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Felix Pastor

Can shutting down the projector connected to Mac running Max/Jitter via HDMI cause Max to freeze?

I'm trying to figure out why my Max patch stropped responding during a performance. The patch uses Mubu (not in a very computation intensive way) and Jitter (very simple: two clips - texture outputs - that are crossfaded). There are 3 audio inputs to Max, 6 channels routed to Live (Blackhole 16) and stereo pair out with a Scarlett.

I've been running this patch for the past two weeks with no issues at all during rehearsals even under stress (triggering commands like a monkey, leaving it on for a couple of hours, etc). The only difference is I wasn't using an external monitor or projector.

At the show I was projecting via HDMI and everything worked flawlessly for the sound check, dress rehearsal and even a final quick run-through of the entire program. However, during the show, at the start of my piece, the video was jumpy, slowly got worse, and eventually the entire patch stopped responding (or responded to some things and not others). The audio also got worse but Live responded. I even shut of the DSP in Max and turned it back on to see if that liberated something.

I've run through my patch looking for mistakes or memory traps or...Help please!

Max/Jitter problems after projector failure

maxjitter-problems-after-projector-failure

Ed Selby

I got an issue when capturing UHD video via a Blackmagic PCIe card using the device

The captured image is fine when using @output_texture 0 but it is half the width with artifacts when using @output_texture 1. See the screenshot attached.

Is there a solution to get the full width resolution for @output_texture 1 ?

are working in terms of texture resolution.

By the way, DeckLink Quad HDMI Recorder [Native]/ @output_texture 1 is the only setting where I am able to achieve 60fps as mentioned here:

https://cycling74.com/forums/video-capture-uhd60fps

Update: It does happen with FHD input source even worse, see attached screenshots

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output_texture_1920x1080.png

 Windows 10 / Max 8.1.4 GL3 

I got an issue when capturing UHD video via a Blackmagic  PCIe card using the device
- DeckLink Quad HDMI Recorder [Native]
The captured image is fine when using @output_texture 0 but it is half the width with artifacts when using  @output_texture 1. See the screenshot attached.
Is there a solution to get the full width resolution for  @output_texture 1 ?

The other Blackmagic devices
- Blackmagic WDM Capture
- Decklink Video Capture 
are working in terms of texture resolution.

By the way,  DeckLink Quad HDMI Recorder [Native]/ @output_texture 1   is the only setting where I am able to achieve 60fps as mentioned here:
https://cycling74.com/forums/video-capture-uhd60fps

 Windows 10 / Max 8.1.4 GL3 

I got an issue when capturing UHD video via a Blackmagic  PCIe card using the device
- DeckLink Quad HDMI Reco

blackmagic-native-video-capture-issue-when-using-output_texture-1

Blackmagic Native video capture issue when using @output_texture 1

Cunning Jester

I am experiencing inexplicable behaviour of gl-objects when mixing various textures as simple jit.gl.videoplanes in poly~. The jit.gl.node they all draw to captures the textures randomly and mostly not at all; most noticeably it draws a black texture as soon as the poly~-patchers are closed (which is of course their default state), the textures themselves appear black too along the way. Even other sub patchers along the cascade of further FX sometimes need to be opened to see anything further down the line. It is in fact hard to explain and sharing the patch is far from useful since it contains too many dependencies. perhaps my macMini's performance is reaching its limit although the framerate is constant and smooth. 

This behavior, however, is not linked to any [active] object in the patches nor are there any conflicting layers which overwrite the visible content. By simply closing respective sub patchers with the videoplanes the bug (?) is easily reproduced here in this setup. Any ideas? Anyone?

It is actually quite urgent for me to find a solution.

I am running the latest Max version and am on macOS Sonoma (14.2).

HELLP! jit.gl.node stops capturing when sub patchers are not visible

hellp-jitglnode-stops-capturing-when-sub-patchers-are-not-visible

Hi everyone! I'm opening this thread in case any of you have questions, doubts, suggestions, etc, related to the Vsynth Package.

Remember I'm uploading info, screenshots, videos here:

Hi everyone! I'm opening this thread in case any of you have questions, doubts, suggestions, etc, related to the Vsynth Package.
Remember I'm uploading  info, screenshots, videos here: https://www.facebook.com/vsynth74/
https://www.instagram.com/vsynth74/
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Cheers!

Hi everyone! I'm opening this thread in case any of you have questions, doubts, suggestions, etc, related to the Vsynth Package.
Remember...

vsynth-package

Many thanks for the vsynth package, I'm enjoying it a lot, great work. One thing I would like to see is the capability to automate effect parameters, eg on the rota object. Is this something you are considering?

Hi Paul, thanks for your words.
Taking into account we are inside Max and there are a lot of snippets out there to automate things, I won’t develop them myself (at least not for now). I’m focusing on the oscillators, cv_ins, envelopes, filters, that is, all that has to do with video synthesis. However, for the next update, I’m adding a control inlet in every module so you can externally control them in a Max-style way with whatever you want! Here is a screenshot that exemplifies this better. You can see I’m controlling parameters with Beap and Vizzie (but this can be whatever you want) by adding just one or two simple Max objects.


That's great news - being able to control vs parameters with standard Max objects will be even better. I think I had - incorrectly - assumed you were aiming for a fully self contained system. This will be much better.

v1.0 was released yesterday fellows, go grab it through the package manager! Lots of new features!


Hi . First of all thanks for this brilliant tool. I tried your beta and was loving it ! im dying to try the new version  ,but the max package manager doesnt like me today. any manual way of installing it? otherwise i will just wait
THANKS , great job!


Thanks Carlo. Yes, I uploaded the package to gumroad for those with an older version than Max 7.1. Place it under /Documents/Max 7/Packages.

Thanks a lot. Working really smooth this new update.
Thanks for all that examples !


Hey just passing by to say this is amazing, lots of thanks, having loads of fun, and it's useful to learn a bit about jit.gl.pix too :) One question about the feedback though, i'm not sure i understand when it can be connected, like what are the conditions and the logic behind it ? As i'm a noob in graphic generation and trying to use my little knowledge from audio synth to transpose it to this world.


Thanks so much for making this and sharing it with the community! I starting playing with V Synth about a week ago and I really love it! It’s so nice to have access to this process of image making without the insane price of modular hardware or their restrictions, especially fixed NTSC resolution!

I have a couple of questions that probably relate to the same issue:

1. Sometimes after building up a patch with many wave generators, I'll decide to unplug/delete one or more from either an FM path or mixer path but their feed continues to affect the generator or mixer it was previously connected to. Is this normal? I wonder if this happens because I am often copying module chains (alt-dragging) and the copied modules have overlapping named contexts by not being instantiated from the V Synth menu bar? Do VSynth modules have to be instantiated from the VSynth Menu Bar in order to function properly?

2. I've been trying to use Snapshots with my V Synth patches. I feel like Snapshots is a huge feature to be able to take advantage of within Max7, especially when compared to equipment based modular analog video synthesis, in which preset making is impossible. Many of the V Synth modules aren't natively visible by Snapshots but I have been able to make them visible by modifying controller objects within the original bpatchers.  For example, in the CLRIZER module I've ticked 'Parameter Mode Enable' to ON for the 'swatch' object within the bpatcher and now it seems to work fine with Snapshots.

The big problem I had is that the native VSynth Menu Bar will create/instantiate a bunch of new modules every time I change presets in Snapshot. Often times these modules include new R3NDER modules which then create huge conflicts with the VSynth output window, sometimes even crashing Max7 in the process. Initially I tried to fix this within the V Synth Menu Bar by disabling 'Parameter Mode Enable' for the ‘coll’ object in that bpatcher. It seemed like it had worked until I tried to create a new VSynth module from the VSynth Menu Bar and I was no longer able to instantiate new modules at all. Reactivating the 'Parameter Mode Enable' for that coll didn’t work ( I now understand why) and I had to start again by completely reinstalling the VSynth Package.

Now I think I’ve figured out how to fix the issue with the VSynth Menu Bar. In the bpatcher for all of the ‘live.menu’ objects I have changed their ‘Parameter Visibility’ to ‘Hidden’.

I guess I’ve probably solved my problem here, but perhaps I can make a feature request out of this? Could all of the VSynth modules be made compatible with Snapshots in a future update? I’d be happy to give you notes or copies of my patches that I’ve fixed for this use, if you’d like.

Thanks again for such an awesome set of tools!


Hi there. Really enjoying V Synth! Are the control parameter names for each module documented anywhere? Some are obvious, but others are not & having trouble guessing. For instance, on WFG_Shapes and WFG_2, the time parameter does not respond to the message "time x".  Also, several parameters on XYZ.Displace are a mystery.

@VICHUG: you are doing feedback when you displace (frequency - position in the screen) or mix (amplitude - brightness) the video signal with itself (or with itself+process). Here an image of two simple feedback chains to illustrate. I’m working on a patch-book at the moment but in the meantime, you can also try with the cam_2 or a lumakey+framedelay among others. There are a lot of possibilities actually!


@TYSON: sorry for the delay and thanks for taking the time to write all this, really appreciated!

1. Is normal, is happening to me too and that's the reason why I didn’t add more ‘cv’ inputs to the modules. I think I found a way to solve this but I need to work and test it more before release it. I always alt-drag, thats not the problem!

2. I've started a preset system with the pattr familly objects but using the new Snapshots system sounds promising and easier/faster to develop. I will look at it and yes, of course I wanna see patches! Does Snapshots allow to morph between presets?

@JAKE RODRIGUEZ: they aren’t. I will post them in the next update. To control time you should write "/time 0”, “/time 1”, etc. You can always open up the bpatchers, is really easy to add your own control params!


thank you--i don't know why it didn't occur to me to open up the bpatchers at first. i have since added controls everywhere i need them, and spied on the ones already present.

Perfect Jake, just remember to backup before downloading the next release!


Am interested in learning more about the Patchbook. I don't have Max, just use M4L inside Live. Will that limit what Vsynth/Patchbook can do? Is there a syphon out or other video out option to use with Live, or the ways to save your work?


@JCRYSTAL You can use the Patchbook without having the Vsynth Package installed. The difference is that you won't have the entire modular environment to build your own configurations but some configurations I came up with to produce certain visuals. Both configurations from the Starter Kit of course comes with Syphon Output. You can load them in your Live set and turn them on and off to have different 'scenes' with presets.


do vsynth modules support custom midi mapping for a midi controller? 

@BYOU, you can control all the modules externally by sending messages to the most right inlet. For midi mapping check the 'external_connection' tab on the Launcher and to see the complete list of the public variables go to the 'sync_time' tab.

Hi everyone! I'm gonna leave here some of the patches I sent to the students that attended my Vsynth workshops.' Hope they are useful to you too! You should have the latest Vsynth version installed (v1.2.1), so if you didn't update now its good time to do it! 

Thanks Kevin! Is the latest version the one in the Max package managet?

yes @foldh, also available here  for the ones still in Max 7.0

Vsynth v1.2.2
I've just uploaded a little update that brings some new features and bug fixes. They are all detailed in the changelog file. As usual, you can grab it through the Package Manager or from here. 

Hello, I just updated the package and I'm having some problems. The patchers don't appear. Here's how the problema looks like. Thanks!

basic questions on this - apologies for any noobery

this stuff outputs to a jit.pwindow just fine but can it go into a regular jit matrix? I tried just running it into jit.matrix and it makes something but it seems to be just color changing and not my shapes. I ask cause I've got some things going already in other jitter stuff and wanna combine the vsynth stuff and the other stuff with jit.op.


@JIM LEYDEN you can connect it to a [jit.matrix 4 char 320 240] for example, but my advice is to stay on the GPU and use either Vsynth's [operators2] module or check the jit.gl.slab-op.maxpat. 

is it possible to control the PM on a WFG via sending a message through the right inlet, the way you can with freq, fm, and other variables? 

@BYOU you can do that in the WFG_2 with Vsynth v1.2.2. Cheers!

@2K thanks man everything is lookin noice now

Hi, I would like to do a visual and audio project with a friend. Him with his modular synth and me to the video. The idea would be to use and modify the shape of the waves emitted by its modular oscillators and then project them. I am just starting to use Ma7 and I also have M4L. VSynth is it is ideal tool for this kind of thing? Is it better that I use The PatchBook on M4L? Thank you

Asked a question sort of tangential to Vsynth over here, curious if anyone knows how to alter the amount of inputs into the mixers:

https://cycling74.com/forums/jit%C2%B7gl%C2%B7pix-inputs-and-vsynth 

Jitter Forum