overall, great work C74. Thank you super much :)
    • Nov 18 2014 | 6:03 am
      everything except for the the default color scheme !
    • Nov 18 2014 | 7:41 am
      although it is slightly confusing at first, i think the color schemes are great. often it was jarring to go from my 'themed' M4L patches to the bright white Max 6 patcher window.
      i'm really enjoying the new look. its kind of a future-retro Max 4 look.
      vst snapshots are awesome! I used to play around a lot with vsts in max but got tired of saving all my settings etc. This makes it easy so I'd expect to get back into that again. overall just making it easy to get to all the vst/au plugins will make a big difference in that regard.
      i'm hoping the 'new snippets' will be as useful as they appear to be.
    • Nov 18 2014 | 8:12 am
      Seconding the snippets. Being able to share/access them online would be awesome.
    • Nov 18 2014 | 8:14 am
      The way patch chords are placed is a big improvement. I hardly need to replace objects to keep a good lay-out. This saves me a lot of time. Next to this I find Beap a BIG plus.
    • Nov 18 2014 | 9:09 am
      I'm not sure, but has the cable routing been improved? I'm finding it does a great job now.
      My biggest joy right now is using the Surreal Machines mfl devices in patches. So good.
    • Nov 18 2014 | 9:11 am
      btw, did cycling tease a method for non-realtime timestretching and such?
    • Nov 18 2014 | 9:51 am
      In general the graphics is really more reactive and fast than Max 6.
      I Love the playlist~ object with the possibility to see the waveform, even if it's not yet clear how to manage large soundfile collections (the graphical aspects for instance).
      Will the playlist~ objet substitute the sfplay~/sflist~ objects in the cycling74 plans? Would like to know if the playlist~ object uses a different and more secure way to load soundfiles than the "preload" in sflist~ and sflplay~, that give us many problems yet nowadays)
      Don't love at all the interface: - previous patches are weak and difficult to read - in the new patches all kind of objects are really uniform and difficult to distinguish. - the absence of borders in number boxes, sliders menus, intlet-outlet, nsliders ecc. generates a lot of confusion. It's true that you can change the color scheme BUT the system is not conceived for users who prefer dark text with a light background, because you have no borders. Just gives us back borders! - all the live objets seem to play in a different movie! They simply don't fit in the new global graphic interface.
    • Nov 18 2014 | 9:56 am
      btw, did cycling tease a method for non-realtime timestretching and such?
      Yes, look at stretch~
    • Nov 18 2014 | 10:34 am
      That's the stuff! Thanks, John.
      I think there are many discoveries like that left for us. Someone should do a big project of "everything new in Max7", if that doesn't already exist.
    • Nov 18 2014 | 10:57 am
      Someone should do a big project of "everything new in Max7",
      Yes I've not seen a list of all the new objects / functions. It would be useful for sure. For instance I saw something mentioned about new ways of creating connected objects on the forum somewhere.
      Is there such a list?
    • Nov 18 2014 | 11:33 am
      My absolute favourite: new pitch and time manipulations, saving me disrupting detours via Other Applications... Other than that, I would not even know where to start praising, or what else to single out, there is just so much and I am still snowed under - with just one single exclusion from the list of high praise. It's a big one and it is causing me a lot of headaches over the coming months while I am migrating my tools to 7... but you don't want to hear about it in this thread ;) ...
    • Nov 18 2014 | 12:12 pm
      I have a lot to critizize about max 7 (missing the dongle!, find the interface a bit overloaded, etc) but I didn't bother writing about it since I guess things might improve over time and I didn't customize max for know. What I really love and why I'm going to buy: -The UI is WAY more reactive, I love that. It feels fast, that's soo important. -New Patching mechanisms -snippets -because I teach it and have to be up to date :)
    • Nov 18 2014 | 10:16 pm
      I like the under the hood rewrite which results in faster code! (see the benchmark thread https://cycling74.com/forums/benchmarking-jitters-cpugpu-performance-on-your-computer/?reply_id=309398)
      Faster UI while coding, especially very welcome on retina macbook pro's!
      Resume after a crash. What a life saver that would have been in the past! Related:Going back in time on what you worked on.
      The UI of the canvas I also like very much: it feels like the tools are all there. More actions are integrated in the work flow, like creating snipplets. Great!
      Looking forward to try out the new AVF engine on Mac
      I have the feeling some deep thinking has gone into MAX7, that have resulted in some streamlined and updated fundaments but also a better front end.
      (I also think it's just some minor things like the colorscheme/ readability that have gone a bit too far ;) )
      Really amazed with the overall results, congrats with the release!
    • Nov 18 2014 | 10:53 pm
      I would love to be able to use my iLok instead of wondering whether the (awesome so far, understand the 180 day thing) activation will die on my airgapped machines.
      Just realized the topic of the thread is what are you enjoying!
      Time and pitch, the new interface, and the how you only need to bring patch cables into the vicinity of their destination for them to connect! Cool.
    • Nov 18 2014 | 11:40 pm
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    • Nov 19 2014 | 12:22 am
      "Max7 M4L Presentation.maxpat" is pretty damned awesome.
      >Just realized the topic of the thread is what are you enjoying! heehehehe, seems like that's difficult to see for a lot of people :)
    • Nov 19 2014 | 12:29 am
      More fluid interface(0 clicks) Dirac~ things JS things The new note of monthly expenses, stuck to the refrigerator. Max, Netflix etc...
    • Nov 19 2014 | 12:40 am
      As only a year long user, I do feel M7 offers an easier way to discover, find, learn, and assess details about the language. Frankly all the improvements are positive in my opinion. Many details of the old Max were not sacred to me so I'm generally pretty flexible on all of this.
    • Nov 19 2014 | 3:36 pm
      Fairly new user here, an Ableton user since V2. After a few years dabbling (poorly) with Max for Live I took advantage of the recent crossgrade deal and free Max 7 upgrade.
      So what do I like about Max 7? I think it's good to see a company this mature have the guts to head in a clear, fresh direction and at the same time do a rewrite to streamline performance, that bodes well for future longevity. I like that Max for Live has 'cross pollinated' back towards Max and that we can use full M4L devices n patches now. Dub Machines in Max! :)
      I really am essentially a total noob, a guitar player wanting to free myself from a timeline and eventually create a live setup utilizing granulation and algorithmic processes to back up live improvisation. I'm a VERY long way from approaching even how to start planning such a thing, but I'm certain this is the right path.
      The Gui argument is interesting, gui changes are always tough on people used to working with a tool set for a long time. I'm not particularly keen on light text on a dark background but I have to assume these decisions have been done for good reason, so I'm going to work with the default settings and see how I get on. I have lots of learning to do!
    • Nov 20 2014 | 12:07 am
      Bump!
    • Nov 20 2014 | 10:29 am
      Another thing I like:
    • Nov 20 2014 | 6:19 pm
      one of the most exciting new features is ... that you can edit in the free runtime.
      that will get rid of the requirement of multiple licenses for a quick test of ones networked apps, or allows you to correct small bugs in your runtime-targeted patches on the fly.
      in addition this is the perfect demo version for new users to try out if they like max for as long as they need.
      -110
    • Nov 20 2014 | 6:24 pm
      max 7 also seem to have included another website update. the forum now can be used using safari 4. it looks terrible - but at least it works. during the last 18 months, the forums only worked in safari 3 and safari 5. ;)
    • Nov 21 2014 | 9:48 am
      +1 for amxd~! Was running a sound/light installation on a theatre stage yesterday. very limited stage time to prepare and had only access to the production sound system the same day. I wasn't quite satisfied how the speakers displayed the sound: a few amxd~ with 32 band eqs plunged in and fixed everything.within 10 min!!!
    • Nov 21 2014 | 11:31 pm
      autosnap to connect. big thank you to the person that wrote the algorithm! :) i'm hardly ever actually dragging the cable all the way to the inputs or outputs anymore.
      the patching mechanics shift + shortcuts for inserting between 2 things that are already connected. option and the arrows to get at the patch cords too.
      between these i basically have to update because now i can patch all day without my hand cramping up. :)
      z/shift+z. i don't really believe in sub patching until i'm done using a patch so being able to zoom more fluidly while patching is great. (and i've always run into trouble trying to edit the interface json to change the shortcuts) max as a whole feels more 2 handed now, which makes it feel more "real" to me.
      being able to connect to a "bogus" object. it doesn't really make any sense, but for whatever reason it helps me stay more organized, do less re-arranging, and stay on track not having to set what some of the objects are 1st. (probably because the main objects i'm going to use are the easiest thing to remember, but the what and how i want to get down more quickly and usually in the process of setting up what i want to do i figure something better out anyway. :) )
      btw has anyone been able to modulate the time of the post patch cord connection cable wiggle? lol
    • Nov 23 2014 | 4:57 am
      Just thought I'd stop by and say 'include' in JS is awesome! Now I can split my code up into separate files and avoid getting lost in the scroll. Thank you thank you thank you!
    • Nov 23 2014 | 2:44 pm
      Ok, so it took me a week to get it but I am now totally into the new UI. I am an old timer with dodgy spec correcting eyesight but for me the default display mode is crystal clear and super sexy...What else? The stretch~ and retune~ objects, the new browser, toolbars, max4live compatibility, all big pluses for me, nice one C74!
    • Nov 28 2014 | 7:01 am
      holding shift with auto connections!
      thank you!
    • Nov 28 2014 | 8:33 am
      I'm really liking the crash restore. It's really helped stop the rage quits as I'm still learning the basics.
    • Nov 29 2014 | 10:20 am
      The calendar is proving to be pretty nifty little tool. It would be good though if the user could select items for removal. Or even just a tick box for saying yes or no to include internal patches.
    • Nov 30 2014 | 7:38 am
      That the Max7-scheduler uses nearly no CPU when at idle is much better for the battery-life. Thanks!
      And I like the improved motion-based inlet detection algorithm while patching (with the little bright touch-points).
    • Dec 01 2014 | 9:12 pm
      yeah, now that i've been using it long enough, i'm loving the calendar. it's the best software note taking/diary/to do list i've used because you can actually use and do stuff with what's there in the same environment, so it's the only one i've been able to stick with using! :) the only thing i've used as useful as paper - but in a different way. :)
      is there anyway to get at the guts of it though? :) i'd really like to add a global, monthyly + yearly index. i'd use these overviews to diagram/link relationships and add tags/metadata. i assume in a few months it'll get outa hand otherwise.
    • Dec 01 2014 | 9:48 pm
      Thanks for the positive feedback about the calendar. This is a work in progress and we're interested to hear what would make it more useful. In the next update you'll be able to switch to a stream view of your work. If you want to look at the calendar file it's in your preferences folder (use the Preferences window toolbar to open that folder) in a file called maxcalendar.json. There's absolutely no protection against corrupting the file, and there are a few bugs related to how dates are stored (also fixed in the next update), so it's kind of a mess at the moment. I'd be interested to hear more about what an index might do and/or look like.