RadiaL - Max/Msp patch

Does anybody know if it was written in Max/MSP? I wonder if it's still possible to use in new Mac OS with M1, I bought it also in the early 2000s, and would love to have it back. My favorite software ever.

Read the entire thread, and you will understand
that even that Radial was written in Max,
and also compiled as standalone application,
it will never work on 64 bit or M1 because
of old custom externals.
Only way to make it work would be that whoever developed it
updates the externals.

can we summon up the developer ? how ? who is he/she ?

>poof<

what? where am i?

ah - time travel, i get it.

anyway i was the original developer for radiaL. It was a labor of love for several years while i was working for Cycling '74 (1997-2005). this project was the first time we tried to create an application entirely in the Max/MSP framework that could function as a standalone product. However, as mentioned here, it did use a number of custom C objects. It was quite complex under the hood.

The first release ran only on OS9. Making it run on OSX was a substantial undertaking. After I left C74, other developers worked to keep it updated for a while - but it took a great deal of effort, and there were not many sales, so after some time there was just no way to keep it afloat.

In theory one could re-construct most of the functionality in a pure-MaxMSP context compatible with the current ecosystem, but there are a ton of itty bitty details and moving parts. Which ones would be important, and how many could be left out? And in a broader context - what functionality did radiaL have that modern Ableton does not provide?

Personally, I think it was the overall design and 'feel' that made it fun to use - recreating that would be tricky and a ton of work.

jhno

Jhno , thank you ! no really, thank you man!.. there are many things about it that makes it not only fun to use, but incredibly productive, and yes the feel, and feel is everything, that's real magic brother.. you managed the ones and zeros into art!!!! the "circles" with immediate EQ's, and pitch control which can be played, the dope aesthetic of the interface, the colors, just everything , easy to get to, intrigues the senses, tickles the intellect.. I love creatively bashing channels against themselves, testing what works, what doesn't, carving out their place in syncopation , it speaks jazz, happy accidents, creativity... nothing against Ableton but its not the 4x4 rigidness and predictability of it..... the way parts can be looped, sections can be isolated and re arranged , tuned, punched in... or re-recorded quick in to another time signature , and recorded in a completely different structure, real jazz, then quickly eq'd to fit in... nothing is perfect and thats what makes it perfect, the mistakes it invites are celebrations, dont know how you did it... the WTF moments this app has given is like nothing else...I can go on and on and on.. its not just me, many people ive turned on to it over the years were like wtf is this, im talking serious folks in EM and Jazz circles.. if its just ported the way it is, id pull the card out asap, full price paid all over again ? no problem... its a masterpiece in code, its got character not written for the masses. if theres a wishlist from users on what to add, especially with all the new advancements, boom. Firing it up along with Ableton, through midi clock is magic, please think about it, and guys at 74 should wake up, it's one of the best original things they ever let out standalone, unique and original. Sometimes ts not about $, for those in the know know as its the price we all pay for what we love. peace.

OMG, thanks so much Jhno for developing RadiaL back then! I absolutely loved working on it and finished couple of albums just using RadiaL. Something I’m missing most in Ableton is the transposition grid and dice shuffle combining with sync in between the channels and EQ. Transposition used some beautiful algorithms which skip or repeat some part of the loop - I’ve tried copying this kind of grid on max/msp but didn’t succeed, unfortunately.

Furthermore, as much as I prefer desktop software for making music radiaL would make an amazing iOS app, with the circles and touch control, etc.

I still use radial in all my albums to this day. I like to think of it as a secret weapon, because so few even know about it... Maybe we can release a secret edition, just for this crew. lol

I reached out to JHNO, a few years back on Linked In, just to say hi! & thank him for this piece of genius software. Not sure if you remember me John.

Radial was my favorite software for improvisation and live performance, thanks a lot Jhno for your excellent software!!!

The first thing that I like about it, is it's immediacy. Cutting a loop in several pieces and using the XY Time-Pitch algorithms was for me the starting point for endless experimentation and compositional creative process. The way that manipulates the sample direction is immediate, fast and musical. In combination with pitch, the results are amazing. To me this is the core of Radial.
Moreover, it has amazing EQ which adds much color to the sound instantly. I remember some of my friends saying about its nice sound.

Ι have use Ableton Live, NI Reaktor, Octatrack and other software and hardware but I have not found anything similar about how it handles the samples and the sound result. Radial is more fluid and more musical for improvisation and live performance. but also as an instrument to record in a DAW.

I would love to see Radial alive again!!!

I would also love to see Radial alive again. It's truly a unique, cool software for music production and sound design.