Ernest

Well one has to say taking something as old as Max and getting it to work in a browser environment at all is a remarkable technical achievement. If it had a way of producing a UI display, I could use it for my Ptolemy project, but my request for knowing if Jitter might be available as a Java kind of applet or something was ignored, so core development in it is still rather limited. The market for audio 
is glutted, and without being able to produce a UI beyond sliders and whatever, its just not that appealing to users for other applications. Of course Im tempted to do so, because I know Max, but I still cant see how I can sell it otherwise.  


So, great technical achievement. The real problem for users remains that there is no way to add copy protection on an app. So it is a nice toy for academia. But it just still isn't a viable production environment, and for myself, as a user since Max 5, I am just not willing to fork out yet more money for a toy, and I can only believe that is why Cycling74's user base has been declining for a long time. 


This is a little annoying to me, because I put alot of effort, a decade overall, and at least a year of work clock time into making my synthcore library at https://yofiel.com/audio/synthcore.php 

I actually dont have a reason at this time to make an RNBO version, or to buy anything to do so, and that is a real problem for advancing the avaialable code base that has extended beyond me for alot of other deevelopers for a VERY LONG TIME NOW.  

I note the comments on the announcement are turned off. Im very sad. Cycling74 has never needed to do that before. 

Well one has to say taking something as old as Max and getting it to work in a browser environment at all is a remarkable technical ... 

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Can you elaborate on what you mean by:
 "The real problem for users remains that there is no way to add copy protection on an app." ?

As far as my research gleaned, the license was open even (for the the current release version) for commercial ventures.

Ernest's comment isn't about the RNBO license, it's about getting a straightforward way for someone releasing software to prevent someone who purchases it from giving it to all their friends and random strangers. 

Presumably one can put RNBO-generated code into a VST using JUCE and there are probably decent solutions for copy protection that work inside JUCE framework.  But those don't apply to Max standalone Apps, or Max for Live devices etc.

RNBO is remarkable, but one still cant make money off it

nathan goyea

Hi all!
This forum has been really helpful, so I thank you all.
I am currently using my arduino uno to send data, serially, to MAX/MSP and output sounds. However my project needs to work over long distance, and therefore requires the data to be sent by bluetooth. Does anyone know how I can send data from my arduino to MAX and control the output this way? What is the setup in MAX/MSP and what modules will I need for the arduino?
I'd be grateful for any help.
Thanks!

Hi all!
This forum has been really helpful, so I thank you all.
I am currently using my arduino uno to send data, serially, to MAX/MSP and ... 

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bluetooth - long distance - not really best option.
Depending on distance - I would use one ESP32
or 8266 model and send over WiFi.


one can also use serial wireles remote like HC-11, or 12 etc
I have run such on battery with > 30m distance
on arduino micro 3.3v




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proppjones

I live in Kenosha WI. and work part time in Milwaukee WI. I am looking to collaborate with more experienced Maxers than I.  I am interested in  creating a live image and sound but need additional input.  

 I have been creating images  with a device that I have built, but it could be better, more efficient. See  https://www.proppjonesstudio.com/new-gallery-64 to view what kind of work i am making. 

I envision  multi media projections with ambient sound - this is bigger than me. 
All responses welcome.

I live in Kenosha WI. and work part time in Milwaukee WI. I am looking to collaborate with more experienced Maxers than I. 

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looking for Max  collaborators in Milwaukee

Julien Bayle

For french people or french speaking ones, I'm teaching quite intensively Ableton Live, Max for Live and Max 8 courses: https://structure-void.com/formations/max-msp 

Ici, nous avons 2 sessions de formation Max 8 ouvertes à Marseille, France
• Max 8 // du 23/01 au 27/01/2023
• Max 8 // du 06/03 au 10/03/2023 

Ces sessions sont intégralement finançables si vous êtes intermittents du spectacle, artiste auteur ou autre. 

Contactez Structure Void sur contact@structure-void.com 

It can be done in english, group, remote too.

https://structure-void.com/formations/max-msp

For french people or french speaking ones, I'm teaching quite intensively Ableton Live, Max for Live and Max 8 courses: ... 

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Early 2023 / Max 8 french teaching sessions.

tmhglnd

I would like to share this small library of abstractions that hopefully make the usage of alternative/microtonal tunings more accessible! It uses the library of 5000+ scala tuning files from the Stichting Huygens-Fokker, and you can also import your own.

download: https://github.com/tmhglnd/th.scala 

The package contains 3 abstractions and a custom jsui file:

th.scala - Load a scala scale into a dictionary, refered to by other objects to easily switch scales for multiple scalaToFrequency converters (stof)

th.stof - Convert a number from scala scale-format to the corresponding frequency based on the tune, center and cents value.

th.stof~ - Similar as the th.stof object, except it works in the signal domain.

th.sslider.js - A custom jsui file that shows a kslider-like object to allow for playing with the custom tuning files. The keys are displayed side-by-side (no black keys), and their width denote the relative interval. A light-gray key denotes the octaves. 

Works very nicely with the lately released Leimma platform by Khyam Allami and Counterpoint: https://isartum.net/leimma 

Feedback/suggestions/bugs are very much welcome, here as a comment or in the github issues page.


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Hi all!
I would like to share this small library of abstractions that hopefully make the usage of alternative/microtonal tunings more access

-sharing-explore-scala-alternative-tunings-in-max-with-sslider

Going to check this out at some point - thanks! 

One extra object has been included: th.ftomb (Frequency to Midi & Bend)

This object converts any frequency and outputs an integer MIDI note number together with a pitch bending value between 0 - 127 to allow for controlling external midi devices via [noteout] and [bendout] or [midiformat] and [midiout].

great tool but it seems that the new version (8.2 beta) has broken something in the code.

Opening th.scala.maxhelp, the console returns a series of errors related to the js code:
js: error calling function loadScala [th.scala.js]
js: th.scala.js: Javascript TypeError: f is null, line 120
js: error calling function getmenu [th.scala.js]
js: error calling function loadScala [th.scala.js]
js: th.scala.js: Javascript TypeError: f is null, line 120
js: error calling function getmenu [th.scala.js]

Hi! Thanks for letting me know. Have not tried the objects with the 8.2 beta, but will look into this soon and see what is going on.

Hi Mati, I am not getting these errors, so I'm wondering what the problem is. Are you on windows or mac? Did it work in the 8.1 version of Max? Did you put the package in the max searchpath? It looks like it is not able to find the /scl files that are shipped with the package. Can you try to click (getmenu) message and see if you still get the error? Can you try to just load a single .scl file from the /scl folder with the [opendialog]? Let me know :)

Hi Timo, thanks for the quick reaction!
I'm on Mac and it's weird… With version 8.1 it works flawlessly and yes, the package is in a recognized directory.
Using 'getmenu' or loading a single file returns the same error.

Thanks for the video. I will have to investigate a bit deeper, but it seems that maybe the reading/loading of files via JS has changed in some way. Do you get any errors if you try from the menubar Help>Examples>javascript>file both `filetester` and the `folderiter` patches?

No errors if I load the files you indicated.

Just to be sure, also no errors if you click those message boxes with (readfile) (c74:/init) etc?

Hey, I could replicate the bug after I downloaded the latest 8.2 beta from the forum (I had one version before I think). It seemed to have something to do with the .readbytes() method that I used in the js. I changed it to a different approach and now the bug should be fixed, please clone the latest commit from the github and give it a try: https://github.com/tmhglnd/th.scala

Hi Timo, 
It runs again with the latest build.

Thanks for the quick reaction.

Hi,
I've run into another problem.
When randomly selecting files, Max would sometimes crash (the very last beta). At least I found a file that crashes every time: bell_mt_partials.scl 
Are you experiencing it, too?


I'm not so JS savvy to unearth the eventual problem....
I baste a rough patch to load in dict a .scl file without js.

I get this crash as well, but I also get this crash when trying to open it with the js file example, so not sure why this is. I'll investigate. Great that you've got a patch version that works in the meantime.

Just stumbled onto this and would like to express my thanks - very helpful, thank you Timo!

why not the full range? 

was the idea that a pb range of 2 semitones is more likely default than a range of 1 in synthesizers´ presets?

i am about to make a decision if i should eventually use 0 as center and then only pitch up or use a center in my version. (to avoid having two different halves around the center.)


@Dan/@Yaniki, thanks! If you have any feedback on the user experience let me know!

@Roman: Yes, the idea was that because -2/+2 semitones pb range is custom for most midi devices the user does not really have to change anything in the receiving devices settings. On the other hand of course the full range would give more precision. I could also include an MSB/LSB output option, making the range more precise. But since [midiformat] also has an @hires 1 option, allowing floating-point input, I thought using that option is more than enough for this object.


i came up with that question because if you only use half the range you could as well only use the positive or negative part.

it is interesting that i have never thought about the range contained in most presets (i had a lot of hardware back in the days)

but i just figured that your stuff are not externals but abstractions so maybe i will just look inside. :P

my (very old) approach looks like that (but there is an error in the mapping, i assumed 128 beeing the highest number which makes the whole range splitting procedure pointless^^) - and it is also 7 bit only (for the same reason: i have never investigated how common 14 bit actually is among hardware)

 - mtof 
 - div/rest
 - round integer (also missing here? not good. what did i do.)
 - split rest into 0-64 and 64-127
 - map these two parts from linear to the "center 64 problem"
 - round PB to int

but maybe it would be more perfect to provide different modes from 1 to 12 semitones? hmm...

I personally also don't know how common 14-bit is amongst hardware. I made this object more for others (i think it was even a request) then that I actually use it myself. 

You can definitely look at my code, it is al done with codebox in gen.

edit - (and yes it did take me that long to check it out - looking at my post above ; )

[sharing] Explore scala alternative tunings in Max with sslider

riccardo dapelo

Hi all,
I would like to point out the jitter workshop held on Saturday, November 26, 2022  by Matteo Marson at the Piacenza Conservatory, open to AFAM students and also to  external audience. 
It is a basic workshop (in italian language) that  aims to explore video stream analysis techniques using Jitter.
More infos:
https://www.conservatorionicolini.it/

Hi all,
I would like to point out the jitter workshop held on Saturday, November 26, 2022  by Matteo Marson at the Piacenza Conservatory, ... 

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Jitter workshop In Piacenza

Has anyone figured out if it is possible to add a custom style sheet to the browser interface of a Raspberry Pi running RNBO?

I'd like to make a few changes to be able to see more parameters at one glance without scrolling.

Currently I do it by manipulating the CSS styles inside the browser after loading the page. But that means re-doing it after every reload, so not really ideal even though it's just two classes I have do modify.

Here is an example of what I'd like to achieve:

Screenshot 2022-11-18 at 15.38.28.png

Has anyone figured out if it is possible to add a custom style sheet to the browser interface of a Raspberry Pi running RNBO?

I'd like to ... 

add-custom-css-for-rnbooscquery-runner-browser-interface

the code for the browser interface is actually available on GitHub - https://github.com/Cycling74/rnbo-runner-panel 

If you need to customize it, want to tailor it to your needs or are just looking for an example on how to interact with the WebSocket endpoint that is exposed by the OSCQueryRunner from a browser context the repo is probably a good starting point.

There are probably some improvements and features we could add to the browser interface. Please feel free to contribute by creating issues or pull requests on GitHub if some of the things you have in mind might be valuable for a more general use-case.

Thanks

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Thanks Florian,
I took a quick look. As I haven't worked with next.js yet it would take a little while to dive into the code. Currently I am in the middle of the production, so it'll be probably not before  the end of the year.
What I have in mind to add maybe a dropdown menu, that allows to select different layouts, 1 column, 2 columns 3 columns....

Probably an easy addition to someone familiar with code. I just added to the wrapper element of the parameters:

ParameterList__ParamWrapper-sc-jgotn6-0 {
   display: flex; 
   flex-flow: row wrap;
}


and to the parameter class: 

parameter {
   max-width: 30%;
}

Add custom CSS for  RNBOOSCQuery runner browser interface

👽R∆J∆ The Resident ∆lien👽

Hello, here's a patch share, i been doing so much improvising during the pandemic in Max/MSP/Jitter, that i've got a collection up now from which i created works just this year for Jamuary and also WeeklyBeats ...
Max has made it easy at times to get things done quickly with a matching video, here's an example where all sounds are synthd in Max, and for the visuals, Jitter sequences a bunch of pics i output from NightCafe, then put those through various shader-based effects for audio-reactivity... to use that part of the patch, you'll want to drop your own still pics into the jit.playlist object within the [p viz] subpatcher as shown in the video below:


^previews what the patch sounds and looks like

^i'd recommend you paste this patch in Max with audio off, save it to file, then reopen from the saved file(so all loadbangs/loadmesses initialize correctly), and also have your hand on the main volume when it first starts before you turn on audio(the output is protected by limi~, but just saving you any unwanted surprises in sudden volume from the start)

Also, i have a debut album i forgot to share here which i released earlier this year in 2 parts, one was dark ambient, the other more percussive:
https://renegadelights.bandcamp.com/album/earthlings-are-creepy-part1
https://renegadelights.bandcamp.com/album/earthlings-are-creepy-part2
not a strictly Max-only set of works, but heavily influenced(most tracks on part1 were all output from a single max patch(some were edited down to size in Logic...), while part2 was also with heavy max synthesis, but with some added samples and plugins like Aalto and Kaivo(not to mention plugins used for the mastering... part2 mostly edited/mixed either in Renoise or in Logic)...overall, both albums mastered in Logic)
Thanks for checking it all out, hope you enjoy 🍻

Hello, here's a patch share, i been doing so much improvising during the pandemic in Max/MSP/Jitter, that i've got a collection up now from 

-share-sparkling-specterz-debut-album

going out of town this weekend, so this week's weeklybeats is another made quickly using a max patch (shared here☝️ along with a random blender model i made with animation and colors)... 
plus visualizer vid screencapped from the patch:



(goes live on weeklybeats.com each Sunday, mp3 download probably most readily available from my profile page there that day)
thanks 🍻


this week tried out new 8.3 features (twist~, mc.chord~, jit.gl.prb, etc.)... turned out weirdly overall, but i like the sounds i came up with:


here's the patch...save to file first then restart so it initializes... it works fine without but if you want you can go into the [p viz] subpatcher to load appropriate files into the jit.gl.pbr object to display everything correctly(choose whatever image you like)
...  starts with everything at full volume, feel free to work the mix however you like ahead of turning on audio:

here's the last two weeks for weeklybeats2022, 
first on the list from two weeks ago, "Sanctifried Chicken"

^keyboard shortcuts for that one are "z", "x", "c", "v", "b", all fade on/off different instruments... "0" thru "4" change tempo, and "spacebar" does something generally modulating to many things all at once(i forget)

and the current weeks has no jitter to it, but the audio is pretty special, i screencapped me playing the patch for the vid:


and i keep the special 'pfft~' effect to myself(for almost a decade now 🥷)... but here's the patch with all the synth instruments including new Max8.3 tricks i was trying with mc.pattern~, mc.what~, etc... read the description at the top-right of the patch first / find comfortable volume levels for yourself gradually:

i don't always use max for every week's weeklybeats.com thing, but lately been doing quite a few all with max patches(just keeping a running archive of the patches/posts here)... i'll save up and post a few all-at-once in the future so as not to keep bumping this thread too often... thanks to anyone who checks em out 🍻

got about 6 here, with links to the weeklybeats threads for associated downloadables, videos and writeups:
EverChange3

BusyKeepinItLit
^this one had the same patch as 'dusksub' posted above before, but with changed pitches and rhythms
here's the vid, tho, since it's such a pleasant sounding track:

...and finally! here, for the current week, i've created the cheesiest music ever made with max/msp :D
i call it, "Earthshine"... it taught me never to try to sing like this again, haha:


here's the patch(minus the vocal files.. you don't need to hear that again, haha...), feel free to add your own vocals, or instrumentally remix, or just take the sounds and make it your own...
quick instructions -> start the patch without audio on, load up a limiter in the last vst~ before the 'MainOut' fader(and possibly EQ and compressor in the vst~s before that... other vst~ objects elsewhere in the patch are either labelled for what kind of mastering-effect-plugin you should use, or else are for reverbs), turn down the "MainOut" volume fader near the bottom-left of the patch at first, change the 'chans' number box to something high around '128', then turn audio on(this will reset the MC based synth drums to sound phatter at 128 channels or so :D), then beyond that, keys '0' through '9' on your keyboard will trigger the volume faders for everything up/down and spacebar will change between two sections of the song:

(also, the bassline will only sound as phat as it's intended(as it does in the video above), if you use this patch at 48kHz or above... so please try this patch at 48kHz minimum(i think this has to do with somethings somewhere around the phasor~->triangle~->cos~ & cosh~ stuff... they don't generate what i tuned by ear when used at 44.1kHz for whatever reason))

If you have ended up feeling so inclined: then i humbly offer my extreme gratitude for checking out all this weirdness by me :)

Much appreciated :)
i switched to doing tracks in renoise, then a few on my norns, then some others using some other methods, but now past few weeks(thanks to the 'generating sound & organizing time' book), here's a few more.
from 2weeks ago:

(^i didn't upload that track to soundcloud, but you could still listen to it from the weeklybeats profile page here: https://weeklybeats.com/rajatheresidentalien/music/cl4kz)

i also used the book's information to do this disquiet junto:

(you can read the description for that project here: https://llllllll.co/t/disquiet-junto-project-0567-three-meters/59494/3)
_______________________________________________________________________________________________


and finally this week's weeklybeats, i got done early, and it is a HUGE patch of craziness... so many things(i guess i did make that one karplus-strong instrument months ago before reading the book, but the clock-subdivisions, the waveshaping, etc. all from practicing stuff in the book; managed to memorize much of the math for softclip, gudermann, onepole, and so many techniques of using em i try not to use the 'go' library without building them from scratch)... anyways, i'm pretty happy with this one in particular 👇

(^for that one, you need to turn up the 'MainOut' gain manually yourself, and then you start/stop the clock with the spacebar, from there, use the key shortcuts described to turn on/off different tracks, etc.)
and here's the take of me performing the patch for the weeklybeats submission,
titled after the names i came up with for the synth instruments i created within the patch, 
"The Wet Weasel, The Lonely Dreamer, & The Sultry Mute" 😄

Thanks again, hope there's something here that fancies your float 🤓😎🥸🤗

Very bright patches, both in sound and in the assembling of patches! Thanks!

Thank You! Enjoy(i should make a VST-instr out of that 'Lonely Dreamer'(sarod-like-karplus) subpatch... but everyone's welcome to use all these patches for whatever they like, wherever you use it: though not absolutely necessary, credit is appreciated :) )

[share] patches from my weeklybeats2022

I noticed that unlike in Max with poly~ that on polyphonic patches with RNBO voice stealing can lead do audible clicks. Has anyone found a good solution to that? Or is is possible to disable voice stealing on polyphonic RNBO patcher?

I noticed that unlike in Max with poly~ that on polyphonic patches with RNBO voice stealing can lead do audible clicks. 

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If there are audible clicks please get in touch with customer support. 


Thanks Christopher,
It's a synth that I am building, so I can't sync swanramp~ to a phasor~ or any other predictable event.  [adsr~] -> [rampsmooth~ ] did the trick.

Is there currently another way to prevent voice stealing other than ignoring input to non muted voices
?

RNBO: clicks when voice stealing

AudioMatt

Whoever Tim Schenk is, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
Without you Javascript in max would be unusable.


tim-schenk

<3 just saw this after years, made it exactly cause I found the original pretty confusing

That would be awesome Tim. 

For anyone looking into getting into JS in Max, the "Javascript in Max" document in the reference is actually quite complete. 
Also there are tons of examples in the examples folder. 
Also, I've got tons of tutorials on JS in Max (not node.js) 
Scroll the page or click on the "Javascript / Node.js in Max" button:
https://www.federicofoderaro.com/videoTutorials.html 

Tim Schenk

Ben Bracken

We have just released Max 8.5.1 and RNBO 1.0.1, which focuses on fixing crashes and other issues affecting OSes with certain language settings, and crashes in the Text Editor window when RNBO is not authorized. 


As always, you can download the update here:
https://cycling74.com/downloads

For a list of all Max 8.5.1 and RNBO 1.0.1 fixes, check out the change log below, or here:
https://cycling74.com/releases/max/8.5.1
https://cycling74.com/releases/rnbo/1.0.1

Enjoy!
Cycling '74

curve~: fixed list received during pending lists

Patches: fixed issues with saving / recalling invalid patchlines from patcher dictionary

Startup: fixed crash on machines with language settings that use extended characters

Text Editor: fixed crash on save in editor when RNBO is not authorized (coll, js, dict, etc)

param: Export no longer fails when extended characters are used for name

Plugin Target: handle spaces and extended characters in sample dependency file names

We have just released Max 8.5.1 and RNBO 1.0.1, which focuses on fixing crashes and other issues affecting OSes with certain language ... 

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I live in Kenosha WI. and work part time in Milwaukee WI. I am looking to collaborate with more experienced Maxers than I.

Early 2023 / Max 8 french teaching sessions.

For french people or french speaking ones, I'm teaching quite intensively Ableton Live, Max for Live and Max 8 courses: ...

[sharing] Explore scala alternative tunings in Max with sslider

This is amazing - thank you so much Timo edit - (and yes it did take me that long to check it out - looking at my post above ; )

Jitter workshop In Piacenza

Hi all, I would like to point out the jitter workshop held on Saturday, November 26, 2022 by Matteo Marson at the Piacenza Conservatory, ...

Add custom CSS for RNBOOSCQuery runner browser interface

Thanks Florian, I took a quick look. As I haven't worked with next.js yet it would take a little while to dive into the code.

[share] patches from my weeklybeats2022

Thank You! Enjoy(i should make a VST-instr out of that 'Lonely Dreamer'(sarod-like-karplus) subpatch...

RNBO: clicks when voice stealing

Thanks Christopher, It's a synth that I am building, so I can't sync swanramp~ to a phasor~ or any other predictable event.

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That would be awesome Tim.

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What exactly is required distance ? And what exactly do you need to send ? bluetooth - long distance - not really best option. Depending on ...

I live in Kenosha WI. and work part time in Milwaukee WI. I am looking to collaborate with more experienced Maxers than I.

For french people or french speaking ones, I'm teaching quite intensively Ableton Live, Max for Live and Max 8 courses: ...

This is amazing - thank you so much Timo edit - (and yes it did take me that long to check it out - looking at my post above ; )

Hi all, I would like to point out the jitter workshop held on Saturday, November 26, 2022 by Matteo Marson at the Piacenza Conservatory, ...

Thanks Florian, I took a quick look. As I haven't worked with next.js yet it would take a little while to dive into the code.

Thank You! Enjoy(i should make a VST-instr out of that 'Lonely Dreamer'(sarod-like-karplus) subpatch...

Thanks Christopher, It's a synth that I am building, so I can't sync swanramp~ to a phasor~ or any other predictable event.

That would be awesome Tim.

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