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yaniki

MaxMSP/Jitter and P5*js - a simple solution for interfacing "patches" created in MaxMSP/Jitter and "sketches" written in P5*js (

This is a side effect of my current work on some projects with WRO Art Center, dæd bɑɪtz, and others. It's an simple interface allowing communication between the MaxMSP and P5*js sketches loaded into Max [jweb] object, but can be very useful... for small number of people.

This "solution" is very basic, but may be easily adapted to individual needs, so I decided to share it with you.

Btw: Using the P5*js together with Max is opening some new horizons (I explore this issue for some time). I will try to elaborate on this in the near future.

http://paweljanicki.jp/projects_maxandp5js_en.html

MaxMSP/Jitter and P5*js - a simple solution for interfacing "patches" created in MaxMSP/Jitter and "sketches" written in P5*js (http://p5js.org).

more info, download: http://paweljanicki.jp/projects_maxandp5js_en.html


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Thank you for sharing this! Huge p5.js fan!


I have updated (and simplified) the instructions a bit.

Generally, to communicate P5js sketches loaded into Max [jweb] object with the parent patcher we have to avoid namespaces conflict between Max and P5js APIs. Fortunately, there is a very simple solution for this: just run your P5js sketch in so called "instance mode" (not default "global mode").

Example project and details: https://www.paweljanicki.jp/projects_maxandp5js_en.html

I have slightly updated  example project by adding a mechanism to enable/disable background (opaque/transparent switching). So now it is possible to use P5js sketch loaded into MaxMSP [jweb] object as a transparent "layer". This should make a little bit easier to create your own GUI elements in P5js - you no longer need to adjust the background color of the p5js sketch to the background color of the patch in MaxMSP.

Project's URL is still the same: https://www.paweljanicki.jp/projects_maxandp5js_en.html

I have updated MaxAndP5js a bit. I added a second example, showing how to launch (from a jweb object in MaxMSP) a p5js sketch using Vida library for simple motion detection.

I made some updates to the project: on the p5js side I refreshed the syntax of the example sketches (no more var!) and compatibility with new versions of Max is improved (8.2!).

Oh, and there is a new example: Euclidean/Bjorklund's rhythm generator (easy to adapt to any algorithm for generating rhythmical patterns). Bjorklund's algorithm is implemented on p5js side (JavaScript) and you may find Max-native, more robust, versions on the forum (e.g. https://cycling74.com/forums/using-euclideanbjorklund-algorithm-for-rhythm-generation-purely-in-max), but you can, with very little effort, integrate your preferable - Max-native or not, Euclidean or not - rhythm generator with the a handy GUI solution for visualising rhythmical patterns used in this example.

The location is unchanged: https://www.paweljanicki.jp/projects_maxandp5js_en.html 

I updated my pet-project MaxAndP5js - a simple solution for interfacing "patches" created in MaxMSP/Jitter and "sketches" written in p5js (https://p5js.org).

This time I added another example and corrected the descriptions of the existing ones. So, we now have the following examples:

01_messaging_and_dictionaries - basic mechanisms, messaging, sharing dictionaries between Max and p5js;
 
02_camera_and_motion_detection - simple "camera and motion detection based instrument". Motion detection is made "inside" jweb (and p5js sketch loaded into it) using Vida library (https://www.tetoki.eu/vida) for p5js;

03_euclidean_rhythm_generator - Euclidean/Bjorklund's rhythm generator (easy to adapt to any algorithm for generating rhythmical patterns). Bjorklund's algorithm is implemented on p5js side (JavaScript) and you may find Max-native, more robust, versions on the forum (e.g. https://cycling74.com/forums/using-euclideanbjorklund-algorithm-for-rhythm-generation-purely-in-max), but you can, with very little effort, integrate your preferable - Max-native or not, Euclidean or not - rhythm generator with the a handy GUI solution for visualising rhythmical patterns used in this example;

04_generative_text_with_rita - a text generator based on RiTa library (https://rednoise.org/rita) for p5js. Generating sentences based on Markov strings, access to the RiTa lexicon (random words, rhymes). It's only a small fraction of RiTa features exposed in this example, but it is relatively easy to bind more RiTa mechanisms to your patch.

The location is unchanged:  https://www.paweljanicki.jp/projects_maxandp5js_en.html 

[sharing is...] MaxMSP/Jitter and P5*js

Julien Bayle

I’m working on developing the template made by Stefan Brunner that lets you « convert » RNBO patches to VST using juce (

https://github.com/Cycling74/rnbo.example.juce

During the development of my solution, I debugged with Max, with a vst~ object in it that allowed me to open my plugin without any problems. The templates now runs how I want it to, builds and run like a charm. The only problem is that the VST that it outputs seems to not respect every rules (?) needed for it to work properly. Let me explain. When I first compiled the code, I tried to open the plugin in Live, didn’t work, opened it in Max and Reaper and it worked, so I chose to develop using Max and focus on that problem later. Everything worked fine, I even linked max to an Xcode Scheme, and it provided a really smooth workflow. Now that I’v finished this phase, I want to fix the bug I’ve had since the start. I’ve tried to debug using pluginVal 

https://github.com/Tracktion/pluginval/tree/develop

https://github.com/steinbergmedia/vst3sdk

), and it doesn’t seem to see any problem.  

Still, the VST doesn’t appear in Ableton Live. Trying to see what is wrong, I went into Reaper to open it. It worked a few times, but without the changes I implemented to the template (and auto. GUI). Then after a few trials, it seems that it is keeping a version of the VST and not changing it (same name, same UI), even when I change the version in my Plugin folder (I tried every re-scan options)… I really don’t know what is happening, and would really appreciate some help. 

(the "I" is Iwan Paturel intern at Structure Void)

I’m working on developing the template made by Stefan Brunner that lets you « convert » RNBO patches to VST using juce...

fixing-custom-rnbo-to-vst-detectionexecution-bug

Fixing custom RNBO to VST detection/execution bug

David Martin

So apparently w3c has picked up / is working on a spec for 

 so we'll soon be able to compile compiled languages for the web -- what are the chances we'll be able to build/compile max patches for standalone use in a web / browser context?

So apparently w3c has picked up / is working on a spec for WebAssembly so we'll soon be able to compile compiled languages for the web  -- what are the chances we'll be able to build/compile max patches for standalone use in a web / browser context? 

So apparently w3c has picked up / is working on a spec for WebAssembly so we'll soon be able to compile compiled languages for the web  -- w

compile-for-webassembly

+1

Preparing Max for further web integration is likely very, very important.

compile for webassembly

Iwan Paturel

I'm using the RNBO export function and the VCV rack SDK to translate my RNBO patches into Rack modules. I'm trying to hack a little bit into the system (module.cpp, rnbo_source.cpp and others) in order to be able to control the appearance of the final module directly from the parameters or in/outlets metadata field. 

The issue is that there is no implementation of the "meta" field in the rnbo c++ export. Well, it does exist in the "description.json", but there is no solution implemented to access it easily, meaning that the field doesn't exit in the "rnbo_source.cpp", neither in the "ParameterInfo" struct in "RNBO_Types.h" : 

struct ParameterInfo
	{
		ParameterType type;
		IOType ioType = IOTypeUndefined;
		ParameterValue min = 0.;
		ParameterValue max = 1.;
		ParameterValue initialValue = 0.;
		ParameterValue exponent = 1.;
		int steps = 0; // 0 = continuous, 1 = toggle, 2+ indicates steps in the normalized representation
		bool debug = false;
		bool saveable = false;
		bool transmittable = false;
		bool initialized = false;
		bool visible = false;
		const char **enumValues = nullptr;
		const char *displayName = "";
		const char *unit = "";
		SignalIndex signalIndex = INVALID_INDEX;
	};


As these files are generated by RNBO during the export, I cannot modify them in order to have the informations needed. I don't want my first option to be to parse the .json file... Is there any way that I could get the metadata directly from the RNBO export in a way similar to the ParameterInfo struct ? 

Hi everyone, 

I'm using the RNBO export function and the VCV rack SDK to translate my RNBO patches into Rack modules. I'm trying to hack a...

getting-the-rnbo-parameters-metadata-with-a-getter-from-the-rnbosourcecpp-or-similar

Getting the RNBO parameters metadata with a getter from the rnbo_source.cpp (or similar)

Joe Kaplan

 there is mentioned a "value" attribute.  Can anyone share some additional detail on what this attribute is and what it does?

I discovered that it only works if the type is set to "number".  Otherwise it returns a funky compiler error. 

To my knowledge, pattr can handle all the attributes of an object, including attributes of any type.  Not simply number attributes called "value."  So I don't understand what this attribute would be used for.

I am writing a UI object, and I'd like to persist a string between sessions.  Save the string with the patch, and recall the saved string on load.

I think the "savestate" message would be ideal for my purpose.  But I also discovered that "savestate" doesn't work with UI objects.  So I thought maybe persisting the string through pattr using this "Value" attribute might be possible.  But I'm not really understanding what this is or how it works.

Ideally the string would be internal to the object, and so not externally represented as an attribute, but at this point I'm willing to consider anything.  

In the Min Devkit docs there is mentioned a "value" attribute.  Can anyone share some additional detail on what this attribute is and what...

what-is-the-value-attribute

What is the "value" attribute?

Shakeeb Alireza

This is more of a personal observation: as I've been playing around with the 

, which I find quite nice and clean in terms of the overall design, I keep arriving at the conclusion that the use of macros,  like 

 which hide  important parameter signatures and return values of the lambdas or functions they replace, may make the api more difficult for newcomers to understand, especially if they are coming from using the c-based max-sdk.

This was indeed the case for me: I found the long form conveyed  a lot more  information than the abbreviated macro usage and end up replacing all instances of 

[this](const c74::min::atoms& args, const int inlet) -> c74::min::atoms

[this](const atoms& args, const int inlet) -> atoms

with the clearer and only 2 chars longer: 

To be fair, I'm not all suggesting to remove such macros, as I assume once you get used to the api, you can reach out to the abbreviated form more readily, but just in the beginning of the learning curve, they read like an intermediate DSL on top of supposedly hairy c++ details ,  except that once you want to do anything that's not basic, you have to understand what lies below and notice that the c++ details, at least the ones that are not complex templates, are relatively straightforward.

This is more of a personal observation: as I've been playing around with the min-api, which I find quite nice and clean in terms of the...

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