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Have searched the Forum but can't find an answer for this, and I'm going around in circles here over something that is probably quite simple: I've uninstalled and reinstalled Max8 (following various directions for installs rather than updates) but still have a frustrating problem with Vizzie. As soon as I drag AVPlayr into a window I get the error message "jit.movie~ doesn't understand int". Playr does the same along with multiple messages of "patchcord outlet out of range: deleting patch cord". Neither will play movies. I have tried using avf and viddll settings, and have deleted various preference and system files. Suggestions?

Have searched the Forum but can't find an answer for this, and I'm going around in circles here over something that is probably quite simple: I've uninstalled and reinstalled Max8 (following various directions for installs rather than updates) but still have a frustrating problem with Vizzie. As soon as I drag AVPlayr into a window I get the error message "jit.movie~ doesn't understand int". Playr does the same along with multiple messages of "patchcord outlet out of range: deleting patch cord". Neither will play movies. I have tried using avf and viddll settings, and have deleted various preference and system files.  Suggestions?

Have searched the Forum but can't find an answer for this, and I'm going around in circles here over something that is probably quite simple

still-doesn't-understand-int

instead of dragging anything, doubleclick

get out of presentatioin mode and see what's wrong.

using that premade stuff seems attractive to begin with, but as soon as something goes wrong, one is left in the dark with all that subpatchers, dependencies,

locked subpatches etc which one does not understand at all.

instead of dragging anything, doubleclick
that avplayer to open it as patch.
get out of presentatioin mode and see what's wrong.
using that premade stuff seems attractive to begin with, but as soon as something goes wrong, one is left in the dark with all that subpatchers, dependencies,
locked subpatches etc which one does not understand at all.


not every error message from someone else´s patch means that there is an actual problem.

for example if you send an int into an object which does not understand ints, will throw an error message "i dont understand int", but will still function as expected when you send it a float.

the same quality of problem as a unix kernel panic oder an unreadable sector on a harddisk.

the more serious issue in max is when something is not producing the correct error messages :)


not every error message from someone else´s patch means that there is an actual problem.

for example if you send an int into an object which does not understand ints, will throw an error message "i dont understand int", but will still function as expected when you send it a float.

something printed to the max console is not the same quality of problem as a unix kernel panic oder an unreadable sector on a harddisk.

the more serious issue in max is when something is not producing the correct error messages :)


i'm fairly sure this was fixed some time back. can you let me know what OS and the exact Max version you are running?

Thanks for everyone's responses -- sorry for the tardy reply, I'm up to my ears in development and all-day rehearsals on three interactive pieces for a video shoot later this week.

Double clicking to spawn Playr or AvPlayr results in the same behaviour. Tracing the toggle message into the Play/Stop button message (1/0) in the playr_controls bPatcher shows it coming out and going directly into the jit.movie~ object as an int (?), causing one of the error messages. Neither of the players will play a file. (Our UBC Toolbox bpatchers don't generate errors and will play files. Self promo: we're finishing up a new version of the Toolbox to release as a package.)

I'm on OS 11.4 on a 16 inch 2019 MacBook Pro, running Max 8.1.11.

Thanks for everyone's responses -- sorry for the tardy reply, I'm up to my ears in development and all-day rehearsals on three interactive pieces for a video shoot later this week. 

Double clicking to spawn Playr or AvPlayr results in the same behaviour. Tracing the toggle message into the Play/Stop button message (1/0) in the playr_controls  bPatcher shows it coming out and going directly into the jit.movie~ object as an int (?), causing one of the error messages. Neither of the players will play a file. (Our UBC Toolbox bpatchers don't generate errors and will play files. Self promo: we're finishing up a new  version of the Toolbox to release as a package.)

I'm on OS 11.4 on a 16 inch 2019 MacBook Pro, running Max 8.1.11.  

hmm, I can't reproduce. Can you let me know what version of Vizzie is installed?

File -> Show Package Manager -> In the dropdown window top right corner change "Remote Packages" to "Installed Packages", scroll down to find vizzie and click on it.

Screen Shot 2021-07-20 at 11.02.01 AM.png

scroll to the bottom of the inspector and click the checkbox next to "Embed Patcher in Parent"

hmm, I can't reproduce. Can you let me know what version of Vizzie is installed?
File -> Show Package Manager -> In the dropdown window top right corner change "Remote Packages" to "Installed Packages", scroll down to find vizzie and click on it.
Let me know if it says 2.1.4.

also, can you try the following steps
new patcher
add an avplayer
select the module and open the inspector
scroll to the bottom of the inspector and click the checkbox next to "Embed Patcher in Parent"
save the patch
attach the patch to your reply here

https://cycling74.com/downloads/sys-reqs/

: OS X 10.11.6 or later". You're on 11.4, dunno if that makes any difference?

@CHARRED: https://cycling74.com/downloads/sys-reqs/ "Mac: OS X 10.11.6 or later". You're on 11.4, dunno if that makes any difference?

Thanks to everyone for the help -- have finished a major project so I'm back looking at this issue. Vizzie version is 2.1.4 

AVPlayrTest.maxpat

Thanks to everyone for the help -- have finished a major project so I'm back looking at this issue. Vizzie version is 2.1.4 


Usual cause of such errors - when a patch works for others and not

for you, is that dependencies used in that patch got broke, for example

by naming a different patch in search path same as an external or sub or bpatch used.

you can get a list of patchers and externals in use under menu

Externals and subpatcher files for vz.avplayr:

Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/packages/Vizzie/patchers/utils/data-handler.maxpat

Abstraction lo_hi_UI_control.maxpat Big-HD:/

Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/packages/Vizzie/patchers/utils/lo_hi_UI_control.maxpat

Abstraction playr_controls.maxpat Big-HD:/

Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/packages/Vizzie/patchers/utils/playr_controls.maxpat

Abstraction vzgl-blackframe.maxpat Big-HD:/

Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/packages/Vizzie/patchers/utils/vzgl-blackframe.maxpat

Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/packages/Vizzie/patchers/utils/vzgl-object.maxpat

Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/packages/Vizzie/patchers/utils/vzgl-pwindow.maxpat

Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/externals/max

Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/externals/jitter

Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/packages/VIDDLL/externals

Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/extensions/m4l

Usual cause of such errors - when a patch works for others and not
for you, is that dependencies used in that patch got broke, for example
by naming a different patch in search path same as an external or sub or bpatch used.
you can get a list of patchers and externals in use under menu
File
List Externals and Subpatcher Files
output :
Externals and subpatcher files for vz.avplayr:
Abstraction    data-handler.maxpat        Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/packages/Vizzie/patchers/utils/data-handler.maxpat
Abstraction    lo_hi_UI_control.maxpat    Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/packages/Vizzie/patchers/utils/lo_hi_UI_control.maxpat
Abstraction    playr_controls.maxpat      Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/packages/Vizzie/patchers/utils/playr_controls.maxpat
Abstraction    vzgl-blackframe.maxpat     Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/packages/Vizzie/patchers/utils/vzgl-blackframe.maxpat
Abstraction    vzgl-object.maxpat         Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/packages/Vizzie/patchers/utils/vzgl-object.maxpat
Abstraction    vzgl-pwindow.maxpat        Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/packages/Vizzie/patchers/utils/vzgl-pwindow.maxpat
Max Object     absolutepath.mxo           Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/externals/max
Max Object     append.mxo                 Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/externals/max
Max Object     clip.mxo                   Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/externals/max
Max Object     comment.mxo                Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/externals/max
Max Object     conformpath.mxo            Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/externals/max
Max Object     deferlow.mxo               Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/externals/max
Max Object     dropfile.mxo               Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/externals/max
Max Object     jit.3m.mxo                 Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/externals/jitter
Max Object     jit.gl.cornerpin.mxo       Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/externals/jitter
Max Object     jit.gl.render.mxo          Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/externals/jitter
Max Object     jit.gl.text3d.mxo          Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/externals/jitter
Max Object     jit.gl.texture.mxo         Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/externals/jitter
Max Object     jit.matrix.mxo             Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/externals/jitter
MSP64 Object   jit.movie~.mxo             Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/packages/VIDDLL/externals
Max Object     jit.pwindow.mxo            Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/externals/jitter
Max Object     jit.rgb2luma.mxo           Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/externals/jitter
Max Object     js.mxo                     Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/externals/max
Max Object     live.guilib.mxo            Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/extensions/m4l
Max Object     live.guilib.mxo            Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/extensions/m4l
Max Object     live.guilib.mxo            Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/extensions/m4l
Max Object     loadmess.mxo               Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/externals/max
Max Object     message.mxo                Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/externals/max
Max Object     metro.mxo                  Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/externals/max
Max Object     onebang.mxo                Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/externals/max
Max Object     pak.mxo                    Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/externals/max
Max Object     panel.mxo                  Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/externals/max
Max Object     patcherargs.mxo            Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/externals/max
Max Object     pattr.mxo                  Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/externals/max
Max Object     pipe.mxo                   Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/externals/max
Max Object     prepend.mxo                Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/externals/max
Max Object     rslider.mxo                Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/externals/max
Max Object     scale.mxo                  Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/externals/max
Max Object     slider.mxo                 Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/externals/max
Max Object     speedlim.mxo               Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/externals/max
Max Object     split.mxo                  Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/externals/max
Max Object     strippath.mxo              Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/externals/max
Max Object     tab.mxo                    Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/externals/max
Max Object     textbutton.mxo             Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/externals/max
Max Object     textedit.mxo               Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/externals/max
Max Object     zl.mxo                     Big-HD:/Max8111.app/Contents/Resources/C74/externals/max
-------
then you check all of that for any missing or conflicting items


Many thanks, and thanks for the info - will check that out

thanks for sending along the file. I am not seeing anything amiss, so there must be something more fundamental happening with your install. re-reading your post I missed the part about all the errors (definitely not expected). 

I think your best option is to get in touch with 

 about this so we can attempt to track this down. out of curiosity, are you able to instantiate "vanilla" jit.movie and jit.movie~ objects, and do they function?

thanks for sending along the file. I am not seeing anything amiss, so there must be something more fundamental happening with your install. re-reading your post I missed the part about all the errors (definitely not expected). 

I think your best option is to get in touch with support about this so we can attempt to track this down. out of curiosity, are you able to instantiate "vanilla" jit.movie and jit.movie~ objects, and do they function?

As one does, I spent part of this holiday weekend doing the tedious work of spending hours isolating projects and patches and relaunching Max. Finally found the problem: a corrupted copy of playr_controls in a student assignment. Somehow this became what my system would load. I don't know what exactly in the particular playr was corrupted (other than the behaviour I described above) but having deleted it Jitter seems to be back to normal.

Another positive outcome of this exercise was recognizing (and starting to purge) the ridiculous amount of third-party materials I have in my system due to MMJ teaching examples over the years...

Many thanks to everyone for their suggestions and assistance.

Hello all,

As one  does, I spent part of this holiday weekend doing the tedious work of spending hours isolating projects and patches and relaunching Max. Finally found the problem: a corrupted copy of  playr_controls in a student assignment. Somehow this became what my system would load.  I don't know what exactly in the particular playr was corrupted (other than the behaviour I described above) but having deleted it Jitter seems to be back to normal. 

still doesn't understand int