Thanks for the replies Nic, what I am trying to put infront of the jit.pwindow is more complex than the dot I have included, its a bpatcher with loads of content, unfortunately it just sits behind the jit.pwindow taunting me!

jit.pwindow with matrix data can have objects in front of it, but jit.pwindow using GL rendering can't. Not sure why.

I've had to settle on a pretty ugly work around for now, adding and removing the jit.pwindow from presentation mode with [presentation $1]. This results in some rather ugly, transient distortion, especially when the app I'm building switches between full screen mode being on/off.

yes, as you've discovered, you cannot layer non-opengl elements over opengl contexts.

i used a transparent patcher in a similar situation