best max/msp audio~ tutorials?

is there a comprehensive list/site of max/msp tutorials (youtube/docs)?

so far the [delicious] and [joel rich] youtube tutorials have been great, and i randomly strayed upon this ftp://arts.ucsc.edu/pub/ems/maxtutors/ and his l-objects which was the learning curve i was looking for.

so, is there any other decent max/msp tutorials worth checking? i've worked through -- and working back through -- the tutorials installed with max/msp.

anything will do -- i'm interested in anything max/msp at the moment in the domain of experimental electronic music.

thanks