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[ANN, NYC] Making Max Make Music with Markov Chains

January 17, 2013 | 12:00 am

I’m teaching a class in how to build, use, and "record" Markov Chains in NYC this SUNDAY. There’s still room.

More info here:

/ I hope this isn’t too spammy.

January 17, 2013 | 7:07 am

live stream? Record it and put it online afterwards? :)
pretty Pleeaase

January 17, 2013 | 7:53 am

prettttyyyyy Pleeeeeaaaase!!!!

January 17, 2013 | 10:22 am

Definitely +1

Alternatively (as it’s a paid workshop), I’d happily pay for a recording & patches.

January 17, 2013 | 12:31 pm

Whoa. I didn’t expect that st all… I’m not exactly sure what Harvestworks’ policy is on this. I’ll ask.

January 17, 2013 | 2:26 pm

I think I’m with David on this. Depending on price I would absolutely pay to watch. (The commute from Copenhagen might be a bit too long)

January 17, 2013 | 2:29 pm

I would gladly pay to view this class.

January 17, 2013 | 3:57 pm

take my money!

January 17, 2013 | 5:56 pm

Ok so harvest works has had some good experiences with online classes. I showed them this thread and we now have tentative plans to do one.. I’ll post about it when they are solidified.

January 17, 2013 | 10:05 pm

I would totally pay for access to a video stream as well.
Count me in!

January 18, 2013 | 10:24 am

That’s great news. Perhaps you could start a trend!

Which leads me to wonder – there are people in this community who are expert in very specific areas relating to maxetc. Maybe there’s a small market for this kind of thing – something more in depth than the tutorials that cycling already kindly provides.

January 18, 2013 | 5:47 pm

I agree, I can’t tell you how many times there has been a Max seminar that I would have loved to attend. But due to work obligations, I was not able to. If these lectures were recorded they could be made available to the public at a reasonable price. Thus making residual profit for the lecturer. These video lectures could be accessed through some Max learning portal. It would also give pro Max users, who may not want to deal with putting together a huge amount of intro curriculum, a place to share some particularly deep Max vertical.

January 19, 2013 | 12:52 pm

Anthony wrote: It would also give pro Max users, who may not want to deal with putting together a huge amount of intro curriculum, a place to share some particularly deep Max vertical.

Yes! Absolutely (speaking as one who wants to learn). One of the advantages of max is that you can "get by" – and that is also one of its disadvantages long term.

January 19, 2013 | 1:19 pm

Interested in the subject as well.

January 19, 2013 | 1:51 pm

90% chance we set up a date for an online class tomorrow. Demand, we shall supply!

Anthony, I agree. Unfortunately due to how rare it is to come across a musician maxer -although this is changing- It’s tough to imagine a viable class without the introductory material. I think these online classes are an attempt at changing that.

January 26, 2013 | 10:27 am

@AudioMatt Any news about this?

January 26, 2013 | 10:53 am

First of all, the physical class went really well and of course have me some ideas for improvement. We worked very hard for five hours on some super technical stuff and then all of the sudden POW our patches started emitting rock music. Very satisfying. :-)

The official word is that we are officially doing an online version of the course but there’s no official date yet. Harvestworks is using a system with online videos, forums and a few other bells and whistles so students can go at their own pace but they won’t be alone. My guess is late winter/early spring.

Thank you for your interest. This thread was key in making the online version a reality. I’ll bump this thread and probably make a new one when we have a date.

January 27, 2013 | 11:16 am

Thanks for the update, and I’m glad it all went well! Really looking forward to the course being available – and perhaps this will inspire the creation of more in depth courses.

April 12, 2013 | 6:50 pm

very interesting.
any news with the workshop video?

April 12, 2013 | 6:52 pm

Videos are done. They’re about an hour [edit: maybe more] in total. We’re doing some detail work, uploading and scheduling now.

April 12, 2013 | 7:22 pm

nice! please just drop here another mail when the video is ready for download etc…
did you also have the patches so we can than reproduce it in max? thanks, j

April 12, 2013 | 7:33 pm

This is all unofficial and subject to change without notice.

As it stands, there are ten main tutorial patches which the videos go over. Those patches incorporate markov chain abstractions which are also explained in the videos. The course is meant to explain to people how Markov chains work, how they work in music generation, and inspire students to be creative both in their use in a larger context and also how to hack them from the inside out. In addition, you’ll walk away having built your own algorithmic music generator patch using Markov Chains.

April 13, 2013 | 7:17 am

Hi AudioMatt,

Count me in as a keen bean too. Thanks!


April 15, 2013 | 9:03 pm

Please keep me in the loop.

April 15, 2013 | 9:30 pm

I like loops too ;)

May 19, 2013 | 5:10 am


Definitely interested in this.

May 19, 2013 | 5:17 am

there is a leak in the chain and they have lost all the numbers.

May 19, 2013 | 1:49 pm

so this is what happens if you break a markov chain…

May 19, 2013 | 2:35 pm

btw, my biggest problem with "chains" and "nets" always was the database part.

programming a markov chain ist a relatively simple game, but storing the data is not.

in OS9, where i dont have SQL, i have to use [coll], which is limited to 999×253 entries.
in OSX i have to use SQL or java – and both are slow, make you dependent on third-party stuff, and have to be learned first.


May 19, 2013 | 3:49 pm

patience.  We’re working on it.

May 19, 2013 | 4:40 pm

Yay :)

May 19, 2013 | 9:38 pm

I totally second the online content thing. I love teaching Max, but I don’t generally have time to get to some of the really out stuff during the semester…

May 21, 2013 | 6:47 am

Nice – I did a patch with Markov chanins once, if I remember rightly lobjects played a big part, – Ill send it over – to be honest it still sounded pretty random but still ….

May 21, 2013 | 8:57 am

I am waiting patiently…


May 21, 2013 | 8:44 pm

Count me in, baby…

May 29, 2013 | 10:17 am

and me

May 29, 2013 | 10:17 pm


June 11, 2013 | 7:10 am

Sorry it took so long guys. I’ll take the blame for that…

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