Andrew Benson

We're excited to present to you our first iOS app, Mira for iPad. Mira automatically connects to your patch and gives you immediate touch control of your user interface.

https://cycling74.com/articles/its-mira-time/

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/mira-controller/id649586480?ls=1&mt=8

https://cycling74.com/articles/its-mira-time/
https://cycling74.com/products/mira/

App Store link:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/mira-controller/id649586480?ls=1&mt=8


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If I put the mira object in an abstraction, will it work ?

PS. I will without any doubt, buy it but... may I add I would have been very happy with a price a little bit lower.

In this initial release, there isn't support for bpatchers with Mira. You can however use it inside of an abstraction. Anywhere you add a mira.frame object to your patch, you will create a UI page that shows up on Mira. This lets you add frames (views) from different subpatches or multiple frames in the same patch.

In this initial release, there isn't support for bpatchers with Mira.  You can however use it inside of an abstraction.  Anywhere you add a mira.frame object to your patch, you will create a UI page that shows up on Mira.  This lets you add frames (views) from different subpatches or multiple frames in the same patch.


Does it support max4live devices at the moment?

Hi, this looks great!
Does it support max4live devices at the moment?
Thanks


Damn university network must have access points disabled. :-(

@stringtapper you can set up an ad hoc wifi network on your laptop, but that won't help with other wired school devices.

http://compnetworking.about.com/od/wireless/ht/setupadhocwifi.htm

That's what I had to do to run a quick test, but I need to be on the network. I'll have to play at home then.

I did notice that ezdac~ has an 'm' on it now but doesn't seem to show up in Mira. A future supported object?

As I have been working quite a lot on angular velocity with L***r recently I really like the presence of the mira.mt.rotate object, however I'd like it even more if it was also able to track a single-finger rotation around the center of the mira.multitouch surface.

Cool program. Congratulations! The self-connecting feature worked fine for me on a non-university network. Will test more when I'm on campus.

My first gripe: I find that the UI objects change their value by + or - 1 or 2 when I release touch of the iPad screen. I don't think that's an unavoidable fact of touchscreen life, since TouchOSC doesn't do that. But it happens consistently, no matter how carefully I try to remove my finger from the iPad screen. That's pretty darn problematic for serious use. Any advice?

Please please please add a "Mira Mode" to Max patches, so you can have a coding layout, a computer UI layout, and a Mira layout, all with the same objects, without having to make a miniature/duplicate UI to fit on an iPad.

Seems to be some issues. Mira quitted and Max crashed several times (not every time) upon mira helpfiles loading in Max. Crahlog attached to the message.

Is the Mira-Max duo supposed to work correctly whatever being the first one started ?

Congratulations on the release, guys. Great stuff!

Any sort of roadmap for objects that you can share with us? I use Lemurs for grid-based music, but I can only really see individual buttons here? matrixctl, live.step, that sorta thing?

Doing hundreds of live.button thingies doesn't sound like fun, hehe.

Congratulations on the release, guys. Great stuff! 

Doing hundreds of live.button thingies doesn't sound like fun, hehe.


This is so badass. Completely changing how I'm working with max/displays/controllers.

A little bug, the comment object in Mira doesn't display font descenders correctly (ie the dangling bit of "y" and "g" get cut off).

Max for live devices with multisilders dont show up on Mira (ipad)

Some sequencer / slider examples would be great.

Max for live devices with multisilders dont show up on Mira (ipad)
Some sequencer / slider examples would be great.


here is a 'scrolling' multislider interface for mira

Here are a couple other things. A little autoharp and a quick mira adaption of the rgraino bpatcher,

Thanks Matthew¡ any change your m4live suite will be Mira compatible?

Had not really thought about m4l suite. Mira opens up so many possibilities I'm a bit overwhelmed as to what to work on next. I think the most pressing need are some simple, fun, standalone mira examples to help people get started and illustrate what is possible. But I think mira is most compelling as a tool for people to build their own things.

Took me all of 30 seconds to make the purchase. This is a huge plus for some of us. Thank you.

Took me all of 30 seconds to make the purchase.  This is a huge plus for some of us.  Thank you.


Amazing! I can't wait to spend some quality time with Mira.

I'll echo Chris Dobrian's gripe though. I was able to get the value of a slider to stay put a couple of times by VERY carefully removing my finger, but in a live performance I don't see being able to focus that intently on the task.

Maybe some type of sensitivity control could be added eventually?

Can't wait to see how this develops over the next year or so!

I'll echo Chris Dobrian's gripe though. I was able to get the value of a slider to stay put a couple of times by VERY carefully removing my finger, but in a live performance I don't see being able to focus that intently on the task. 

Maybe some type of sensitivity control could be added eventually? 

Can't wait to see how this develops over the next year or so!


Just got it from App Store. Fantastic invention. Congratulations to all Max users :-)

is this Mac only? the download seems only to contain a max installer...

Huge and almost insane in a so good way ! Also had a crash on first launch after having the ipad2 reflecting mira's helpfile and it has crashed twice when I chose the 'supported ui objects tab'.

There seems to be no way to have the live.gain~ appear... and live.meter appears but doesn't update the level metering. And I second the point of having the walue changing too easily when you take off your finger from the screen.

Congrats to the cycling team and particularly Dude837,'if that's your real name'. :)) Was already a fan of your tutorials, now you are my morning hero !

Huge and almost insane in a so good way ! Also had a crash on first launch after having the ipad2 reflecting mira's helpfile and it has crashed twice when I chose the 'supported ui objects tab'.
There seems to be no way to have the live.gain~ appear... and live.meter appears but doesn't update the level metering. And I second the point of having the walue changing too easily when you take off your finger from the screen.
Congrats to the cycling team and particularly Dude837,'if that's your real name'. :)) Was already a fan of your tutorials, now you are my morning hero !


can anyone confirm whether they've found a windows installer? thx

please please does this work for windows. This is awesome. waiting for confirmation so i can buy app.

The connection seems very stable and ultra fast. :)

+1 for a "Mira Mode" (it is a pain to rewrite all your UIs in 4:3 aspect ratio)

-Why not add some objects valuable for jitter users like -perhaps limited- pwindow version?

-Textedit! I do remember c74.app supported this object.

Fpic is crashing max every time, dump report attached.

Hi,
good work indeed!
The connection seems very stable and ultra fast. :)
+1 for a "Mira Mode" (it is a pain to rewrite all your UIs in 4:3 aspect ratio)
+1 for windows version
-Why not add some objects valuable for jitter users like -perhaps limited- pwindow version?
-Textedit! I do remember c74.app supported this object.
The issue:
Fpic is crashing max every time, dump report attached.
Cheers.


This might be an interesting watch for anyone who missed it :)

Congrats ! Seems to work perfectly with my iPad...

However, I have a crash each time I go in the "mira.frame help" and launch the Supported Ui Objects tab with my iPad connected. If my iPad is not connected to Max, there is no crash at all...

Thanks for putting up Sam's presentation Sean - so disappointed not to have made it this year.

@Bart : same bug with mira.frame help second tab.

@Bart : same bug with mira.frame help second tab.
+1 for a Mira mode.


Question: is it possible to upload pictures to the iPad with Mira (just like the c74 external)?

For some reason, I can't connect using our (home) wifi network, saying the connection is refused. We've got a pretty standard setup I'd say, so I'm a bit puzzled by this - anyone else having problems?

It does work fine with an 'Ad Hoc' connection, which may be a better way to go anyway. And it looks great!

For some reason, I can't connect using our (home) wifi network, saying the connection is refused.  We've got a pretty standard setup I'd say, so I'm a bit puzzled by this - anyone else having problems?

It does work fine with an 'Ad Hoc' connection, which may be a better way to go anyway.  And it looks great!


it's crashing immediately on 10.8 on my mac pro. It works [does not crash on my 10.6 laptop] who do i send the error codes to?

Great stuff. Connecting via network: "it just works"

“mira.frame help” almost always crashes MIRA on my iPad though.

Great stuff. Connecting via network: "it just works"
“mira.frame help” almost always crashes MIRA on my iPad though.


Thanks everyone for the crash reports. Fortunately, I've figured out the bug in mira.frame's helpfile (something to do with fpic) and I'm working on the solution now. Should have a fix out as soon as possible.

just let us know where we go for our bug finders discount.

I have the same exact problem. I got it to work one time, after setting up an ad hock network, and then deleting it, but my regular wifi says refused 99% of the times I've tried it.

"For some reason, I can’t connect using our (home) wifi network, saying the connection is refused. We’ve got a pretty standard setup I’d say, so I’m a bit puzzled by this – anyone else having problems?"

is anyone else on a mac pro with 10.8.4? I cannot get it to run at all :-(

I tried it yesterday on my 10.8.4 mbp Using the house network and it worked right away.

Is it possible to access data from the camera?

aarghhh! i bought right away but relized after there is no win version of mira package. sadness.

I hope we will now also see native touch support on Windows! Why would I want to carry a second device?

Yeah I'd suggest that at £35, a warning about Windows (non)compatibility might be something to have in big letters at the top!

I'll hold out for a few versions and see how it develops, it certainly looks like the Max integration is great, it just doesn't do anything too unique for me yet. Well done to the developers though!

This looks like a great tool but it's a pity the Mac-only nature of the desktop part of Mira doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere on the app's page in the App Store.

As a result I went ahead and bought Mira only to discover that I can't actually use it as I'm on a Windows 7 laptop.

When is a Windows version of mira.frame etc being released?

If it's not coming soon, can I please get a refund?

Can you also please update the description on the App Store because at the moment, the information is pretty misleading.

This looks like a great tool but it's a pity the Mac-only nature of the desktop part of Mira doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere on the app's page in the App Store.  

I have to say, for 50 bucks I would have expected a little bit more care on the details, the design is merely at prototype level, but it's so convenient that I'll close an eye for a while... :)

- mira.multitouch is able to detect swipe gestures, but you are limited to get only a unique fingers amount. Being able to detect more gestures at a time would really widen possibilities.

Also, would be helpful to have a "transparent mode", to have display-sized mira.multitouch that detects gestures, but leave the user the ability of controlling what's beneath.

A couple requests:
- mira.multitouch is able to detect swipe gestures, but you are limited to get only a unique fingers amount. Being able to detect more gestures at a time would really widen possibilities.
Also, would be helpful to have a "transparent mode", to have display-sized mira.multitouch that detects gestures, but leave the user the ability of controlling what's beneath.
- live.step, nothing to add

i assume there will be a very quick update to fix the non-functionality for what seems like ALOT of us. Besides Luminair and Lemur, this is the most expensive app i have purchased and i have to admit i am a little disappointed that it's basically unusable for me. I hope my problem is not unique and will be remedied quickly, but some statement from Cycling would be comforting.

@shreeswifty As Sam mentioned above, we have identified the source of the crashing and will do our best to get a quick fix out there.

We've now updated our App Store description to be more clear about the lack of Windows support. We can't give any predictions at this time for Windows support, but it is on our list of things to look at. Thanks everyone for all the feature requests and early reports. We really appreciate the feedback and will consider everything as we plan our next steps with Mira.

@shreeswifty As Sam mentioned above, we have identified the source of the crashing and will do our best to get a quick fix out there.  

We've now updated our App Store description to be more clear about the lack of Windows support. We can't give any predictions at this time for Windows support, but it is on our list of things to look at.  Thanks everyone for all the feature requests and early reports. We really appreciate the feedback and will consider everything as we plan our next steps with Mira.


Thank you so much for developing this sam and co. You've done an amazing job. I went and ought an ipad just for this purpose! It works great

* decent timing. (Can't do anything rhythmic)

* a more user controllable interface (jsui, LCD, pwindow)

Those are probably design limitations due to the ipad needing to function via network though so don't let those wishes detract from your accomplishments! Congrats

Thank you so much for developing this sam and co.   You've done an amazing job.  I went and ought an ipad just for this purpose!  It works great

Wishes :
* decent timing. (Can't do anything rhythmic)
* a more user controllable interface (jsui, LCD, pwindow)

Those are probably design limitations due to the ipad needing to function via network though so don't let those wishes detract from your accomplishments!  Congrats


I made a little xy box (one finger only and only works in presentation mode)

i have to always notice that a lot of MaxMSP add-ons are still OSx-centric. i guess that is because the majority of developers work on apple platform. i can prove that i've used win based laptops ( quality stuff with quality audio cards ) in hundreds of live gigs in the last ten years without problems. and i use win based stuff in compositional and studio work as well. But still the majority of audio people is on OSx. Which is fine. Only i have to accept that many interesting stuff is OSx only. Sad truth, but truth. Thanks to all the developers for their work anyway! I'll wait patiently for Mira, Taptools 4, Plugtastic etc. for win systems.

kind of sadness :-).
i have to always notice that a lot of MaxMSP add-ons are still OSx-centric. i guess that is because the majority of developers work on apple platform.  i can prove that i've used win based laptops ( quality stuff with quality audio cards ) in hundreds of live gigs in the last ten years without problems. and i use win based stuff in compositional and studio work as well. But still the majority of audio people is on OSx. Which is fine. Only i have to accept that many interesting stuff is OSx only. Sad truth, but truth. Thanks to all the developers for their work anyway! I'll wait patiently for Mira, Taptools 4, Plugtastic etc. for win systems.


Quite shocked this is only Windows also - there seems no mention of it until you get the download ZIP and it's Mac only... unfortunately, I had already purchased from the app store....

purchased too soon here too. i can only wait for win version to come sooner or later ( hope for "sooner" )

Max crashes when I use my standard wifi network (I also had an error -61). I can get a working connection with an ad-hoc network.

Working? Well, only 1 out of the 6 projects in the "project" folder does work. And as stated earlier, cleaner patches wouldn't hurt!

mira.motion crashed Max the first time I opened its help file.

With mira.multitouch, I got "xebra_global: XEBConnection_WriteUDP Error 40 Message too long

And now, Mira is freezed (even the menu icon doesn't react).

c74, if you need a beta tester next time you release a new product, don't hesitate to contact me. But please don't release 45€ alpha versions, first take some time to get something presentable.

With mira.multitouch, I got "xebra_global: XEBConnection_WriteUDP Error 40 Message too long
" errors.

c74, if you need a beta tester next time you release a new product, don't hesitate to contact me. But please don't release 45€ alpha versions, first take some time to get something presentable.


Now that I killed Mira, I get this: xebra_global: XEBConnection_Read: Socket reached EOF 70014

Now that I killed Mira, I get this: xebra_global: XEBConnection_Read: Socket reached EOF 70014
in Max' window.


“xebra_global: XEBConnection_WriteUDP Error 40 Message too long

I echo Patrick Delges' sentiment, i would have loved to beta test this with Testflight or whatever, at 45 euros and 49$ people expect a bit more.

i booted into 10.6.8 i get this too:
 “xebra_global: XEBConnection_WriteUDP Error 40 Message too long
” errors.

I echo Patrick Delges' sentiment, i would have loved to beta test this with Testflight or whatever, at 45 euros and 49$ people expect a bit more.


Thanks for all the excitement and great feedback. We're currently working on a Windows version of the Max package which will be available in the coming weeks. Apologies for the confusion there and for the issues many of you have been experiencing. As is typically the case with new software, there are a few kinks we're ironing out.

We'll be updating the product page, and also release a new Mac package of the Mira externals with some fixes in the next couple of days. The projects folder (which has several old and not working examples) shouldn't have been included. We'll take it out of coming releases.

Thanks again, and please continue to let us know how we can improve Mira for your needs.

it run well on my macbook air 10.8.4, ipad mini

I have download mira, great job
it run well on my macbook air 10.8.4, ipad mini

but, unfortunately, I was unable to use it with my home WIFI network (I use a very standard Apple TimeCapsule, with basic settings)

Mira can see my mac during a couple of seconds when I create a Mira.frame in Max.. and then : Max crash. (Max 6.1.3 (13a2369))

(my macPro doesn't have a WIFI card.. so this is really a problem !!)

Is it supposed to work on a Wifi with Wep or WPA encryption ?

creating an ad-Hoc WIFI on my macBookPro :

- Max crash when opening Mira.maxhelp patch ("supported ui objects" tab)

- I had a couple of Mira crash on the iPad as well..

(but is it the right place to send crash logs ?…)

This first version is very promising.. but yet very 'alpha'.

I think we are a couple of users here that would have been very happy to beta-test and help making Mira bullet-proofed before this first release...

Personally, I would *really* have loved to beta test this new product !

I was about to say : Mira is here, MMF RIP ! ( 

http://www.mathieuchamagne.com/category/code/mmf/

but… actually, MMF-Fantastick has a working waveform~ display.. and it's free :-)

(but I'm sure your TODO list is still very long.. and full of cool features, right ?)

but, unfortunately, I was unable to use it with my home WIFI network (I use a very standard Apple TimeCapsule, with basic settings)
Mira can see my mac during a couple of seconds when I create a Mira.frame in Max.. and then : Max crash. (Max 6.1.3 (13a2369))
(my macPro doesn't have a WIFI card.. so this is really a problem !!)
Is it supposed to work on a Wifi with Wep or WPA encryption ?

creating an ad-Hoc WIFI on my macBookPro :
Mira "kind of" work :
- Max crash when opening Mira.maxhelp patch ("supported ui objects" tab)
- I had a couple of Mira crash on the iPad as well..
(but is it the right place to send crash logs ?…)

This first version is very promising.. but yet very 'alpha'.
 I think we are a couple of users here that would have been very happy to beta-test and help making Mira bullet-proofed before this first release...
Personally, I would *really* have loved to beta test this new product !

I was about to say : Mira is here, MMF RIP ! ( http://www.mathieuchamagne.com/category/code/mmf/ )
but… actually, MMF-Fantastick has a working waveform~ display.. and it's free :-)
(but I'm sure your TODO list is still very long.. and full of cool features, right ?)

Great! I've been waiting for something like this for who knows how long..! Here are my early-adopter requests so far.

I'd love to have support for mirroring graphical output as well as UI input.

That way there would be some form of visual feedback coming back into Mira aside from just the locally changing UI controls.

The top two of these would have to be MaxScore (

 for being able to see notation on the iPad running Mira, and jit.window for seeing the effects of the UI changes in graphics output.

If the prospective upsides of developing Mira into a 2-way app aren't enough alone, I would also gladly pay extra (as in-app purchase?) for an output expansion pack.. BUT... at the price of $50 I would maybe sort of hope this could be included in the base price! :)

I'd love to have support for mirroring graphical output as well as UI input.
That way there would be some form of visual feedback coming back into Mira aside from just the locally changing UI controls.

The top two of these would have to be MaxScore (http://www.computermusicnotation.com/) for being able to see notation on the iPad running Mira, and jit.window for seeing the effects of the UI changes in graphics output.

If the prospective upsides of developing Mira into a 2-way app aren't enough alone, I would also gladly pay extra (as in-app purchase?) for an output expansion pack.. BUT... at the price of $50 I would maybe sort of hope this could be included in the base price! :)


Towards a similar end would be the ideal to have fpic assets be kept locally (on the iPad) once added. That way you can at least use fpic as a sort of 'notation' object by pushing rendered images to it. Not as convenient as having something like bach/maxscore/external implementation, but would be very helpful.

At the moment, every time you change fpic it reuploads the picture again, adding a bit of lag.

Accessing camera data would be huge.. even without a standard video feed, the raw data alone could be used for all sorts of stuff.. motion detection, etc. Would be cool. There are wifi camera apps available so apple makes the camera remotely accessible...

Accessing camera data would be huge..  even without a standard video feed, the raw data alone could be used for all sorts of stuff.. motion detection, etc.  Would be cool.  There are wifi camera apps available so apple makes the camera remotely accessible...


One quick comment regarding the difficulty in making sliders stay put when releasing your finger.. Aside from the fact that the issue will likely get handled in subsequent updates, I think the multitouch surface is unique as an input device because of it's sensitivity and dynamics. It's probably similar to how signals require custom configuration to smooth them out and make them sound right.. it may be that similar patching is required to make the multitouch respond in particular ways.

One quick comment regarding the difficulty in making sliders stay put when releasing your finger..  Aside from the fact that the issue will likely get handled in subsequent updates, I think the multitouch surface is unique as an input device because of it's sensitivity and dynamics. It's probably similar to how signals require custom configuration to smooth them out and make them sound right.. it may be that similar patching is required to make the multitouch respond in particular ways.


I have purchased and successfully installed Mira on my ipad, however I don't seem to have the mira.frame object available in Max. Just updated from 6.1.0 to 6.1.3 on OSX 10.8.4. When I try to create a mira.frame object in my own patch or open another's patch containing a mira.frame, I get a "mira.frame: no such object" message.

Announcing MIRA, a new way to connect with your Max patches