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Margaret Fisher

Hi all, I am looking for a patch for the gametrak v 1.3 - a motion sensor for golfers - to have it trigger audio. The Laptop Orchestra uses these devices and I'm sure there's a Max4Live patch out there. Can anyone help?

Hi all, I am looking for a patch for the gametrak v 1.3 - a motion sensor for golfers - to have it trigger audio. The Laptop Orchestra uses these devices and I'm sure there's a Max4Live patch out there. Can anyone help?
Thank you, Margaret


Hi all, I am looking for a patch for the gametrak v 1.3 - a motion sensor for golfers - to have it trigger audio. The Laptop Orchestra uses 

hi-device

If so, why don't you connect it to computer and report what it

sends and what you would convert that data into...

Do you have one of that devices ?
If so, why don't you connect it to computer and report what it
sends and what you would convert that data into...


Yes I have the GameTrakdevice, with the circuit board ‘adjusted’ to bridge info over to pc. (I have another GameTrak but it turned out to be an earlier model). Thanks for your reply.

Was able to make a workable patch in pdextended but pd crashes on my pc.

Yes I have the GameTrakdevice, with the circuit board ‘adjusted’ to bridge info over to pc. (I have another GameTrak but it turned out to be an earlier model).  Thanks for your reply. 

Main thing is to know if it communicates via usb to serial

Original devices were PS2 only and then there were

If it is HID, you can use max hi object to capture

From the brief look into infos, Gametrak should have 6 potis, so you would expect 6 values. 

If you send that pd patch that works, I would check it to see how to convert that.

Main thing is to know if it communicates via usb to serial
or as HID device.
Original devices were PS2 only and then there were
different mods to make it usb capable.
If it is HID, you can use max hi object to capture
the data, otherwise serial object.
From the brief look into infos,  Gametrak should have 6 potis, so you would expect 6 values. 
If you send that pd patch that works, I would check it to see how to convert that.


Source Audio, thank you. I don't know if it is communicating as serial or HID. Here is a jpg of the patch in pd extended (left) and an earlier one in pd. I'm pretty sure the one on the left worked - the one on the right was part of the process. I appreciate your offer to convert! Hoping to use this with dancers.

GameTrak-PDextendedHID.jpg

Source Audio, thank you. I don't know if it is communicating as serial or HID. Here is a jpg of the patch in pd extended (left) and an earlier one in pd. I'm pretty sure the one on the left worked - the one on the right was part of the process. I appreciate your offer to convert! Hoping to use this with dancers.
Margaret     www.mafishco.com

Here's the actual file but it seems to be in text. Could not upload the mxt or pat versions.

PDExtendedGolf_HIDIN.pd

If that PD patch was fully working with gametrak, than it is all easy.

Use hi object in max, take few parts from help file

in order to auto activate it on patch start,

activate polling and insert route 1 2 3 4 5 6

If you need any further help with that just post.

If that PD patch was fully working with gametrak, than it is all easy.
Gametrak is connected as HID device.
Use hi object in max, take few parts from help file
to get exact name of the gametrak device
in order to auto activate it on patch start,
activate polling and insert route 1 2 3 4 5 6
as in pd to route the 6 values.
If you need any further help with that just post.


Hi again, a few parts from help file? u-menu is one? how to activate it? loadbang at top? What does polling mean? How do I then map within Ableton Suite to control audio clips (not midi)? I may be too far down the learning curve, but if you can help, I’m willing to soldier on . . . Many thanks! M

I think this is very clear description...

Screen Shot 2020-08-13 at 09.35.45.png

The idea is to first populate umenu with available devices.

One could copy gametrak exact device name in a message

and use it to auto load it on next start.

If device is present, one could bang poll message to activate

That way all would be done without user action, if gametrak is present

here is a patch to start with, do what it tells inside.

gametrak.maxpat.zip

I am not Live user and have no interest in it.

But maybe one or the other hint should be possible

Did you really look at the help file ?
I think this is very clear description...

The idea is to first populate umenu with available devices.
One could copy gametrak exact device name in a message
and use it to auto load it on next start.
If device is present, one could bang poll message to activate
data polling.
That way all would be done without user action, if gametrak is present
when patch or max4live device starts.
here is a patch to start with, do what it tells inside.


---------
I am not Live user and have no interest in it.
But maybe one or the other hint should be possible



Many thanks for the zip file. Will pursue this with a little more insight, thanks to you.

Did not realize data polling was a ?message? "poll", so No, did not read help file to extent I needed/need to. Will do! Opening the patch now.

Many thanks for the zip file. Will pursue this with a little more insight, thanks to you.
Did not realize data polling was a ?message? "poll", so No, did not read help file to extent I needed/need to. Will do! Opening the patch now.


Results! but on a mac laptop, not on the pc. It prints out "Game-Trak V1.3" and an example of the numbers on poll are 15 2140 (both strings active, I get 16 and 17 also as the first 2 digits). Will the instrument find and playback audio clips or map to controls?

Left: resting state as low as 15 526, or 15 770; gets into 15 3-4000s with action of 'joystick / string'

Right: not as much differential resting at 15 2025 but also can be 15 4089, mostly reads out at 15 2067-2070

Is right 'joystick/string' programmed in this small patch you sent?

Variations in data
Left: resting state as low as 15 526, or 15 770; gets into 15 3-4000s with action of 'joystick / string'
Right: not as much differential resting at 15 2025 but also can be 15 4089, mostly reads out at 15 2067-2070
Is right 'joystick/string' programmed in this small patch you sent?


I don't know what you mean by joystick/string

usual output of HID Game Device in Max and hi object

In your case 15 16 17 are IDs for the axis or whatever

Now tell me how could that Pure Data patch work for you

with routing IDs 1 2 3 4 5 6, which GameTrak seems not to send ?

No success on PC ? means GameTrak does not get detected ?

Did You look in the hardware- game devices or whatever that is called on Windows ?

There are many variations on what people used to communicate over USB port.

Arduino - serial based, HID compliant using VUSB or newer Arduino HID compatible boards,PIC , Teensy ...

Something is preventing it from working on windows...

Might be a missing driver, or not well done USB Init .

If you would check what it reports as Product and Vendor ID

in Mac system Profiler, it would maybe throw some light on that matter.

When you start the patch I posted, you could click on 

That will list all available HID devices and number of their elements.

So you can find out how many elements are expected from GameTrak.

Usually the same kind of element have consecutive IDs

one typical Joystick could have 32 buttons IDs 0 - 31

I read at some point that GameTrak has 6 Potis ?

If that is so you would have 6 elements to report and use.

To separate elements, one uses route object at HI output.

hi device