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Jeshua

Been finally trying to use Max/MSP for sound design these days with some success. I came across the pretty popular tutorial of dude837's doppler pitch shifter on Youtube and implemented it myself.

It sounds pretty good, but unfortunately in his algorithm in order to smooth out the window function you end up duplicating the source material by 16x which causes a high signal to noise ratio.

Does anyone know if it's possible to get a smooth window function with only one instance of tapin~ and tapout~?

http://www.otherbirds.com/tutorials/7-pitch.zip

Last time we burned up a perfectly good ten minutes doing tedious technical stuff.  This time we burn up a perfectly good ten minutes doing tedious technical stuff.

Delicious Max/MSP Tutorial 7: Pitch Shifting (Part 2)

Been finally trying to use Max/MSP for sound design these days with some success. I came across the pretty popular tutorial of dude837's doppler pitch shifter on Youtube and implemented it myself.

It sounds pretty good, but unfortunately in his algorithm in order to smooth out the window function you end up duplicating the source material by 16x which causes a high signal to noise ratio.

Does anyone know if it's possible to get a smooth window function with only one instance of tapin~ and tapout~?

Here's the video to part 2 of his patch:

Been finally trying to use Max/MSP for sound design these days with some success. I came across the pretty popular tutorial of dude837's dop

need-help-improving-this-pitch-shift-algorithm

signal-to-noise ratio can often just be a relative perception: if you scale the output of poly~ by the exact number of voices, and then feed that into gain~ then the gain~ slider will work over a signal-to-noise ratio that is truer to the original signal going into poly~(see in the video how he scales the signal out of poly~'s right-outlet so it fits within the range of scope~, you want to do something similar for the left-outlet as well).

however,(and i doubt this has a huge effect on your particular problem) Sam's using a windowing function which works well, but has some jagged edges in the troughs/bottom-portion of the windowing waveform, and those jaggies can introduce a little bit of unwanted noisy/high-frequency information(will accentuate the warbly sound of the windowing), so i often prefer something closer to a 'hanning' window. here's a patch that shows how to get that using cos~, and also how to get it from the easy messaging into buffer~, so you can also research the other windowing functions available from buffer~ in the same way(see the buffer~ reference for the 'apply' message, choices are triangle, hamming, hanning, blackman, welch, and kaiser windows), and see how they modify the sound in your own patch:

signal-to-noise ratio can often just be a relative perception: if you scale the output of poly~ by the exact number of voices, and then feed that into gain~ then the gain~ slider will work over a signal-to-noise ratio that is truer to the original signal going into poly~(see in the video how he scales the signal out of poly~'s right-outlet so it fits within the range of scope~, you want to do something similar for the left-outlet as well).

however,(and i doubt this has a huge effect on your particular problem) Sam's using a windowing function which works well, but has some jagged edges in the troughs/bottom-portion of the windowing waveform, and those jaggies can introduce a little bit of unwanted noisy/high-frequency information(will accentuate the warbly sound of the windowing), so i often prefer something closer to a 'hanning' window. here's a patch that shows how to get that using cos~, and also how to get it from the easy messaging into buffer~, so you can also research the other windowing functions available from buffer~ in the same way(see the buffer~ reference for the 'apply' message, choices are triangle, hamming, hanning, blackman, welch, and kaiser windows), and see how they modify the sound in your own patch:

This helps a ton! Thank you for taking the time to explain this to me. I did a basic implementation of your windowing functions last night but had some slight errors. Im going to do some reading this week and if I can't figure out the issue I'll make another post with my patch this weekend. Ty!

Need Help Improving this Pitch Shift Algorithm