Max 8, Max for Live and gen runtime

Tarik's icon

Very nooby question, but couldn't find answers:

Why is Gen in my fully authorized Live 10 in runtime mode? How do I solve this? Cause I would like to continue developing patches containing Gen. Or do I need to reinstall Live 9 to do this?

Max itself tells me to 'get a full gen licence' but redirects me to a cycling74 page where I can do no such thing.

also - did I miss a FAQ where these things are explained?

-t

Tarik's icon

Thanks Andrew!

-t

Mellon's icon

Hello! I too am having this issue among others with my M4L program. Should we have waited until Max 8 was out to purchase Live 10?

Ben Bracken's icon

Hi all,

Just to clarify, we will have a fix for Gen editing, for those who have a Max 7 license and are using Live 10. This will be available in an upcoming version of Live in the very near future. Although a cumbersome workaround, for now you should still be able to use Max 7 to edit Gen patchers.

Thanks for your patience!
Ben

Mellon's icon

When can we expect a fully working version of Max to be bundled into Live? "Max technology is now fully integrated into Live 10 Suite."

Ben Bracken's icon

@MELLON I don't have a timetable for this fix, but it will be sooner than later.

Although Max technology is now bundled in Live, there may continue to be differences in the version that is bundled versus the standalone Max app.

dsmd's icon

Hi Ben,

Is this fix already available? If not, when will it be available?

Thanks

Craig Barrett's icon

Hi

I'm brand new to Max for Live and I'm also having this problem. I don't know if I'm trying to edit a gen~ plugin - is there a way to tell? Will I actually see gen~ somewhere? I'm trying to fix a bug in the Pluggo Stutterer effect and Max For Live both says it's authorised (when I try to authorise it) and that it's not because saving is disabled with the message that I must authorise it to enable saving. Assuming this isn't a gen~ device, is there a known cause of this problem?

I'm using Windows 10 Home, loading the editor using the edit button on the device in Live.

Thanks
Craig

Cory Metcalf's icon

Hi Craig,

You can tell you are in gen~ because you have to double-click a gen~ object to edit the contents. You'll also see a different set of toolbar options on the bottom and left.

As for the issue you are having with saving, send us an email in support (support@cycling74.com) and we'll help you get sorted.

Best,
Cory

Chris Reed's icon

Has the ability of creating and editing gen patches been implemented into Live 10 / Max for Live yet? I'm on the fence on whether or not I want to purchase Live and this would be an important factor for me. Thanks!

Max Gardener's icon

It is still the case that Live Suite owners need to crossgrade to the standalone version of Max in order to create or edit gen~.

https://cycling74.com/products/crossgrade

Chris Reed's icon

Thanks for the quick reply! Is it something that will eventually be available in Max for Live? or are there no plans for it in Live 10?

Max Gardener's icon

You're welcome! There are no plans to change it at this time. If you want to create or edit gen~ in Max for Live, you'll need to crossgrade to a standalone license.

Robert Syrett's icon

So I just updated to Max 8.1.3 and opened a patch that a friend sent my way and at the top of the gen patcher window it says "Currently in runtime mode. Get a full license at [etc]."

If I have a full licence for Max, do I need a separate licence for Gen? Is this a bug? I also have Ableton Live 10 suite that I crossgraded from 9 standard, would that have messed up my Max 8 license?

LSka's icon

Maybe you're using the bundled Max app in Live.
Try opening Live Preferences, go to the "File Folder" tab and browse to your standalone Max.

Robert Syrett's icon

I am thinking I should just contact support.

Max Gardener's icon

As Lska says, I would first check to see whether the version of Max that is being used when you're in Live is the bundled version (which does not support editing gen~ stuff) or your upgraded version. You'll need to check the Live application preferences, as LSKA suggests.

Robert Syrett's icon

How would I check? I downloaded the Max 8.1.3 disk image and installed that by dragging it into the app folder after putting 8.0.5 into the trash folder. Then I right-clicked to open 8.1.3 from the app folder. Would that still possibly be Max 4 live?

LSka's icon

Yes, if you have problems even with the standalone Max, you should contact support.

Robert Syrett's icon

Thank you for the reply, I appreciate the effort.