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I'm looking for ressources or ideas on how to create a markov chain analysis for text generation.

Would probably be first a system to analyse a .txt file to get a probability table, and then another module to generate a text based on it.

I'm looking at the "text" and "coll" objects for now.

Is there somewhere on the web some exemples/tutorial of this kind of implementation for max?

Or some equivalent to the Rita library for processing in a max external?

I'm looking for ressources or ideas on how to create a markov chain analysis for text generation.
Would probably be first a system to analyse a .txt file to get a probability table, and then another module to generate a text based on it.

Is there somewhere on the web some exemples/tutorial of this kind of implementation for max?
Or some equivalent to the Rita library for processing in a max external?


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In my opinion the easiest way to construct a markov chain based on succession of words in a text will be probably based on the [js] object - in other words: instead of patching you can write JavaScript code.

On the other hand... you mentioned Rita library for Processing. Rita is a nice and robust tool and you may consider to build a mechanism for communicating between Max and Processing via OSC - so you may use Rita to create generative text and still work with Max for other things.

Moreover Rita is also available in JavaScript version, as a library for P5js (

 - JavaScript Processing incarnation. Because P5js is operating on HTML/JavaScript/CSS code (in other words: it is producing a webpages which you can load into any web browser) you can code main mechanisms for text analysis and synthesis inside P5js "sketch" and to load this sketch inside Max into [jweb] object. Bidirectional communication between a "webpage" loaded inside [jweb] and Max is relatively simple to establish and handle.

Some time ago I prepared simple solution illustrating, how to integrate P5js sketches with Max. It is available here:

http://paweljanicki.jp/projects_maxandp5js_en.html

Moreover Rita is also available in JavaScript version, as a library for P5js (http://p5js.org) - JavaScript Processing incarnation. Because P5js is operating on HTML/JavaScript/CSS code (in other words: it is producing a webpages which you can load into any web browser) you can code main mechanisms for text analysis and synthesis inside P5js "sketch" and to load this sketch inside Max into [jweb] object. Bidirectional communication between a "webpage" loaded inside [jweb] and Max is relatively simple to establish and handle.

Some time ago I prepared simple solution illustrating, how to  integrate P5js sketches with Max. It is available here:

http://paweljanicki.jp/projects_maxandp5js_en.html


Thanks a lot for your answer, many useful directions there !

I was thinking to go the java route too, and your integration exemple of p5js in max made me gain a lot of time.

I was wondering now what about text to speech (tts) engines.

If you have any other suggestion, i would be really interested.

Thanks a lot for your answer, many useful directions there !
I was thinking to go the java route too, and your integration exemple of p5js in max made me gain a lot of time.

I was wondering now what about text to speech (tts) engines.
Probably Java is the way to go too.
Beyond FreeTTS, i found MARY (http://mary.dfki.de/) which seems to be really interesting.
If you have any other suggestion, i would be really interested.


Chromium browser currently doesn’t support the Web Speech API - so you can't do that via [jweb].

Java-based solutions which you proposed should work, but personally I prefer method described here:

https://cycling74.com/forums/text-to-speech-as-an-msp-object/

It works for OSX (remember, you have to install [shell] external first: 

https://cycling74.com/tools/bernstein-shell/#.WFQ0Q7GZO_M)

 and here you may find some tricks for similar solution on Windows:

https://cycling74.com/forums/text-to-speech-2

It works for OSX (remember, you have to install [shell] external first: https://cycling74.com/tools/bernstein-shell/#.WFQ0Q7GZO_M) and here you may find some tricks for similar solution on Windows:

https://cycling74.com/forums/text-to-speech-2


PS. oh, I see that [shell] object is now a part of the Samplor package, so you can use Max Package Manager instead of link I provided.

Yes, the only problem is that on windows environnements, the native TTS possibilities are not at all the same quality than the 'say' command on mac OS..

I like the idea of the shell object though, so now i will need to find a (better if) opensource, shell accessible, tts engine, compatible with windows.

Yes, the only problem is that on windows environnements, the native TTS possibilities are not at all the same quality than the 'say' command on mac OS.. 

I like the idea of the shell object though, so now i will need to find a (better if) opensource, shell accessible, tts engine, compatible with windows.


Hmmm... I forgot, how ugly this Windows build-in speech synthesis is... maybe you may check the Web Speech API with browsers under Windows and if you find a voice with good quality just connect it to Max via WebSocket?

Maybe this will interest people reading this thread:

I updated "MaxAndP5js" - my collection of Max and P5js integration examples. I added a new example, a text generator based on RiTa library (

https://cycling74.com/forums/sharing-is-maxmspjitter-and-p5js

I updated "MaxAndP5js" - my collection of Max and P5js integration examples. I added a new example, a text generator based on RiTa library (https://rednoise.org/rita) for p5js.

more here: https://cycling74.com/forums/sharing-is-maxmspjitter-and-p5js

Markov Chains for algorithmic text generation.