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Cornelius Renken

Hi! I've successfully managed to recreate pitch movement in a delay by changing the write and read index position. In hindsight my issue with this is that after the delay time has reached it's target, all pitching goes back to normal, because now the difference between read and write index is constant again and there is no more doppler effect. The only way to combat this is having a really long smoothing time between tempo changes but it seems inelegant.

I'm looking to fully recreate the effect of a slowed down tape:

When I change the delay time, the whole 'tape' changes tempo and all previously recorded sounds are staying pitched forever, only newly recorded sounds are at the 'correct' pitch. As I understand it, for this model, the read and write heads (index position) stay constant, and the delay time is only effected by the speed of the tape.

My thought process was therefore to keep the index positions at a constant difference, and only change the rate of the phasor writing and reading the data buffer.

I've found an amazing forum post that tackles the exact questionI have. I tried to implement everything but I failed to do so correctly. Maybe somebody with more gen/max knowledge would know of a better way to convert this explanation into gen.

https://forum.mutable-instruments.net/t/simulating-tape-analogue-delay-in-dsp/7789/7

If somebody could give an insight into where im going wrong, i'd be extremely thankful! Especially with the linked forum post being exactly my question, I feel so close but yet so far.

Tape Delay in Gen~.maxpat

I'm looking to fully recreate the effect of a slowed down tape:
When I change the delay time, the whole 'tape' changes tempo and all previously recorded sounds are staying pitched forever, only newly recorded sounds are at the 'correct' pitch. As I understand it, for this model, the read and write heads (index position) stay constant, and the delay time is only effected by the speed of the tape.

My thought process was therefore to keep the index positions at a constant difference, and only change the rate of the phasor writing and reading the data buffer.

I've found an amazing forum post that tackles the exact questionI have. I tried to implement everything but I failed to do so correctly. Maybe somebody with more gen/max knowledge would know of a better way to convert this explanation into gen.
https://forum.mutable-instruments.net/t/simulating-tape-analogue-delay-in-dsp/7789/7 
(This is the post, by user TheSlowGrowth)

If somebody could give an insight into where im going wrong, i'd be extremely thankful! Especially with the linked forum post being exactly my question, I feel so close but yet so far.

Thanks!
Cornelius

Hi! I've successfully managed to recreate pitch movement in a delay by changing the write and read index position. In hindsight my issue wit

gen~-tape-delay-emulation-tape-speed

Gen~ Tape Delay Emulation (tape speed)

oshii

Hopefully you've had nice new year's celebration. Mine mostly went in banging my head with Gen - my favourite head banger these days! :D

Honestly, I'm not quite  happy with the amount of information provided in the help files/ Gen references, which (not for a first time) couldn't help me finding solution for this simple problem which would take just few minutes to solve in Max: write simple data in buffer.

I've attached a simple patcher, would be really happy if someone can have a look and let me know what I'm doing wrong.

Happy new year everyone!

Hopefully you've had nice new year's celebration. Mine mostly went in banging my head with Gen - my favourite...

gen-simple-data-management-with-buffer

Gen~ simple data management with buffer

Max Waters

 tutorial on using  mc.gen~ to write a granular synth. I haven't got very far however as the mc.gen~ window regularly crashes. 

It reports a huge list of errors like this:

gen_domain: dsp.gen: [string "gen2.PatcherToExpr.max"]:45: attempt to index local 'patcher' (a userdata value)
gen~: failed to compile patcher
gen_domain: dsp.gen: [string "-- main2.lua..."]:697: failed to compile genpatcher
gen~: failed to compile patcher

And then the mc.gen~ object resets to its default (a simple sum of its inputs).

Does anyone have any idea what the problem is? 

I'm following this tutorial on using  mc.gen~ to write a granular synth. I haven't got very far however as the mc.gen~ window regularly...

contents-of-mcgen-disappearing

contents of mc.gen~ disappearing

axers fall

In this video,I will show you how to re-creat this famous 

please check out my youtube channel for more 

In this video,I will show you how to re-creat this famous bernoulli gate module named "branches" only with gen~.

please check out my...

bernoulli-gate-re-creat-braches-module-in-gen

Bernoulli gate ------ re-creat braches module in gen~

Eren Utku

I am trying to implement this phaser algorithm from the book "Audio Processes" by David Creasey in gen~ but I don't get any crucial audible difference.  I think the problem has to do with the second order all pass filter but I couldn't figure it out. I would appreciate any help, thanks in advance! 

I am trying to implement this phaser algorithm from the book "Audio Processes" by David Creasey in gen~ but I don't get any crucial audible...

phaser-in-gen

Phaser in gen~

In this video,I will show you how to play 

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In this video,I will show you how to play random drum slices and make some chance% paramaters including reverse your playback.

if you like...

how-to-play-random-drum-slices-with-gen

How to play random drum slices with gen~

mizu

perplex around gen~.curve.maxpat : the += continues to count after the clipped value is reached. Maybe in gen~ is it without consequence, and add 0 or 1 is the same charge of cpu. Maybe one time compilled, if a "branch" of calcul has no more usage, the process is ignored ? Is it more "sane" to use a counter and stop it at the end of a ramp ?

sorry for my english ( i learned it essentially on the Max forums :-)) Thanks You all !

In Max domain, i learned to optimise and carefully stop processes when the goal is reached. Maybe connecting something after the += says him to continue ?

Hi !

perplex around gen~.curve.maxpat : the += continues to count after the clipped value is reached. Maybe in gen~ is it without...

cpu-use-of-before-clip-0-nn-in-gen

cpu use of += before clip 0 nn in gen~ ?

In the following forum post, I found a Schroeder Reverb written completely in genExpr:

https://cycling74.com/forums/best-practices-converting-large-gen-patches-to-genexpr-codebox-code#reply-5fdd49a17fd00008d13ab203

and I saw that the allpass filters and comb filters are described in the following way:

	ap1 = allpass(sig, 0.7, 347 * size);
	ap2 = allpass(ap1, 0.7, 113 * size);
	ap3 = allpass(ap2, 0.7, 37  * size);

	fc1 = fbcomb(ap3, 0.773, 1687);
	fc2 = fbcomb(ap3, 0.802, 1601);
	fc3 = fbcomb(ap3, 0.753, 2053);
	fc4 = fbcomb(ap3, 0.733, 2251);

I see this kind of approach in all genExpr codes. But can't we write this something similar to this? (ignore vec since it doesn't work in gen dsp apparently, take it as a pseudo-code):

dtimes_AP = vec(347, 113, 37);
gains_Comb = vec(0.773, 0.802, 0.753, 0.733);
dtimes_Comb = vec(1687, 1601, 2053, 2251);
fc = vec();

for(i=0; i<=2; i+=1) {
	sig = allpass(sig, 0.7, dtimes_AP(i) * size);
}
	
for(i=0; i<=3; i+=1) {
	fc(i) = fbcomb(sig, gains_Comb(i), dtimes_Comb(i));
}

In addition,  array structures are not available on genExpr. Doesn't this create an extreme handicap, how do you all overcome this? 

Sidenote: I also would appreciate if anyone has an online resource for genExpr Syntax. The documentation doesn't seem to cover all the capabilities.

In the following forum post, I found a Schroeder Reverb written completely in...

arrays-and-for-loops-for-dsp-in-genexpr

Arrays and For loops for DSP in genExpr

Seems like I can't get phasor to sync by resetting its phase.

What am I doing wrong? Can someone please explain, as I've spent hours and just don't get it: how the right inlet of phasor is supposed to work at all? (gen help file, unlike the rest of the Max help files, are very obscure to me)

gen-phasor-phase-sync-not-working

gen~ phasor phase sync not working?

Christien Ayers

I've been bashing my head in for days trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong... hopefully someone can help. I've made a very simple monophonic granulator patch in Gen, which takes in a single value to change the size (in ms) of the grain from a buffer. 

The grain has a Gaussian amplitude envelope, so there are no pops or clicks when the size is static. But every time I click and drag a number box (connected to the gen~ patcher inlet) up and down to  change the grain size, I get a ton of clicks. Dragging quickly in order to make larger changes in grain size, say from 10ms to 1000ms, doesn't generate many clicks because the amplitude envelope in the gen patch retriggers so often—every time the inlet value changes—that the signal remains near silent until I stop changing the value. However, changing from 10ms to 12ms, produces these clicks. 

I'm assuming the reason this occurs is because of discontinuities in the signal that occur every time the grain size is changed before the amplitude envelope returns back to 0. I tried to account for that by implementing Miller Puckette's "switch and ramp" technique described 

, but it doesn't seem like it's working. Or I'm misunderstanding something! Does anyone have any ideas on how to  solve this issue?

Gen Forum