Extreme distorsion of the signal

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Hello,

I would like to ask about how is possible obtain this extreme distorsion signal without clipping (above 0 dB).

Maybe with tanh~ with high values?.

Thanks in advance.

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clipping happens at ever amplitude level if you clip.

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Please Roman, Can you put an example?.

👽'tW∆s ∆lienz👽's icon

for that distortion, there's many ways, most can involve simply modulating signals with noise~/pink~ objects or any other way you might generate noisy signals...
you could even use waveshaping(see 'cheby' example)...
here's a patch that might demonstrate what Roman mentioned, and then helps play with noisy modulation of clipping points(instead of clip~ i used pong~ so you can change away from clipping mode and check out other more subtle forms of distortion if you want)...
but clipping itself is not always necessary to get that sound(just noisy modulation itself without any clipping can create that; try multiplying any signal by just [pink~]/[noise~]-multiplied-by-0.2(reduce the amount of noise compared to dry signal) and then pushing the combination with overblown amplitude through tanh~)... so many ways...

Max Patch
Copy patch and select New From Clipboard in Max.

(to get that patch going quick, change the menu to the far right to select clipping style, then adjust the 'steady-value to clip at' number box... also, i created the clipping so it's always bipolar, but you could leave the minimum value at a constant value of 0. and also try rectified/absolute-value signals... they also carry a similar sound to that example you posted)
hope it helps 🍻

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Many thanks Raja!.

If I want to use a sound to modify it as a noise effect processor, Should I plug the sample in the pong~ signal/float INPUT as it happens with the cycle~?.

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plug the sample in the pong~ signal/float INPUT as it happens with the cycle~?

ya exactly, i left a comment there that you could swap cycle~ with adc~ to get your mic input straight in, but any sampler input (groove~, etc.) will work the same, just remove cycle~(and also that live.step sequencer, etc.) and substitute with whatever input you like 👍

[Edit: also, other distortion objects to try might be degrade~ and overdrive~, their helpfiles have sample-playback setup to try out pretty quickly/easily]

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And the last thing, I am using the limi~ and I would like to know if this limiter is suitable to mastering the final result.

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ya, it's enough to limit it(mastering depends on your own subjective idea of sound-quality, so there are other things you can do to master, such as use omx.comp~, going into omx.peaklim~, or use your own vst~), but i do use limi~ quite a bit these days(i set the threshold at -0.2, and lookahead at 400(more lookahead seems to help accuracy))... since it's a newer object i can't claim to be an expert on it, but like it so far.

[edit: if you only have one signal going through tanh~ at the end, you might not even need limi~ but i don't want to say that, because an extra limi~ at the output(especially if you're experimenting), can help protect your ears and equipment... just keep in mind it can alter the sound further... play with the threshold, but never go above 0., this can help gain familiarity with the effect]

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Thx Raja!.