Whaaaaaat..........why would such a helpful forum contributor go through and delete all his posts?
Maybe he deleted his profile/membership, and that auto-deleted his posts. If that's the case, then that aspect of the forum *needs* to be fixed; current and future max-ers will be deprived of a lot of very useful material!
Also, I'm saddened that anyone would feel the need to leave in the first place. I don't think I know the surrounding situation, but it's very unfortunate no matter what happened.
As always with your big posts raja, there's a lot in there that I agree and disagree with.
One thing I feel compelled to say is this: As a 28 year old sophomore, I am so so so proud. My brain goes from off to on most days in a truly profound manner.
As a GED student, I thought I would never be capable of reading more than a short forum post or writing a max comment. I tormented myself but ultimately proved myself wrong. What a wonderful feeling.
There's a lot of anti college ideas out there. Not just from Fox News. Someone recently told me I was better off learning to weld than spend 4 years in college. "Academia is so isolated," seems like the most academic thing to say these days.
Screw it. I'm not proud of much. I am proud of being a student.
wow, that was long. ^^ and somehow i suspected exactly such a thing, because
the pattern seemed somehow familiar.
it is tempting now to tell you i can "agree" with many things you said about the capitalistic
economy, and why it can get frustrating to try to do free work in such an enviroment.
or even free thinking.
it is tempting to say i "agree" about many things you said about academic science,
the coolness of technology, about max4live´s real estate (in our sense), and finally
about the significance of the max forum for your life and work.
why is me posting here anyway? ah yeah, right, that must have started when our
"falling forward" community dissappeared in 2002 because we lost half the
membership to the enormous "possibilties" youtube and similar religions
"offered" to people.
but when you continue digging, there will always be a new underground.
btw, i disagree about the relationship between elitism and profitism.
in the max world, elitism often appeared on the opposition side as well.
if you play it good, it can work out just fine. :)
it is not wrong to totally question yourself from time to time.
it is just a pity that you usually only do it when something sad happens
in your family or neighbourhood.
three months ago a friend of mine died and one week later i had to find out
that my best female fried (who i have a deep emotional p2p friendship with)
suffers from borderline. (something where the friends and family of this
person also suffer from without noticing it - until they find it out :D)
these two and few other things and a together caused a strong cognitive
dissonance for me recently, which lasted over days.
so i feel like saying "i understand" :)
after reading rajas post most people might find it still irrational that he deleted
his posts before leaving. but for him it is surely not. it is not over emotional
or phsychotic, it is just consequent. the consequence of someone reflecting
and finding new answers.
I have always thought of this forum as a mutually beneficial resource, for reciprocal learning. It is a great shame (or joy?) that raja had to endure such a fundamental epiphany, as he has contributed so much, in my opinion.
You gotta do whatcha gotta do.
that's too bad, raja was a max wizard. seems he took these forums a bit too seriously tho :/ but if deleting all his posts and quitting the max forums will make him a happier person, then more power to him.
Many interesting points in Raja's post, some of which I agree with.
One issue that I can especially relate to is his point that he can't find many interesting projects done with Max. The reason why, I believe, is this: most interesting projects involve serious software engineering. But Max is not (yet?) geared towards serious software engineering.
Unlike Raja, I find Max very useful as a prototyping language and for educational purposes for many different reasons. I also believe it contains many concepts that are far ahead of time and that will be added to well-known programming environments in the future. But whenever I choose Max as a backbone for a heavy duty software project, I have to spend -a lot- of time working around the limitations and bugs that I encounter along the way.
I don't report many of the problems I encounter. Why not? The Cycling team consists of friendly, talented and motivated people and I believe there is a true intention to help everyone get along with Max, even people like me that work on what they experience to be unnecessarily complex patches. Why not help them and myself by reporting problems I run into?
The essential problem is that the company is just too small to provide an environment for 'serious' software development. There is no time to investigate or reply to any other report than simple reproducible bugs in simple patches. There is no time to maintain a list of which bugs have been reported but not yet solved. There is simply not the time for the development team themselves to actually use Max as a programming language for more than simple patches, so there is no hands-on experience with the limitations that occur when patches get as large as they get when creating an application that involves a serious amount of time, money and maybe even revenue.
This is all fine. I don't expect Cycling '74 to do anything more than they already do. Max is a great accomplishment and I have great respect for the people developing it. But for projects that really aim for a next level, use Max as a prototyping environment and then switch to C++. And if you are in a luxurious position, please take the time to report at least the simple bugs and limitations you come across. This is what I learned after squeezing pretty much everything out of Max that is humanly possible.
@ Raja. You helped med out a few times, and I greatly appreciated it. I'v noticed you have been all over this forum, and I think I speak for everyone when I say: TANK YOU FOR ALL THE HELP!!
good luck to you.
Hey, if you gotta go, you gotta go. I recommend rock climbing as an excellent antidote to online forum angst - as a friend put it, there's nothing quite like your hind-brain being afraid for your life on a regular basis to put things in perspective.
I'll miss your posts. Good luck and plain sailing!