Bill Johnson

With the recent announcement of macOS Mojave Apple stated that it is deprecating support for OpenGL in favor of Metal.

Are their plans to support Metal (and Vulkan) with Vizzie 2?

With the recent announcement of macOS Mojave Apple stated that it is deprecating support for OpenGL in favor of Metal.
Are their plans to su

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As my colleague Rob Ramirez has said, OpenGL's not going anywhere for the time being. We'll keep careful tabs on things and make the best decisions we can for our product and our users. My little friend Vizzie 2 is going forward right along with the rest of Max. Fear not.

Can anybody give me a feeling what deprecation of OpenGL on Mac means ?

Max' Jitter especially jit.gen offers a nice way to handle 3D graphics for artists but there are many use cases that require programming your own shaders in order to achieve pleasing frame rates. Which raises the question - Is it worth spending the time on learning GLSL in depth when OpenGL seems to get outdated?

Would the architecture of Metal (e.g. using explicit synchronization and shared memory space between GPU and CPU ) somehow be suited better to jit.gen like programming approaches?

Can anybody give me a feeling what deprecation of OpenGL on Mac means ?
Max' Jitter especially jit.gen offers a nice way to handle 3D graphics for artists but there are many use cases that require programming your own shaders in order to achieve pleasing frame rates. Which raises the question - Is it worth spending the time on learning GLSL in depth when OpenGL seems to get outdated?
Would the architecture of Metal (e.g. using explicit synchronization and shared memory space between GPU and CPU ) somehow be suited better to jit.gen like programming approaches?

Transition to Metal/DX is something which may have a positive consequences. In my opinion Jitter required a a kind of "reboot" - a general cleanup and abandonment of ballast from old times; putting unique things (such as gen) in the foreground. Migration to the new frameworks may be a good opportunity to do this. I have a very good feeling about this situation.

OpenGL itself isn't being deprecated, just the implementation on a Mac, this is probably more a result of Apple beginning to make its own GPU chips for iOS already(if anything, i'm more worried about the effect it'll have on my shares of NVidia stock as a result 😋😅).

ah yes, you may have a point there, but GLSL isn't too difficult to learn as far as languages are concerned(i'd say it's worth 'spending the time' but might be more subjective on the 'in depth' part of it 😉 ...depends on exactly how much time you think it'll take you to get 'in depth', if you're an absolute beginner to programming in general, you might as well spend time learning more basics of programming in other languages, but i bet there is some crossover between all these shader-programming languages so if it's interesting to you, by all means go for it, can't hurt to learn many different languages(your brain will thank you when you're older for helping it remain resilient and malleable, it's one of the many secrets of staying young, this is one thing you can trust me on... not that you don't know more than this about me, i don't know your age or what you already know, but just sharing something i'm excited to have discovered more recently)).

you are probably aware of this semantic difference but just to be clear: jit.gen and jit.pix are both "matrix operators" on the CPU(someone correct me if i'm wrong), it's only 'jit.gl.pix' that would be effected by this, and I'm pretty sure Cycling74 will probably be able to just rework it somehow around metal or create some kind of "Metal Wrapper" (see how they just added that MC stuff to so many signal objects recently, so easily just like that? 

"Yo! MC Wrappin -> best thing that ever happened to hip-hop, bruh! 🤩😁 wut wut! 🙌 🙌"...now they can do that for metal music 🙉🤣 

....*ahem* sorry, still early for me 😋)

most of all, you can see with gen in general, it's a Cycling74-specific language and way of working(you're not programming GLSL directly there), so i'm pretty sure that's evidence they could rework it under-the-hood(of course, there's always growing-pains at the beginning of every change.... but hey, at least it's not as bad as groin-pain.... wait... wut? 🙈.... think i better go grab a coffee).

Which raises the question - Is it worth spending the time on learning GLSL in depth when OpenGL seems to get outdated?

Would the architecture of Metal (e.g. using explicit synchronization and  shared memory space between GPU and CPU ) somehow be suited better to  jit.gen like programming approaches?

you are probably aware of this semantic difference but just to be clear: jit.gen and jit.pix are both "matrix operators" on the CPU(someone correct me if i'm wrong), it's only 'jit.gl.pix' that would be effected by this, and I'm pretty sure Cycling74 will probably be able to just rework it somehow around metal or create some kind of "Metal Wrapper" (see how they just added that MC stuff to so many signal objects recently, so easily just like that? 
"Yo! MC Wrappin -> best thing that ever happened to hip-hop, bruh! 🤩😁  wut wut! 🙌 🙌"...now they can do that for metal music 🙉🤣 
....*ahem* sorry, still early for me 😋)

most of all, you can see with gen in general, it's a Cycling74-specific language and way of working(you're not programming GLSL directly there), so i'm pretty sure that's evidence they could rework it under-the-hood(of course, there's always growing-pains at the beginning of every change.... but hey, at least it's not as bad as groin-pain.... wait... wut? 🙈.... think i better go grab a coffee).


Apple deprecating OpenGL on macOS