I want to take a list and generate a random ordering into a message box, or comment? The list would look something like A A# B C C# D E F G# D D# A G. Each new iteration into a coll or dict would be great but not necessary.

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I want to take a list  and generate a random ordering into a message box, or comment? The list would look something like  A A# B C C# D E F G# D D# A G. Each new iteration into a coll or dict would be great but not necessary.


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zl scramble will output scrambled list out eacht time input list gets triggered.

i like filling the coll. can the list end up horizontal i.e. so that no 1 is the new order, then no 2 is a different iteration . i am adding one from the previous list to the new list so it grows. But each iteration is a different combination from 12 choose 8. So there are actually 2 processes happening, (or 3). 1. >> 12 choose 8. 2. >> reordering of the set. 3. >> Adding one more than previous from each set before reordering. I doubt that there will be a singe patch that accomplish all 3 at once, so i am manually doing no 2.

A A# B C C# D D# F C# > A D C# C# F A# D# C B

A A# B C C# D D# F# A D > A C# A A# D C D F# D B

A A# B C C# D D# G A C# A > G D# A A B D A# C# C# C A

A A# B C C# D D# G# G D# A A > G# D D# A G C A C# A# D# A B

A A# B C C# D E F G# D D# A G > D# F A C D D G# G B A A# C# E

A A# B C C# D E F# D# F A C D D > C A D E F# D A D A# C B D# C# F

A A# B C C# D E G C A D E F# D A > D C B A E D C# G A# D A F# E A C

 A A# B C C# D E G# D C B A E D C# G > A# B E D C C# C# C D G A A G# B D E

A A# B C C# D F F# A# B E D C C# C# C D > C# D A# C# F B B C# C C C D D F# E A A#

A A# B C C# D F G C# D A# C# F B B C# C C > C# B D F C# C# C A# C D A C F G B A# C# B

A A# B C C# D F G# C# B D F C# C# C A# C D A > B B F C# D G# C# A# A# C C C# C D A F C# A D

A A# B C C# D F# G B B F C# D G# C# A# A# C C C# > A G# C# F# B A# F G C# C D A# C C# C D A# B B C#

A A# B C C# D F# G# A G# C# F# B A# F G C# C D A# C > G# D A# A C# C# B G F C D G# F# C# B C F# C A A# A# 21

A A# B C C# D G G# G# D A# A C# C# B G F C D G# F# C# > A# D C C G# B A# C# C# B G F# A G# C# D C# A D F G# G

i like filling the coll. can the list end up horizontal i.e. so that no 1 is the new order, then no 2 is a different iteration . i am adding one from the previous list to the new list so it grows. But each iteration is a different combination from 12 choose 8. So there are actually 2 processes happening, (or 3). 1. >> 12 choose 8. 2. >> reordering of the set. 3. >> Adding one more than previous from each set before reordering. I doubt that there will be a singe patch that accomplish all 3 at once, so i am manually doing no 2. 

A  >  A
A A# > A# A
A A# B > B A# A
A A# B C > A# B A C
A A# B C C# > C A# B A C#
A A# B C C# D > D C# A B C A#
A A# B C C# D D# > A# C# D D# A B C
A A# B C C# D D# E > C# D# B C A# D A E
A A# B C C# D D# F  C# > A D C# C# F A# D# C B
A A# B C C# D D# F# A D > A C# A A# D C D F# D B
A A# B C C# D D# G A C# A > G D# A A B D A# C# C# C A
A A# B C C# D D# G# G D# A A > G# D D# A G C A C# A# D# A B
A A# B C C# D E F G# D D# A G > D# F A C D D G# G B A A# C# E
A A# B C C# D E F# D# F A C D D > C A D E F# D A D A# C B D# C# F
A A# B C C# D E G C A D E F# D A > D C B A E D C# G A# D A F# E A C
 A A# B C C# D E G# D C B A E D C# G > A# B E D C C# C# C D G A A G# B D E
A A# B C C# D F F# A# B E D C C# C# C D > C# D A# C# F B B C# C C C D D F# E A A#
A A# B C C# D F G C# D A# C# F B B C# C C > C# B D F C# C# C A# C D A C F G B A# C# B
A A# B C C# D F G# C# B D F C# C# C A# C D A > B B F C# D G# C# A# A# C C C# C D A F C# A D
A A# B C C# D F# G B B F C# D G# C# A# A# C C C# > A G# C# F# B A# F G C# C D A# C C# C D A# B B C#
A A# B C C# D F# G# A G# C# F# B A# F G C# C D A# C > G# D A# A C# C# B G F C D G# F# C# B C F# C A A# A#   21
A A# B C C# D G G# G# D A# A C# C# B G F C D G# F# C# > A# D C C G# B A# C# C# B G F# A G# C# D C# A D F G# G


This is a bit compliacated for me to understand, maybe because I just had a dinner followed with few glasses of red wine,

but You could have explained it a bit simplier.

Do You mean by "12 choose 8" selecting of 8 out of 12 items list randomly and making a list out of it ?

And as next step add 1 random item to allready created list, putting it to next position in coll?

Or anything else, but in expkained in understandable language ?

I am sure something can be done to simplify the whole procedure ...

This is a bit compliacated for me to understand, maybe because I just had a dinner followed with few glasses of red wine,
but You could have explained it a bit simplier.
Do You mean by "12 choose 8"  selecting of  8  out of 12 items list randomly and making a list out of it ?
And as next step add 1 random item to allready created list, putting it to next position in coll?
Or anything else, but in expkained in understandable language ?

I am sure something can be done to simplify the whole procedure ...


I'm a few glasses of vodka/grapefruit in as well!! But yeah, basically 12 choose 8 (from a chromatic scale) produces an ordered list of around 160 combinations. Then, take the first 8 and randomize the order. Next, randomly choose 1 from the newly ordered list and add it to the next combination = 9. Then randomly order the 9, choose 2 from that list and add it to the next combination =10, and so on. No real easy way to explain. Cause each of the 160 combinations are different resulting in different 'new combinations' as the list grows.

The scramble works great that Floating Point sent and I already generated all the possible combinations of 12 choose 8. So for now I am doing the additive part manually and putting it into scramble patch. Tedious and time consuming!

I'm a few glasses of vodka/grapefruit in as well!! But yeah, basically 12 choose 8 (from a chromatic scale) produces an ordered list of around 160 combinations. Then, take the first 8 and randomize the order. Next, randomly choose 1 from the newly ordered list and add it to the next combination = 9. Then randomly order the 9,  choose 2 from that list and add it to the next combination =10, and so on. No real easy way to explain. Cause each of the 160 combinations are different resulting in different 'new combinations' as the list grows. 

The scramble works great that Floating Point sent and I already generated all the possible combinations of 12 choose 8. So for now I am doing the additive part manually and putting it into scramble patch. Tedious and time consuming!


Not the full solution, as I am not in full control over my brains,

but have a look at zl len and adding list to coll.

This is something that might ad an idea.
Not the full solution, as I am not in full control over my brains,
but have a look at zl len and adding list to coll.


cool! i like it. a bit ifferent than what i was working on but i am open minded.

Yes, for what You wanted, list manipulation stuff is esential.

There are zl objects, but also Lobjects by Peter Elsea, very helpfull stuff.

Yes, for what You wanted, list manipulation stuff is esential.
There are zl objects, but also Lobjects by Peter Elsea, very helpfull  stuff.
It is worth checking them all.


thanks. great info and examples. i'll look into the Elsea stuff.

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