Max on Lattepanda


    Jun 21 2016 | 8:44 pm
    A small month ago i have received the Lattepanda 4G RAM - 64G eMMC, installed all and it's running nice! (Because i have pre-ordered, i have Windows 10 for free with the Lattepanda.) Best of all; Max 7 runs smooth on it! :) But this are the first tests with simple example patches. see image in attachment; Max 7 running Javascript example patch.
    Screen is the 7inch touch screen from Lattepanda that has an amazing quality for such low price. Only difficult to take picture from it.
    Is there somebody else with some Max/Lattepanda experience?
    @Cycling74: Stupid question, but anyway: Can i use my Max 7 MacOS license also on this Windows 10 Max 7 installation without messing up my license?

    • Jun 21 2016 | 9:15 pm
      Interesting!
      In looking at their webpage it's really unclear what the Windows license is (the price of it goes up quite a bit if you also have to buy a Windows license).
      Not really knowing much about it, could this be hackintosh-ed?
    • Jun 22 2016 | 7:51 pm
      With their Kickstarter the Windows 10 license what free included, but that i have missed with one day. So i have that time directly bought the Lattepanda pre-ordered on http://www.dfrobot.com, pre-ordered was with Windows 10 because dfrobot and Lattepanda are partners. After the pre-ordered period and till now they sell the Lattepanda (64bit) 4G RAM – 64G eMMC without Windows 10 license and the Lattepanda (32bit) 2G RAM – 32G eMMC with Windows 10 license.
      This, i guess only to have the possibility to sell the Lattepanda (32bit) 2G RAM – 32G eMMC. But who wants that while there is a Lattepanda (64bit) 4G RAM – 64G eMMC ? http://www.dfrobot.com/index.php?route=product/search&description=true&search=lattepanda So my setup has cost me $194,5 for a silent quite fast running mini pc with license + 7" touch screen + Arduino board.
      Also the HDMI output on a 27" monitor + the 7" touchscreen for navigation works like a charm.
      But without Windows 10 license i also wasn't willing to buy. I am a Mac/Linux user so i really don't need Windows 10 except to run Max on this. Anyway i will install dual boot Windows 10 / Debian Linux soon. Windows 10 for Max + buid-in Arduino, Debian for PD + hackintosh Arduino.
      That's for me the most amazing thing, direct connect sensors and servo motors on a mini pc.
      Maybe Max will run in Wine on Debian or other Linux Distro? If i find much much time i can try that out.
      Yes, maybe Hackintosh will work but i don't think that the build-in Arduino board will be easy to connect with that.
      I am more interested in Max on Linux anyway. Hello Cycling74? :-)
      More interesting tests to come when i am in vacation. :-)
      Quite amazing, if it stay running. :-) So, i keep my fingers crossed!
    • Jun 22 2016 | 10:52 pm
      That's a weird tier system if you can get the wimpy one with Windows, or the good one without....
      Personally I would be more interested in having a stable OS running with Max, rather than using the built-in Arduino-ish stuff. It's easy enough to add an Arduino anyways. What's valuable is having a small/compact system that runs a "real" OS (one that Max runs on), rather than Linux.
      The Linux desire is twofold. The biggest one (for me) is to be able to run Max in an embedded way, where I don't actually care what the OS is doing as it's simply a container for Max. The second desire is to abandon OSX as a platform altogether, which is a loftier goal.
    • Jun 24 2016 | 6:58 am
      1st paragraph: Yes, that's a strange way of selling. 2th paragraph: You have found what your describing: Lattepanda + Windows 10 + Max. I know the build-in Arduino is a (big) extra. :-)
      3th paragraph: To use Max in an embedded way you will need Windows or MacOSX, if you want to abandon MacOSX their's only Windows left over. So, then you have to buy anyway a Windows license. :-) But i imaging that's not what you want.
      A Mac Mini or Mini PC are still good options, anyway.
      One of the reasons we should have the possibility to run Max on Linux is the performance. Their are a lot of very performance friendly Linux distros that will give Max a boost on such small computer systems. Some that i have test installed where running so fast on my MacBook Pro that i erased because i became total nervous of it. :-) Windows and MacOSX are full of unneeded background activities.
      Anyway i will also use the Lattepanda as an embedded system (for small projects) to run Max patches that i have created on MacOSX. I have already stripped down the Windows 10 on the Lattepanda to gain performance. And it start to look like a lightweight Linux desktop. :-)
    • Jun 24 2016 | 11:11 am
      hey Bart, when you say " I have already stripped down the Windows 10 on the Lattepanda to gain performance " do you have any practical recommandations on taht/ tutorials/ useful online resources ? or is it something very easy to do ?
    • Jun 24 2016 | 11:36 am
      Till i found better solutions, i have done it the easy long way: go thru all settings step by step and put all unneeded system, applications and desktop functions off. :-) Keep all desktop colours dark and desktop empty, i have noticed a jump in performance by simple doing that. Maybe somebody in this forum (Windows specialist) who knows more interesting things about this?
    • Jun 24 2016 | 12:58 pm
      Another silly question here. I know it says it will run "Windows 10", but is that like a 64bit thing or something? Like would Windows 7 run on it? (the earliest Windows that Max 7 will run on).
      I've not used Windows since the xp days, so the leaner the better, not to mention that by all accounts Windows 10 is actually malware. incarnate.
    • Jun 24 2016 | 4:12 pm
      from what i've hear it's actually better than 8... but i hav edoubts concerning the feasibility of installing another windows os on the panda - sounded quite complicated, and more concieved with windows 10 compatibility in mind. But idk
    • Jun 25 2016 | 7:05 am
      seems like lattepanda + something like this thing: https://www.minidsp.com/products/usb-audio-interface/usbstreamer-box (my thinking is adat into 'real' soundcard for audio or audio rate messaging to another instance of max on another computer) would be neat...
      could be a good target for a maxOS based on linux? :) fixed platform would hopefully remove most of the issues with linux/win, make it more like osx+game console... if there were some objects that let us get at the GPIO low level, like in gen, etc it would be a fun experiment- i'd pay cost of max license to kickstart the r&d. :) maybe the GPIO could be used to have digital connection for max comms between multiple boxes...or maybe use it like a super presentation mode ++ and external interaction box for max with bluetooth transfer to it from from laptop. :)
      eta: or can HDMI be used for digital messaging/ethernet or something like that?
    • Jun 25 2016 | 3:42 pm
      a linux distro built for a specific max version an hardware ? x) i like the idea !.... however i fail to see the advantage over a max on lattepanda ? if it needs dedicated hardware it would be like remaking a lattepanda exclusively for max ? and if max runs fine on lattepanda....
    • Jun 25 2016 | 5:49 pm
      I'm currently using Lattepanda + Max7 in my setup with a lighter version of my granulators. Lattepanda's audio output is pretty crappy so a DAC is necessary, the MiniDSP is definitely a nice one :)
    • Jun 27 2016 | 9:19 pm
      @RODRIGO: Lattepanda is build with Win10 in mind, also special for the use of the Arduino part, i think. Anyway Win7, Win8 are worse, i read everywhere. Does somebody has experience with the LatteP + Max + miniDSP mentioned above? https://www.minidsp.com/products/usb-audio-interface/usbstreamer-box
      @VICHUG: A Max Linux Distro should be the way to go! :-)) And is now already kind of fake "possible": install Arch Linux (the most flexible and open one that i know) with only packages that are important to use Max in Wine (kind of PC emulator). If i can get a cheap PC laptop i could try, but anyway i was going to do that on my Mac where i have already running Antergos Arch. Till now Max runs fine on LatteP. Don't expect amazing performances from such little one. For me it's a test setup and will be used for "simple" installations.
      @FRANZ ROSATI: Yes, Lattepanda’s audio output is crap but what do you expect from a mini-jack direct on the motherboard? It's the same crap like other PC and Mac laptops. Yes, i should try the miniDSP.
      I have to quit my job, to get this things done ... :-)
    • Sep 21 2016 | 1:27 pm
      Hey !
      I'm following this topic since the beginning, because I was looking for a cheap way to get some (small) patch running on a small computer... I think I'll get one.
      But one question (the docs is not very clear on that); did you try to connect the arduino part of the Lattepanda to Max ? If so, how does it work ? Like a regular serial protocol ? Is it really stable ?
      Thanks in advance for your answer !
    • Sep 21 2016 | 7:03 pm
      The doc is clear but minimal. :-) I haven't had time to test the possibilities Max and integrated Arduino. Pity, my new toy is laying in front of me but no time to play with it. :-/ Will try to do a small test this friday.
    • Sep 22 2016 | 11:27 am
      Hey Bart !
      Thanks for your answer... yes, it would be great to hear you about the possibilities to use the integrated arduino into Max, if you have time to play with it ! Thanks !
    • Sep 26 2016 | 6:44 pm
      Hey !
      Received my Lattepanda today; and I played a bit.
      So, the integrated Arduino Leonardo works well with Max/MSP. The things to know is that you have to reset the arduino when you want to use the serial port in Max. Otherwise, I don't know why, nothing is sent to Max (or Max doesn't receive any serial datas). When you reboot the Lattepanda, everything works (without the arduino reset, I mean) but you have to change the port number...
      Other tests: - webcam: works quite well, - USB3 video capture device Inogeni (1080p video): some black frames from time to time.
      Well... it's a nice toy. I'm sure there is plenty of things to do with !
    • Sep 27 2016 | 8:31 pm
      Nice! It seams that you are faster or have more time then me. :-) You can build a serial port reset on patch startup in Max, to get rid of this problem. It's nice for small simple projects, that don't need to much CPU of coarse. When i have time ...
    • Oct 30 2016 | 5:03 pm
      Well... I don't have all the time I want to play with this toy; but, I plan to use it for a small installation in december :-) I will tell you ! And I'll give a try to this serial port reset, see if it's working on the Lattepanda :-)
      FYI, I've seen this, recently: UDOO, another small computer running on windows 10, seems to be more powerfull than the Lattepanda... would be interesting to give a try: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/udoo/udoo-x86-the-most-powerful-maker-board-ever/description
    • Oct 30 2016 | 6:35 pm
      That's quite cool, and nice that it has a proper Arduino header.
      Shame it's so big (as compared to the other boards), but indeed good that it's more powerful.
    • Mar 08 2018 | 3:37 pm
      Hey,
      So, here it is, back in time ;-) I used the Lattepanda with Max for two small installations last year.
      Running like a charm for the first one (involving a RFID player connected to the arduino to read the drone information and access to some wikipedia files over internet). It doesn't need power (or even really Max to run) but it was a good and easy test for me, as the installation had to run for months in the same place.
      The second one was more "unstable" at the beginning because involving sounds + video + some generative content and behavior. But at the end, it was running quite well over 4 months for an exhibition.
      BUT... and this seems to be a great news for us: the next generation of Lattepanda Alpha is described as a "the soul of a MacBook in a phone sized card", as the specs are quite similar. It seems that you can use eGPU with it, so it gets more power if needed. >> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/139108638/lattepanda-alpha-soul-of-a-macbook-in-a-pocket-siz/description I think it may be an interesting new board to try ! And maybe try to install an Hackintosh on it, who knows ?
    • Mar 08 2018 | 6:11 pm
      That's quite cool! A proper hackintosh that small would be amazing. Although for "just Max" windows would be alright as well.
    • Apr 24 2018 | 6:53 am
      Hello, for those who have the chance to test Lattepanda : did you try to run standalones ?
      Is it possible to work on Max on a "classic" PC, build a standalone on it, and run this standalone on the Lattepanda ?
    • Apr 24 2018 | 8:12 am
      Hi Alain,
      Lattepanda is a « classic » but small PC, running windows 10. So, you should be able to run a standalone built on another PC without any problem ;-)
    • Apr 24 2018 | 4:10 pm
      Ok, thanks.
    • Oct 29 2018 | 2:22 pm
      Hi there !
      So Lattepanda just release their new version of their "credit card sized computer", the Lattepanda Alpha ; same architecture than the last MacBook 13", so OSX Mojave runs on it very easily ! The specs are really nice !
      Just installed mine few hours ago; running a patch on it (an homemade video looper), everything goes well. I didn't tried the soundcard but there is an external driver to install. And the wifi doesn't work unless you use a dongle or a M.2 E card (ethernet does work).
      If you need more informations of the "how to", this guys made it work two days ago:

      Guide: LattePanda Alpha Hackintosh Intel M3-7Y30

      That's the beginning of something, right ?