AudioMatt

Before I go  crazy doing this myself,  I'm trying to write something like function but confined inside a rectangle inside jsui.  That requires cropping.  So.   If anyone has a decent geometry library going for JSUI I'd greatly appreciate it.

Before I go  crazy doing this myself,  I'm trying to write something like function but confined inside a rectangle inside jsui.  That requir

jsui-geometry-library

Your best bet with this is to use an offscreen MGraphics instance that you draw the contents of your cropped rectangle into, and then in your primary context, set that instance as the fill source but using 'set_source_surface(surface);'

var instance = new MGraphics(w,h);
instance.ellipse(x,y,w,h);
instance.fill();
mgraphics.set_source_surface(instance);
mgraphics.rect(x,y,w,h);
mgraphics.fill();

@andrew  re set_source_surface:   HOLY BALLS WHERE IS THAT DOCUMENTED?!   I just wasted 3 days finding and learning Liang Barsky Clipping to get around this! 

gonna try it now.  Ug that'll be frustrating (albeit more elegant) if it works.  I wrote and used a whole geometry library to do that clipping.

Nope...  wait this doesn't work at all as far as I can tell andrew.

Nope...   this doesn't work at all as far as I can tell andrew.   I thought it was but no dice.

Just digging in to the mgraphics examples...  (Which I feel like I've used a million times) but I'm noticing now that...

The connector example instantly started spitting out errors when I tried to use it.  Like it's totally non functional.

The the mgraphic-demo is...  well... open it.   The code is completely unexplained.  There's tons of code that isn't called, commented out, uncommented, there's also a built in function I've never heard of with an undescriptive name gc()?

If you need someone to redo your documentation for this, send me the MGraphics NOBOX source code and I'll put together your docs and examples. 

:( 
That's what I get for trying to post a solution at 5PM on a Friday. I should really know better.
Looking back at the 'warpy2.js' code I see that there's an extra step of first converting the offscreen canvas to a new Image(instance). In that case I used image_surface_draw, but it should work the same if using pattern methods or set_source_surface.
I agree that our documentation for some parts of MGraphics is a little thin, but there are lots of examples scattered around that should hopefully help. 

Andrew,   Okay now this is getting weird because warpy2 (I didn't see it because spotlight isn't searching the max package) does this correctly but I submitted a bug report with the following code and it's totally fucked up.    I'll and try and tear this apart soon.

autowatch=1
mgraphics.init();
mgraphics.relative_coords = 0;
mgraphics.autofill = 0;

var width = 0;
var height = 0;

var outImage;

mgraphics.redraw();
 
 
function bang(){
	refresh();
}

function paint()
{

	var mg = new MGraphics(100,100);
	with(mg){
		init();
		relative_coords=0;
		autofill=0;

		set_source_rgba(.5,.5,.5,.3);

		move_to(0,0);
		line_to(100,97);
		stroke();

		move_to(50,50);
		select_font_face("Arial");
	
		set_font_size(20);
	
		show_text("mytext");
	}

	outImage=new Image(mg);

	
	with (mgraphics) {

		// draw the image
		image_surface_draw(outImage);
	}
}

Yeah andrew, if you dump this into warpy2.js at the bottom of paint(), it's totally fucked up .  I think warpy2 benefits from drawing nice vertical lines.   I can't really figure it out but somethings definitely funky.  As I mentioned, I already reported this.

var mg = new MGraphics(100,100);
    with(mg){
      //init(); 
      relative_coords=0;
      autofill=0;
      set_source_rgba(.5,.5,.5,1);
      set_line_width(0.5);
      move_to(0,0);
      line_to(100,97);
      move_to(40.5,10);
      line_to(40.5,60);
      stroke();
      move_to(50,50);
      select_font_face("Arial");
      set_font_size(20);
      show_text("mytext");
    }
    outImage=new Image(mg); 
    mgraphics.set_source_rgba(.5,.5,.5,1);
    mgraphics.image_surface_draw(outImage,0,0,200,200);

After further investigation, it appears that the reason warpy2.js works is because the original is being scaled down.  If you comment out the scale statement in line 37, the ugly as sin issue persists.

PS this is clearly an issue with antialiasing/alpha blending.  

@Andrew: "I agree that our documentation for some parts of MGraphics is a little thin, but there are lots of examples scattered around that should hopefully help."

It would take someone who thoroughly understands MGraphics one day at most to flesh out the SINGLE page of reference documentation for MGraphics. It takes every user who can't discern the expected behaviors from the paltry documentation hours of their time floundering trying to figure it out.

Something like this "set_source_surface" call... it has one short sentence description in the docs.  Darwin's "patch a day" reference doesn't ever use it, and this forum post is the ONLY hit in the website search for that term.

Just a quick note that the MGraphics API was modeled after Cairo. It isn't an exactly 1:1 mapping, but you may find some helpful documentation there.  

JSUI Geometry library

Dave Longan

Hello everyone!
I'm trying to create a max patch that will take in audio from a microphone, convert it from speech to text (STT), then put that text into a message box for later use. I've been trying out different methods to do this for the past few weeks but haven't gotten anything to work in Max. op.recognize doesn't seem to work with Maxmsp 7, I found a patch that used the Google API by Tom Zicarelli, but that doesn't seem to work properly. I'm not very well versed in working in Max on this level, so I don't even know which things that don't work are closer to working than others. I'd really appreciate some advice on how to go about this.
Thank you.

Hello everyone!
I'm trying to create a max patch that will take in audio from a microphone, convert it from speech to text (STT), then put t

simplest-method-for-speech-to-text-messages

A few weeks ago I prepared an example using Google Chrome STT engine and a simple bridge (based on websockets) to transfer recognised data to Max over Node.js.

I posted this example with some instruction here: https://cycling74.com/projects/project35-oprecognize (scroll the topic for my post with ZIP archive attached ).

I ended up basing my project on this project: http://florianschulz.info/stt/ 
I simply modified the processing sketch to use OSC to send the STT results to Max via the udpRecieve object. It's a little convoluted, but the timeframe of the project meant I needed to prioritise quicker progress vs long term viability.
It does require Processing, but what Yaniki just posted is very very similar and would probably be more stable in the long run.

I think both methods have strong and weak points, depends on the context. Moreover my intuition tells me to check whether we can use Node.js to STT.

The best way to convert audio to text online is to use Audext - audio to text converter.  It is fast, cheap and easy-to-use. I definitely recommend it. 

I've got speech recognition to work on a browser (with annyang.js) and am also looking into how this could work on Max MSP.
Saw this video on YouTube: 

He did it using the built-in dictation of MacOS. It has to be enabled through the settings, and then any text fields can be dictated to.  

 System Settings -> Keyboard -> Dictation -> On


Simplest Method for Speech To Text messages?

James McAleese

I'm running Max 8 on windows 10 and I can't seem to add an icon. When I go to build the executable, I click on include file, select the .ico file, then change the word include to appicon. But then when it builds there's no icon, and I get a message in the console that reads 

Other than that the build works fine. Does anyone have a solution to this?

I'm running Max 8 on windows 10 and I can't seem to add an icon. When I go to build the executable, I click on include file, select the .ico

how-do-i-add-an-icon-to-a-standalone-project-on-windows-10

https://cycling74.com/tutorials/advanced-max-standalones-part-4 

Hello, 
I have the same problem when I try to build the application with a given icon specified in a standalone object.
I tried the Visual Studio trick given in the tutorial, but I'm not able to open the .exe file with Visual Studio 2022. I'm on max 8.3. any idea of why it doesn't work like in the video ?


I finally found a quite similar solution with Resource Hacker by following this tutorial https://www.howtogeek.com/75983/stupid-geek-tricks-how-to-modify-the-icon-of-an-.exe-file/

confirming.. i can't make it work as well in visual studio 2022.  
Trying that go-around,

Only single icon group 1033 is needed in case you don't use own file formats which need custom icon as well.
In same go, one can adjust version infos etc

One can make standalone exe out of max runtime even without compiling it at all. Copy the exe file, rename it as your mxf, edit String Table to match the name as that makes it write proper named settings etc.

How do I add an icon to a standalone project on Windows 10?

JCVL

HI,

was there ever a max/msp version of Radial?  

I was using it extensively for making and performing music long time ago and totally miss it - there was nothing quite like Radial or at least nothing as quick and fun  for drafting ideas and finishing them later in the DAW. Just too bad non of my computer can open it nowadays. 

i thought it would be great to recreate it on Max but maybe there is already some version available around?

HI,

was there ever a max/msp version of Radial?  
I was using it extensively for making and performing music long time ago and totally miss

radial-maxmsp-patch

Radial is Max Standalone.
Last beta from 2007 would run on MacOS that still supports 32 bit architecture.
Don't remember exactly, but only custom thing inside were few externals
radial.mxo, bar.mxo, dropzone.mxo etc
what actually prevents it from running is ilok installation,
but now that this really is discontinued product ...
....



I had licence for RadiaL back then and I work on MacOS Mojave so I guess 32bit architecture should be supported, not sure how to convert 1.5 beta I've just downloaded though. Any help would be deeply appreciated! 

mount Radial DMG, right click on mpkg and show package contents
install only Radial , NOT ilok
if you get any trouble from gatekeeper,
open terminal, type 
xattr -cr    ( add space after cr)
and drop radial app, hit enter


OMG it works!!!! Thank you so much!
 I'm so happy to have it back and working under Mojave! 
🙏🙏🙏

You are welcome.
I have removed the files...


Hi Source Audio,
Is there any chance you could share the radiaL dmg? I just did a clean install of Mojave (because I wanted M, Metasynth and radiaL back in my life) yesterday and find that the Cycling download doesn't seem to contain the fully required dmg. I have an original disk but it predates intel unfortunately.

Sorry, but I don't have any other dmg then what is available as download.
Also don't use radial at all.
What is missing then ?


Actually, I was just having difficulty opening the dmg, but I used Pacifist and succeeded. Unfortunately, I can't get past this: 

I've installed various extensions, including ones in the dmg but with no luck. I vaguely remember getting around this before, but not for a few years.. 

your problem there is pace extensions.
I remember now what was the problem alltogether
and what I posted as solution.
You can delete or uninstall all that pace interlok stuff.

Download the max runtime version 4.6.3
rename binary to radiaL and replace the one in Radial App with it.
then it should work
P.S. I am posting this because software is really outdated, and there is NO OTHER
SOLUTION to pace problem to use purchased software on new Macs.


Thanks, Source Audio, that seems to have worked perfectly! That's the second time you've helped me out on this forum. In the meantime, I've re-acquired the 2008 Mac Mini I gave to my mother years ago so I can use outdated software without sacrificing being 'up-to-date'. Keeping up to date is money down the drain, it would seem...

You are welcome.
I am not much differet in that respect, my daily work MacBook is 2008 model.
Quite happy with old unupdateable software and OS.


@source audio, 
do you mean renaming the binary.icns file in the radial app to radiaL, and then dragging the binary.icns file from max runtime into that same folder? sadly hasn't worked for me yet

no by all means.
Binary file is that executable inside of MacOS FOLDER


you rename MaxMSP Runtime to radiaL, replace the one in radial app
and trash max runtime.


thank you, 
it worked once and now isn't anymore, error message is saying radiaL quit unexpectedly..


radiaL is not really supported on new MacOS.
Anything can crash it.
Starting from privileges to write preferences , use audio driver etc.


i restarted the machine and it seems to be working fine now, thanks again

Hi!  I am a big fan of the Radial program too!   I have been running it on an old Mac, but the machine itself needs some tlc.  Is there anyway to run it on a new Mac m1?  or what would be the latest possible MacBook/ OS it would run on?   thanks so much for all your help!

Radial patch uses some old custom externals that are 32 bit.
That is not going to work on 64bit only systems.
Maybe some Radial user here can report which latest OS it would work on.
One would anyway have to fight with gatekeeper etc,
but I guess Mojave would still do, High Sierra definitely, 
I use many Standalones from 2007  without problems on 10.13


Thanks!  I've always used a 2010 MacBook Pro running 10.8.5, I was wondering about what OS's would be the latest it can run on....

Hi - I have it running on 10.14.6. It works okay, the only real problem is not being able to open most plugins, so I usually pipe radiaL audio channels into a DAW.

Mid 2012. Must get a newer one sometime :)


@ source audio  the saga continues... lol    I just bought the exact year laptop and OS, but I am getting this message now, upong trying to install Radial 1.5    Can you help me?  much appreciated!

You can't install radial by running installer package.

show package contents, and try to install radial.pkg only.
even better extract it using pacifist.
then follow the instructions, or ...
here is download link with installed and fixed app

Hello everyone, I think we should all petition the family to update this super app. its very unique and very creative and nothing like it exists, I've been using since I purchased it in early 00's and still do almost daily, its quirky but works on Mojave 10.4.6.  eventually it will need updating or moving to the new M1.. I would happily pay to get it updated, maybe if enough of us ask we can receive ? 

its code after all , it doesn't have hardware parts that can't be sourced anymore :) 

Hello, Ι found this thread by accident while searching for a radiaL alternative. I did heavy use of this wonderful software.  It was my favorite electronic live instrument and it is a pity that  has been discontinued. 
 If an update comes out, I also would happily pay.   I agree with musicmaks@ that nothing like this exists. 


What would be really nice is a Windows version - had that existed we could all still be using it. But yeah, a paid upgrade would be fab. I think it was discontinued due to the existence of Ableton Live, and given Ableton's current situation with Cycling '74, it's unlikely to make a return.  A brilliant piece of software for sure.

its more funky and fluid, dare I say acid jazz compared to the rigid hard rock of Ableton, please bring it back!!!

Does anybody know if it was written in Max/MSP? I wonder if it's still possible to use in new Mac OS with M1, I bought it also in the early 2000s, and would love to have it back. My favorite software ever. 

Read the entire thread, and you will understand
that even that Radial was written in Max,
and also compiled as standalone application,
it will never work on 64 bit or M1 because
of old custom externals.
Only way to make it work would be that whoever developed it
updates the externals.


can we summon up the developer ? how ? who is he/she ?

anyway i was the original developer for radiaL. It was a labor of love for several years while i was working for Cycling '74 (1997-2005). this project was the first time we tried to create an application entirely in the Max/MSP framework that could function as a standalone product. However, as mentioned here, it did use a number of custom C objects. It was quite complex under the hood.

The first release ran only on OS9. Making it run on OSX was a substantial undertaking. After I left C74, other developers worked to keep it updated for a while - but it took a great deal of effort, and there were not many sales, so after some time there was just no way to keep it afloat. 

In theory one could re-construct most of the functionality in a pure-MaxMSP context compatible with the current ecosystem, but there are a ton of itty bitty details and moving parts. Which ones would be important, and how many could be left out? And in a broader context - what functionality did radiaL have that modern Ableton does not provide?  

Personally, I think it was the overall design and 'feel' that made it fun to use - recreating that would be tricky and a ton of work. 

Jhno , thank you ! no really, thank you man!.. there are many things about it that makes it not only fun to use, but incredibly productive, and yes the feel, and feel is everything, that's real magic brother.. you managed the ones and zeros into art!!!!  the "circles" with immediate EQ's, and pitch control which can be played, the dope aesthetic of the interface, the colors, just everything , easy to get to, intrigues the senses, tickles the intellect.. I love creatively bashing channels against themselves, testing what works, what doesn't, carving out their place in syncopation , it speaks jazz, happy accidents, creativity... nothing against Ableton but its not the 4x4 rigidness and predictability of it..... the way parts can be looped, sections can be isolated and re arranged , tuned, punched in... or re-recorded quick in to another time signature , and recorded in a completely different structure, real jazz, then quickly eq'd to fit in... nothing is perfect and thats what makes it perfect, the mistakes it invites are celebrations, dont know how you did it... the WTF moments this app has given is like nothing else...I can go on and on and on.. its not just me, many people ive turned on to it over the years were like wtf is this, im talking serious folks in EM and Jazz circles.. if its just ported the way it is, id pull the card out asap, full price paid all over again ? no problem... its a masterpiece in code, its got character not written for the masses. if theres a wishlist from users on what to add, especially with all the new advancements, boom. Firing it up along with Ableton, through midi clock is magic, please think about it, and guys at 74 should wake up, it's one of the best original things they ever let out standalone, unique and original. Sometimes ts not about $, for those in the know know as its the price we all pay for what we love. peace.

OMG, thanks so much Jhno for developing RadiaL back then! I absolutely loved working on it and finished couple of albums just using RadiaL. Something I’m missing most in Ableton is the transposition grid and dice shuffle combining with sync in between the channels and EQ. Transposition used some beautiful algorithms which skip or repeat some part of the loop - I’ve tried copying this kind of grid on max/msp but didn’t succeed, unfortunately. 

Furthermore, as much as I prefer desktop software for making music radiaL would make an amazing iOS app, with the circles and touch control, etc.

I still use radial in all my albums to this day.  I like to think of it as a secret weapon, because so few even know about it... Maybe we can release a secret edition, just for this crew. lol

I reached out to JHNO, a few years back on Linked In, just to say hi! & thank him for this piece of genius software.   Not sure if you remember me John.

 Radial was my favorite software for improvisation and live performance, thanks a lot Jhno for your excellent software!!! 

The first thing that I like about it, is  it's immediacy. Cutting  a loop in several pieces and using the XY  Time-Pitch algorithms was for me the starting point for endless experimentation and compositional creative process. The way that manipulates the sample direction is immediate, fast  and musical. In combination with pitch, the results are amazing.  To me this is the core of Radial.
Moreover, it has  amazing EQ which adds much color to the sound instantly. I remember some of my friends saying about its nice sound.

Ι have use Ableton Live, NI Reaktor, Octatrack  and other software and hardware  but I have not found anything similar about how it handles the samples and the sound result. Radial is more fluid and more musical for improvisation and live performance. but also as an instrument to record in a DAW. 

I would love to see Radial alive again!!!

I would also love to see Radial alive again. It's truly a unique, cool software for music production and sound design. 

Sure I do! Thanks for all stories and memories, I'm really glad you all appreciated the software.

> I would love to see Radial alive again!!!

Just to put this issue to bed, there is no way that radiaL can be resurrected from its original code. It is impossible. C74 was heroic in keeping it going as long as they did. It was simply not created in a way that would be possible to maintain. Of course that's my fault, but that's the way it is. 

Good news on that front - the EQ used only cascade~ and filtergraph~. I may have fussed with the UI a little bit but those two objects support everything you need. 

Note that radiaL always had a peak limiter object (still available in Max/MSP as limi~) across the outputs. I think that this was a part of the sound, too. 

> Transposition used some beautiful algorithms which skip or repeat some part of the loop

Yeah basically I never liked the sound of granulated time shifting much - especially back then! So I tried to keep everything 'varispeed' style: the pitch and time of playback were always linked. However with the grid, you could change the speed of progress through the loop. At each division of the beat, the audio would just skip to the corresponding location in the audio - skipping forward for faster playback, skipping backward for slower playback.

This was implemented in C, but I think it would be possible in pure Max/MSP. Crossfades are always a pain, but it's been done over and over under the granular synthesis topic. I guess that radiaL did use a form of granular synthesis after all - just a very coarse, quantized version. 

Remember that radiaL expected all rhythmic material to be cut precisely to the beat. That way, when you loaded a sound, it could figure out the best playback speed based on the length of the audio file and the current BPM. 

Well we did make Looperverse, which is still available in the App Store. 

And if you miss the round waveforms, you should certainly check out Loopy Pro. 

Jhno , well we all tried but it is what it is )) I've got 2 Macs w Mojave, will keep one just for radiaL.. care to share about any new stuff on the horizon ? thnx 

I just stumbled upon this thread. I still have RadiaL, but haven't been able to use it since it won't run on newer Macs.  

If there were a way to recreate this in iOS I'm sure it would sell well. 

Just stumbled across this thread and wanted to second all the wonderful praise above, which is put so much more eloquently than I ever could. Many years ago I used to use Radial all the time, it became like an extension of my fingers, and I could use it to improvise with musicians in a way I've never been able to do since. Then I bought a new machine as the old one was kaput, and Radial was suddenly gone.  I couldn't live without it, so I had to buy an old Mac purely to run Radial, then I bought another one as I was terrified the first one would stop working :-). They're both flaky old machines though and I eventually retired them to the loft, but I've spent all these years looking for something to replace Radial and nothing has ever come close (Samplr on the iPad had some potential, but it still had a long way to go). Anyway, cue a fortnight ago, and I sparked up the old machines, and my creativity, productivity and enthusiasm are through the roof! Thanks JNHO!

RadiaL - Max/Msp patch 

tmhglnd

I would like to share this small library of abstractions that hopefully make the usage of alternative/microtonal tunings more accessible! It uses the library of 5000+ scala tuning files from the Stichting Huygens-Fokker, and you can also import your own.

download: https://github.com/tmhglnd/th.scala 

The package contains 3 abstractions and a custom jsui file:

th.scala - Load a scala scale into a dictionary, refered to by other objects to easily switch scales for multiple scalaToFrequency converters (stof)

th.stof - Convert a number from scala scale-format to the corresponding frequency based on the tune, center and cents value.

th.stof~ - Similar as the th.stof object, except it works in the signal domain.

th.sslider.js - A custom jsui file that shows a kslider-like object to allow for playing with the custom tuning files. The keys are displayed side-by-side (no black keys), and their width denote the relative interval. A light-gray key denotes the octaves. 

Works very nicely with the lately released Leimma platform by Khyam Allami and Counterpoint: https://isartum.net/leimma 

Feedback/suggestions/bugs are very much welcome, here as a comment or in the github issues page.


screenshot2.png

Hi all!
I would like to share this small library of abstractions that hopefully make the usage of alternative/microtonal tunings more access

-sharing-explore-scala-alternative-tunings-in-max-with-sslider

Going to check this out at some point - thanks! 

One extra object has been included: th.ftomb (Frequency to Midi & Bend)

This object converts any frequency and outputs an integer MIDI note number together with a pitch bending value between 0 - 127 to allow for controlling external midi devices via [noteout] and [bendout] or [midiformat] and [midiout].

great tool but it seems that the new version (8.2 beta) has broken something in the code.

Opening th.scala.maxhelp, the console returns a series of errors related to the js code:
js: error calling function loadScala [th.scala.js]
js: th.scala.js: Javascript TypeError: f is null, line 120
js: error calling function getmenu [th.scala.js]
js: error calling function loadScala [th.scala.js]
js: th.scala.js: Javascript TypeError: f is null, line 120
js: error calling function getmenu [th.scala.js]

Hi! Thanks for letting me know. Have not tried the objects with the 8.2 beta, but will look into this soon and see what is going on.

Hi Mati, I am not getting these errors, so I'm wondering what the problem is. Are you on windows or mac? Did it work in the 8.1 version of Max? Did you put the package in the max searchpath? It looks like it is not able to find the /scl files that are shipped with the package. Can you try to click (getmenu) message and see if you still get the error? Can you try to just load a single .scl file from the /scl folder with the [opendialog]? Let me know :)

Hi Timo, thanks for the quick reaction!
I'm on Mac and it's weird… With version 8.1 it works flawlessly and yes, the package is in a recognized directory.
Using 'getmenu' or loading a single file returns the same error.

Thanks for the video. I will have to investigate a bit deeper, but it seems that maybe the reading/loading of files via JS has changed in some way. Do you get any errors if you try from the menubar Help>Examples>javascript>file both `filetester` and the `folderiter` patches?

No errors if I load the files you indicated.

Just to be sure, also no errors if you click those message boxes with (readfile) (c74:/init) etc?

Hey, I could replicate the bug after I downloaded the latest 8.2 beta from the forum (I had one version before I think). It seemed to have something to do with the .readbytes() method that I used in the js. I changed it to a different approach and now the bug should be fixed, please clone the latest commit from the github and give it a try: https://github.com/tmhglnd/th.scala

Hi Timo, 
It runs again with the latest build.

Thanks for the quick reaction.

Hi,
I've run into another problem.
When randomly selecting files, Max would sometimes crash (the very last beta). At least I found a file that crashes every time: bell_mt_partials.scl 
Are you experiencing it, too?


I'm not so JS savvy to unearth the eventual problem....
I baste a rough patch to load in dict a .scl file without js.

I get this crash as well, but I also get this crash when trying to open it with the js file example, so not sure why this is. I'll investigate. Great that you've got a patch version that works in the meantime.

Just stumbled onto this and would like to express my thanks - very helpful, thank you Timo!

why not the full range? 

was the idea that a pb range of 2 semitones is more likely default than a range of 1 in synthesizers´ presets?

i am about to make a decision if i should eventually use 0 as center and then only pitch up or use a center in my version. (to avoid having two different halves around the center.)


@Dan/@Yaniki, thanks! If you have any feedback on the user experience let me know!

@Roman: Yes, the idea was that because -2/+2 semitones pb range is custom for most midi devices the user does not really have to change anything in the receiving devices settings. On the other hand of course the full range would give more precision. I could also include an MSB/LSB output option, making the range more precise. But since [midiformat] also has an @hires 1 option, allowing floating-point input, I thought using that option is more than enough for this object.


i came up with that question because if you only use half the range you could as well only use the positive or negative part.

it is interesting that i have never thought about the range contained in most presets (i had a lot of hardware back in the days)

but i just figured that your stuff are not externals but abstractions so maybe i will just look inside. :P

my (very old) approach looks like that (but there is an error in the mapping, i assumed 128 beeing the highest number which makes the whole range splitting procedure pointless^^) - and it is also 7 bit only (for the same reason: i have never investigated how common 14 bit actually is among hardware)

 - mtof 
 - div/rest
 - round integer (also missing here? not good. what did i do.)
 - split rest into 0-64 and 64-127
 - map these two parts from linear to the "center 64 problem"
 - round PB to int

but maybe it would be more perfect to provide different modes from 1 to 12 semitones? hmm...

I personally also don't know how common 14-bit is amongst hardware. I made this object more for others (i think it was even a request) then that I actually use it myself. 

You can definitely look at my code, it is al done with codebox in gen.

edit - (and yes it did take me that long to check it out - looking at my post above ; )

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I was just wondering if anyone knows of a good way to calculate fractions in Max? For instance, if I have the number 1.5, I want it represented as 3/2 (in two seperate number boxes).

Hey all,
I was just wondering if anyone knows of a good way to calculate fractions in Max? For instance, if I have the number 1.5, I want it

calculating-fractions

Just print the two numbers instead of dividing them?

Ooh the problem is that I'm using quite large numbers (200ish - 600ish) that I want to be much smaller numbers - when I divide these numbers, I'm rounding to 1 decimal place, and I kinda want the fraction to be calculated after this rounding. Thanks anyway!

(edit, fixed a syntax error)
and here's some javascript code to make the patch work (copy the code, paste it into a text file and name it floatToFrac, then put it in the max search path):

autowatch = 1;

var middle_n;
var middle_d;
var error=0.0001;
outlets= 2;

function msg_float(x){
	float_to_fraction (x, error);
	}

function float_to_fraction (x, error)
{
	var condition= true;
    var n = Math.floor(x)
    x = x-n;
    if (x <= error){
        
		outlet( 1, 1);
		outlet (0,  n);
		return;
	}
    else {
		if (1 - error <= x){
         	
			outlet( 1, 1);
			outlet (0,  n+1);
			return;
		}
	}

    //The lower fraction is 0/1
    var lower_n = 0;
    var lower_d = 1;
    //The upper fraction is 1/1
    var upper_n = 1;
    var upper_d = 1;
    while (condition){
        //The middle fraction is (lower_n + upper_n) / (lower_d + upper_d)
        middle_n = lower_n + upper_n;
        middle_d = lower_d + upper_d;
       //If x + error < middle
        if (middle_d * (x + error) < middle_n){
            // middle is our new upper
            upper_n = middle_n;
            upper_d = middle_d;
		}
        //Else If middle < x - error
        else{
 			if(middle_n < (x - error) * middle_d){
            	// middle is our new lower
            	lower_n = middle_n;
            	lower_d = middle_d;
			}
			//Else middle is our best fraction
        	else {
				condition=false; 
			}        
		}
 	}
	
	outlet (1, middle_d);
	outlet(0,  n * middle_d + middle_n);
}

I'm trying to make a M4L patch for microtonal chords so I can see what are the nearest just ratios around the notes.

Let's say the cent values of my chord are 0. 400. and 700. and I want it to show a list of just sonorities (like 4:5:6, the just major chord) that are available around the notes of the chord listed by the simplicity of the numbers in the fractions and the overall error. 

You could try this patch as a starting point:

note you need to change the js file floatToFrac 
so that the error variable is a some sort of number that can accommodate fractions up to a certain level of complexity.
try something like:
 var error=0.03333333333;
if the number is too small (like 0.0001) the patch wont be very useful
if the number is too big (like 0.125) the pitch ratios will be "quantized" to very large steps (greater than a semitone, and too far from your original pitches) 
I'm sure it can be refined further 

I'm having trouble getting the js floattofrac working. I also don't really understand how to use it. What does the message coming from the output do? And what about the free-floating one?

Just had a look at it and my old copy of the floatToFrac.js seems to work, but does not respond to changes in the error tolerance (don't know why). The outputs are the numerator and denominator of a fraction closest equivalent to the input float.


Calculating Fractions

Connector

I was trying to change the Transparency of a texture of a jit.gl.gridshape object. So i was expecting the Test Pattern should get invisible through setting the Alpha value of gl_color from 0. to 1. or vice versa.

So i am wondering if there is something missing in my patch or is it impossible to adjust the Transparency of the Test Pattern through the Alpha Value of gl_color???

singleTexture.maxpat

Alpha0.JPG

Alpha1.JPG

TestPattern001.png

Hi There,
In a little Patch:
 
I was trying to change the Transparency of a texture of a jit.gl.gridshape object. So i was expecting the Tes

transparency-on-jit-gl-gridshape-with-gl_color

disable depth on your transparent object (@depth_enable 0)

I tried to set @depth_enable = 0 on the jit.gl.gridshape object in my Patch:


But transparency still does not responds when i change the alpha Value.
I modified the patch above with replacing the jit.gl.gridshape to jit.gl.videoplane:

In this patch changing the Alpha Value does change the transparency how it should. But i would need to get it to work with jit.gl.gridshape to use it with jit.gl.multiple:

or if it works setting Alpha values of multiple spheres:

I am still having troubles with the Alpha channel of jit.gl.gridshape in my Patch

Changing the Alpha value should change the Transparency of jit.gl.gridshape (@shape plane).
Is anybody able to give me a hint how to fix it?

both the patches you posted are working as expected in both gl2 and gl3 from what I can tell. adjusting the alpha component of the color attribute adjusts the transparency of the object. I'm not sure what you are seeing or expecting that is different.

changing the Alpha value to 0.0 i would expect, that the displayed red rectangle should be completly transparent, but it is still visible as you can see here:


OS version, Max version, glengine version and GPU specs please

[edit] - Ok I am now able to reproduce with gl3 engine and jit.gl.gridshape if lighting is enabled. Not sure what is going on there but we'll take a look.

for now you can workaround by using jit.gl.material for shading instead:

Windows 10 Pro (21H2)
Max Version 8.3.1
gl3
OpenGL Version 4.6.0 NVIDIA 512.92, GLSL Version 4.60 NVIDIA

{
	"version" : "Version 8.3.1 (f487da5cc84) (x64 windows)",
	"platform" : "windows",
	"arch" : "x64",
	"osversion" : "Microsoft Windows 10 Professional (build 19044), 64-bit",
	"samplerate" : 44100,
	"iovs" : 512,
	"sigvs" : 64,
	"scheduler_in_audio_interrupt" : "off",
	"audio_drivername" : "ad_mme",
	"audio_driver_subname" : "",
	"license" : "permanent full",
	"machine_id" : "36250225b4c135bd7f3515821d89ad23",
	"eventinterval" : 2,
	"schedinterval" : 1.0,
	"overdrive" : "off",
	"pollthrottle" : 30,
	"queuethrottle" : 10,
	"sysqelemthrottle" : 1000,
	"refreshrate" : 33.333332061767578,
	"schedslop" : 25.0,
	"eventprobing" : 0,
	"mixerparallel" : "off",
	"mixercrossfade" : 0,
	"mixerlatency" : 30.0,
	"mixerramptime" : 10.0,
	"videoengine" : "viddll",
	"glengine" : "gl3",
	"packages" : 	{
		"BEAP" : "1.0.4",
		"gl3" : "0.3.1",
		"jit.mo" : "1.1.6",
		"Jitter Tools" : "1.0.3",
		"max-mxj" : "8.2.0",
		"maxforlive-elements" : "1.0.6",
		"min-devkit" : "0.6.0",
		"Mira" : "1.2.1",
		"Node for Max" : "2.0.4",
		"VIDDLL" : "1.2.7",
		"Video & Graphics" : "7.2.0",
		"Vizzie" : "2.2.1"
	}

cool, thanks, I edited my reply above as your reply was posted, please take a look

Alright, does work with the workaround now!

hi rob,
i m trying to do this basic thing as well with alpha on a simple sphere, in Glcore, but in js.

With light enable for the sphere, strangely the parameter gl_color for the alpha seems to take only negative value to work, means you have to send 0.5 0.5 0.5 -0.5, for instance.

i went from that patch above to make the comparison

Is it something normal, or am i doing something wrong here?

nevermind i also use jit.gl.material go around. 

but still interested to know about what going on with gl_color


you should be able to get what your expected behavior by setting sphere.auto_material = 0 

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you should be able to get what your expected behavior by setting sphere.auto_material = 0

This is a bit stale by now, but was hoping to ask for some clarification here.

I guess the documentation on my site is pretty outdated, guess I made it almost 10 years ago.

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