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endlesshappiness

I cannot get the clue bar to go away. In the max preferences I've turned off the "Clues in toolbar" setting as well as unchecked "Clue Bar Shown by Default." In the patcher inspector windows I've set "Show Clue Bar on Open" to No (including subpatcher inspectors). But no matter what, when I open a patch it's there and I have to manually uncheck Clue Bar in the view menu for it to go away. Additionally, if I turn that setting off in the view menu for a subpatcher, close it, then reopen it the setting has returned.

I have confirmed that these setting are off in the preferences and inspector. Not sure if this is a bug or if I'm just configuring max or the patchers wrong. Would love some help with this.

I'm on mac os 14.5 (23F79), max version 9.09.

I cannot get the clue bar to go away. In the max preferences I've turned off the "Clues in toolbar" setting as well as unchecked "Clue Bar...

Can't turn off clue bar?