cocamon

Does anybody here have a functioning approach for syncing data between a multislider and a buffer~ inside of gen~? 

The syncing case I'm struggling with at the moment occurs when I try to resize the sequence length to a value that is greater than the current value. With the naive approach of multislider always writing to buffer that means that its impossible to preserve data from longer patterns (for example returning to a gate pattern with length 16 after one of length 8).

On the other hand if I avoid resizing the buffer and dump its data into the multislider each time I increase the sequence length, I run into the issue of narrowing down exactly that case to avoid creating a feedback loop where its unclear which of the two objects has the correct state

So, has anyone found a workaround to avoid maintaining both a buffer~and a multislider to make editable sequences in gen~? Or can anyone think of an elegant algorithm to determine when the multislider should write to the buffer and when the buffer should write to the multislider ?

Hi folks,

Does anybody here have a functioning approach for syncing data between a multislider and a buffer~ inside of gen~?     

The syncing case I'm struggling with at the moment occurs when I try to resize the sequence length to a value that is greater than the current value. With the naive approach of multislider always writing to buffer that means that its impossible to preserve data from longer patterns (for example returning to a gate pattern with length 16 after one of length 8).
 
On the other hand if I avoid resizing the buffer and dump its data into the multislider each time I increase the sequence length, I run into the issue of narrowing down exactly that case to avoid creating a feedback loop where its unclear which of the two objects has the correct state

So, has anyone found a workaround to avoid maintaining both a buffer~and a multislider  to make editable sequences in gen~?  Or can anyone think of an elegant algorithm to determine when the multislider should write to the buffer and when the buffer should write to the multislider ?




Hi folks,

Does anybody here have a functioning approach for syncing data between a multislider and a buffer~ inside of gen~?     

The ... 

gen-buffer-and-multislider-sequencer

On the other hand if I avoid resizing the buffer and dump its data into  the multislider each time I increase the sequence length, I run into the  issue of narrowing down exactly that case to avoid creating a feedback  loop where its unclear which of the two objects has the correct state

sounds like a problem that could be solved by instituting some sort of Model-View-Controller paradigm(preferably, the 'model' would be in the event realm(not buffer))... perhaps then, you could define your multislider as 'controller', and buffer as 'view' or vice versa...
one way to do this is simply to instantiate a separate data-space for the model(could be anything, even a dict or coll, to store the multislider-like data), then update both the multislider and buffer, only as needed, using data from that space. hard to describe(without seeing your patch), but hope it helps to make a little more sense.

Gen~ buffer~ and multislider sequencer

Gonzalo

Hello, I'm new to Gen. I recently purchased Patch.Inith() from Electrosmith to experiment with creating modules capable of running effects, instead of investing in other expensive options. Despite researching extensively, I haven't come across patches specifically designed for this module, which is smaller than the Daisy Patch.

Nonetheless, I've developed a sort of Combo module that generates three sine waves and incorporates a delay. The three waves are controlled by knobs 1 to 3, while knob 4 manages the delay, essentially functioning as a mixer. It's a very basic patch, so I would greatly appreciate it if someone could review it for potential improvements and suggest ideas for CV and gate inputs and outputs.

tripeosc.maxpat.zip

Hello,  I'm new to Gen. I recently purchased Patch.Inith() from Electrosmith to experiment with creating modules capable of running effects, instead of investing in other expensive options. Despite researching extensively, I haven't come across patches specifically designed for this module, which is smaller than the Daisy Patch.

gen-delay-and-oscilators-for-electrosmith-patchinit-noob-patch

GEN delay and oscilators for Electrosmith Patch.Init() Noob patch.

tyler mazaika

Is it possible to get the current value of the "hot" / "interval" attributes from inside codebox?

I've got some event-driven code where it's handy to switch the values for those on the fly, but right now I'm passing redundant messages to [gen] in order to both set the attribute values and let my internal gen code know what those values are... which seems silly.

Is it possible to get the current value of the "hot" / "interval" attributes from inside codebox?  

Is it possible to get the current value of the "hot" / "interval" attributes from inside codebox?  
I've got some event-driven code where ... 

gen-event-driven-get-value-of-hot-andor-interval-attribute

gen (event-driven): get value of "hot" and/or "interval" attribute?

Ernest

This is the last tutorial before the Husserl3 release, which I anticipate to be in 3-5 weeks. Prior tutorials in this series:

The original voice allocator in Max4 was a very simple design, allocating voices in a round-robin fashion (1>2.3>4>1>2...). That is not ideal, because note-off events can free earlier voices, meaning that the allocator assigns a voice that is already playing to a new voice while others were already freed. Cycling74 has since updated its voice allocator, and I'm led to believe the new version allocates voices on a least-recently-used basis, which is much better. However I've not really experimented with it because I'd already written a voice allocator for gen, and it already provided information and capabilities that is not available in Cycling74's prebuilt object. It had three buffers to store each voice's pitch, velocity, and age that were accessible to other objects for processing and display. It also turned off notes on the kslider object if there was voice overflow, and provided the last played voice to gen~ for it to use for updating panel indicators. The voice age and velocity data was already useful for showing a 'dancing display' in multislider of playing voices.

When I got to multiphonic design in Max, it was a pretty simple matter of adding one buffer to remember the channel for each voice, and to add channel search to the note-on/off routines. Meanwhile the subpatch for voice allocation has got pretty complicated, because the same gen object now also provides velocity shaping and polyphonic glide. I'll be describing how all these capabilities work below. Here's a picture of the top-level patch, and a download of it if you want to see it in Max.

Screenshot 2021-11-19 073920.jpg

As well as the support objects for the gen voice allocator, the patch contains velocity-shaping support, channel layering, and MIDI note I/O. The patch contains a little logic to invert the velocities from the kslider object, as it generates 0 values from the bottom edge rather than the top edge. It also stops MIDI note input from being echoed to the MIDI note output. The gen allocator sends MIDI note events to the appropriate channel, and plays notes from a kslider object for the currently displayed channel on the presentation panel.

At first blush, one might think 16 channels and 32 voices are far more than most people ever want. However, an important feature of multiphonic instruments is that one can layer additional voices over any one channel from other channels, with different sound settings for each channel, simply by sending note events from one channel to others.

One could go whole hog and trigger all 16 channels with one note to create a massively fat sound with 32 detuned voices, but the technique kind of maxes out at eight oscillators, after which most people find the sound 'too fat.' Mostly people prefer to play four channels with up to four layers each. Even so 32 voices can run out, so I am thinking of increasing the design to 48 or 64 voices before final release, but people will need a top-notch computer to play that many, so I'm still not sure.

Even with 32 voices, a wealth of layer choices are possible with only one 16-entry 'layers' buffer, simply by setting multiple channels to trigger from one 'master' channel, and/or daisy-chaining them together. For example, suppose channel 2 is triggered by notes from channel 1, and channels 3 and 4 are triggered by notes from channel 2. Then:

So one 16-entry buffer already provides many possibilities. For each channel, setting its entry in the buffer to zero means the channel plays by itself. Setting it to another channel causes the channel to receive notes from it. JavaScript stores and recalls the 'layers' buffer values in multi presets, as described in the previous tutorial. And a simple menu allows setting the layer for each channel; if zero, the channel plays by itself; values between 1 and 16 set the source channel for MIDI notes.

Screenshot 2021-11-19 113943.jpg

But there's a problem. gen cannot create more than one event from any event it receives. So the extra note-on events needed to come from outside gen. Therefore I added a subpatch with an uzi that scans the buffer on every note event and echoes the note event to other channels.

Screenshot 2021-11-20 063341.jpg

Besides getting caught yet again by the different 0-based and 1-based channel indexing for Max and gen respectively, this mostly worked fine at first attempt. There is a minor quirk. If a note was triggered by another channel, and the layer source is turned off, then the note continues to play until it's turned off manually. So I might add some additional functionality for that, but I'm not sure it's an undesirable behavior. At least it doesn't seem enough to worry about for a first multiphonic release. That aside, what an amazingly powerful control for such simple design additions!

At the top of the voice allocator's gen code is one function to calculate velocity shaping, then declarations of all the needed buffers, local data arrays, history variables, and dynamic variables.

calcBreakpoint(vel, x, y){	// velocity shaping
	//if (x==127) return vel * y;
	if (vel <= x) return vel * (y /x) *.007874;
	else return (y + (vel -y) /(127-x)) *.007874;
}
Buffer programs(), pch(), vel(), age(), chn();	// INIT
Data gtimes(43);
History numv(0), vcnt(32), lastv(32), gcnt(1), srate;
u, v, x, y = 0; 
glidet     = in5;
srate      = in6;
bpm        = in7;
multi      = in8;
lastp      = 0;

Upon receiving a reset signal, all the buffers reset to zero values, except the age buffer, which needs to be initialized with a number sequence (1~32 for 32 voices).

In the below fragment of the panel, the 'dancing voices' display is in the top left, and the velocity shaper controls in the bottom right. Changes to the velocity shaper from the panel trigger another uzi in the patch containing the gen object that causes all the velocities for voices on the same channel to be changed dynamically. Dynamic velocity shaping from MIDI on channels other than the displayed channel is currently not implemented, but the channel for velocity shaping is already on a separate output from gen, so it's simply a matter of connecting the velocity-shaper uzi to the gen object that parses MIDI input.

Screenshot 2021-11-19 090710.jpg

After the declarations, a setup routine populates a data() array with glide times upon reset signal triggering, as well as resetting the buffers when the maximum voice count changes.

if (in6 != srate){ 					// SET UP GLIDE TIMES
	srate = in6;
	for (i = 1; i < 43; i +=1){
		u    = selector(i, 
			60 *32 /  srate ,     //0,  1/32
			60 *16 /  srate ,     //1,  1/16
			60 *8  /  srate ,     //2,  1/8
			60 *4  /  srate ,     //3,  1/4
			60 *3  /  srate ,     //4,  1/3
	//... etc.
			60     / (srate *12), //38,  12
			60     / (srate *16), //39,  16
			-1, 		      //40, take from LFO1
			-2		      //41, take from LFO2
		);
		gtimes.poke(u, i -1);
	}
}
if (in1< 0){						// RESET
	vcnt = neg(in1);
	for(i=1;i<=32; i+=1){
		chn.poke(0, i); 
		vel.poke(0, i); 
		pch.poke(0, i);
		age.poke(i, i);
		numv = 0;
		lastv = 1;
		out5 = lastv;
	}

Additionally, I have another routine that changes all the velocities if the velocity shaper panel control is altered. The uzi for dynamic velocity shaping sends in a negative number on the first input, in a different range, to trigger the velocity changes. This provides dynamic control of all playing voices on a channel.


}else if (in1 > 100){				// RESHAPE ALL VELOCITIES
	u = in1 - 100; 					//voice
	v = vel.peek(u);
	if(chn.peek(u)==in4 && v>0){
		x = programs.peek(33 +multi, in4); 	// e1v
		y = programs.peek(34 +multi, in4);
		out9 = calcBreakpoint(v, x, y);
		x = programs.peek(126 +multi, in4);	//e2v
		y = programs.peek(127 +multi, in4);
		out10 = calcBreakpoint(v, x, y);
		out8 = u;
	}else{
		out8 = 0;
		out5 = 0;
		out1 = 0;
	}

This routine selects which voice to turn on, triggered by any positive value on the velocity input when a positive pitch is received on input 1. The routine looks through the age buffer to find the oldest voice and makes it the newest voice. If the oldest voice was on, it turns the voice off on the kslider; but it doesn't need to turn the voice off in gen~, because it's about to send it a new note-on event. gen~ can't distinguish between events with identical values, so as described in Husserl's envelope tutorial, a gate counter increments on every note-on event and its value sent to the new note's voice.

The velocity value for the two velocity shapers, and the note distance from the last note-on event on the same channel is calculated, and from the latter, the increment size for a cycle-based ramp to the new pitch is calculated too. Then all that data is sent to the appropriate voice (together with its channel assignment, so the voice knows which channel of the control data buffer to use for the new note). Finally, the new note is written to the appropriate voice index in the velocity, channel, and pitch buffers; the age of the new note is set to 1, and the age of all other voices incremented by one.

	} else if (in2 >0) {				// NOTE ON
	for(i=1;i<=vcnt; i+=1){
		x = age.peek(i);
		if(x == vcnt){
			if(numv==vcnt){
				//kb overflow update
				if(vel.peek(i)>0) out4 = pch.peek(i); 
			}else{
				// voice available
				numv +=1;
				out4= 0;					
			}
			v, y = 0;
			out12 = 0;
			// start on glide calcs
			while (v < vcnt){
				v +=1;
				y = pch.peek(v);
				if (y > 0 && chn.peek(v) == in4){
					//lastp
					out12 = y;
					v = vcnt;
				}
			}
			u = gtimes.peek(in5);  
			if (in5 >0){ // if glide not set by lfo
				 if(in5 > 19){ 
				    //fixed glide time
				    // (60/(measure*bpm)/srate
				    out11 = u/in7; 
				} else { 
				   // divide above by octave difference
				   out11=out11/floor((lastp-in1)/12);
				}
			}
			// update buffers
			age.poke(1,   i);
			chn.poke(in3, i); 
			vel.poke(in2, i);
			pch.poke(in1, i); 
			// e1v x breakpoint
			x = programs.peek(33 +multi, in3); 
			// e1v y breakpoint
			y = programs.peek(34 +multi, in3); 
			// e1v velocity
			out9 = calcBreakpoint(in2, x, y);  
			// e2v x breakpoint
			x = programs.peek(126 +multi, in3);
			// e2v y breakpoint
			y = programs.peek(127 +multi, in3);
			// e2v velocity
			out10 = calcBreakpoint(in2, x, y); 
			out8 = i;	  // voice for e1/2v
			out7 = in2;	  // midi velocity
			out6 = in3;	  // chan for noteon
			if (in4 == in3){ // if note chan == display chan
				// lastv = current voice
				lastv = i;	 
			}else {
				// else lastv = spare voice
				lastv = 33;
			}
			out5 = lastv;	// lastv out
			out3 = gcnt;	//gate out 0-1
			gcnt += 1;
			out2 = in1;	//midi pitch out
			out1 = i;	// voice out
		}else{
			age.poke(x+1,i);
		}
	}
	p0  = in1;

Note-off is triggered by the remaining condition, a zero value on the velocity input when a positive pitch is received on input 1. As there is no indication to which MIDI note-on event a MIDI note-off event is attached, the routine searches for the voice index of the oldest playing note on the same channel with the same pitch. The voice may have been used for another note already, but if it's found, the age of all older playing voices is decremented, moving them up in the age queue, and the age of the voice that has just been turned off is set to the age of the prior oldest playing voice. That means any voices which are not playing have higher indices in the age queue, while all notes that were off are still older, giving all previously played notes as much time as possible to finish their release phases. The velocity buffer is zeroed for the voice that has been turned off, but a record of the channel and pitch is kept, in case they're needed for the multiphonic portamento time calc. Finally the note-off message is sent to the appropriate voice instance of gen~.

} else{					//NOTE OFF
	for(i=1;i<=vcnt; i+=1){
		if(pch.peek(i)==in1 
				&& vel.peek(i)>0 
				&& chn.peek(i)== in3){
			y = age.peek(i);
			vel.poke(0, i);
			for(j=1;j<=vcnt; j+=1){
				x = age.peek(j);
				if(x>y && x<=numv){
					age.poke(x-1, j);
				}
			}
			age.poke(numv, i);
			numv -=1;		
			out11 = -3;
			out6 = in3;				//chan 
			out2 = in1; 				//pitch 
			out1 = i;				//voice
			break;
		}
	}
}

For Husserl4, the voice allocator will be extended to recognize note events from sequencers, such that it knows exactly which voice to turn off, because the sequencers will send a numeric index that increments with each note together with pitch and velocity data.

And that's the end of the last tutorial for Husserl3. Now I'm back to final touches and making some demo presets. Happy patching, folks )

This is the last tutorial before the Husserl3 release, which I anticipate to be in 3-5 weeks. Prior tutorials in this series: 

Designing a good LFO in gen~ Codebox:  https://cycling74.com/forums/gen~-codebox-tutorial-oscillators-part-one 

Resampling: when Average is Better: https://cycling74.com/forums/gen~-codebox-tutorial-oscillators-part-2

Wavetables and Wavesets: https://cycling74.com/forums/gen~-codebox-tutorial-oscillators-part-3 

Anti-Aliasing Oscillators: https://cycling74.com/forums/husserl-tutorial-series-part-4-anti-aliasing-oscillators 

Implementing Multiphony in Max: https://cycling74.com/forums/implementing-multiphony-in-max 

Envelope Followers, Limiters, and Compressors: https://cycling74.com/forums/husserl-tutorial-series-part-6-envelope-followers-limiting-and-compression 

Repeating ADSR Envelope in gen~: https://cycling74.com/forums/husserl-tutorials-part-7-repeating-adsr-envelope-in-gen~ 

JavaScript: the Oddest Programming Language: https://cycling74.com/forums/husserl-tutorial-series-javascript-part-one 

JavaScript for the UI, and JSUI: https://cycling74.com/forums/husserl-tutorial-9-javascript-for-the-ui-and-jsui 

Programming pattrstorage with JavaScript: https://cycling74.com/forums/husserl-tutorial-series-programming-pattrstorage-with-javascript 

Applying gen to MIDI and real-world cases. https://cycling74.com/forums/husserl-tutorial-series-11-applying-gen-to-midi-and-real-world-cases 

The original voice allocator in Max4 was a very simple design, allocating voices in a round-robin fashion (1>2.3>4>1>2...). That is not ideal, because note-off events can free earlier voices, meaning that the allocator assigns a voice that is already playing to a new voice while others were already freed. Cycling74 has since updated its voice allocator, and I'm led to believe the new version allocates voices on a least-recently-used basis, which is much better. However I've not really experimented with it because I'd already written a voice allocator for gen, and it already provided information and capabilities that is not available in Cycling74's prebuilt object.  It had three buffers to store each voice's pitch, velocity, and age that were accessible to other objects for processing and display. It also turned off notes on the kslider object if there was voice overflow, and provided the last played voice to gen~ for it to use for updating panel indicators. The voice age and velocity data was already useful for showing a 'dancing display' in multislider of playing voices. 

When I got to multiphonic design in Max, it was a pretty simple matter of adding one buffer to remember the channel for each voice, and to add channel search to the note-on/off routines. Meanwhile the subpatch for voice allocation has got pretty complicated, because the same gen object now also provides velocity shaping and polyphonic glide. I'll be describing how all these capabilities work below. Here's a picture of the top-level patch, and a download of it if you want to see it in Max. 

 As well as the support objects for the gen voice allocator, the patch contains velocity-shaping support, channel layering, and MIDI note I/O. The patch contains a little logic to invert the velocities from the kslider object, as it generates 0 values from the bottom edge rather than the top edge. It also stops MIDI note input from being echoed to the MIDI note output.   The gen allocator sends MIDI note events to the appropriate channel, and plays notes from a kslider object for the currently displayed channel on the presentation panel.  

Note: the 'setvalue' messages issued by the join objects at the bottom of this patch are understood by both poly~ and mc.gen~ in Max 8+, so it doesn't matter which is connected to the custom voice allocator.   

At first blush, one might think 16 channels and 32 voices are far more than most people ever want. However, an important feature of multiphonic instruments is that one can layer additional voices over any one channel from other channels, with different sound settings for each channel, simply by sending note events from one channel to others. 

One could go whole hog and trigger all 16 channels with one note to create a massively fat sound with 32 detuned voices, but the technique kind of maxes out at eight oscillators, after which most people find the sound 'too fat.' Mostly people prefer to play four channels with up to four layers each.  Even so 32 voices can run out, so I am thinking of increasing the design to 48 or 64 voices before final release, but people will need a top-notch computer to play that many, so I'm still not sure. 

Even with 32 voices, a wealth of layer choices are possible with only one 16-entry 'layers' buffer, simply by setting multiple channels to trigger from one 'master' channel, and/or daisy-chaining them together.  For example, suppose channel 2 is triggered by notes from channel 1, and channels 3 and 4 are triggered by notes from channel 2. Then:

So one 16-entry buffer already provides many possibilities. For each channel, setting its entry in the buffer to zero means the channel plays by itself. Setting it to another channel causes the channel to receive notes from it.  JavaScript stores and recalls the 'layers' buffer values in multi presets, as described in the previous tutorial. And a simple menu allows setting the layer for each channel; if zero, the channel plays by itself; values between 1 and 16 set the source channel for MIDI notes. 

But there's a problem. gen cannot create more than one event from any event it receives. So the extra note-on events needed to come from outside gen. Therefore I added a subpatch with an uzi that scans the buffer on every note event and echoes the note event to other channels. 

Besides getting caught yet again by the different 0-based and 1-based channel indexing for Max and gen respectively, this mostly worked fine at first attempt. There is a minor quirk. If a note was triggered by another channel, and the layer source is turned off, then the note continues to play until it's turned off manually. So I might add some additional functionality for that, but I'm not sure it's an undesirable behavior. At least it doesn't seem enough to worry about for a first multiphonic release.  That aside, what an amazingly powerful control for such simple design additions! 

At the top of the voice allocator's gen code is one function to calculate velocity shaping, then declarations of all the needed buffers, local data arrays, history variables, and dynamic variables. 

Upon receiving a reset signal, all the buffers reset to zero values, except the age buffer, which needs to be initialized with a number sequence (1~32 for  32 voices). 

Note: I didn't want to use a hot attribute or parameter polling, because they both increase CPU usage, so I used a little design trick for resets. The notes sent into the allocator are actually triggered by the last parameter, pitch, on the first input, which is always above zero. So I send the gen~ object negative numbers for reset signals, which I do an awful lot, in fact, during design lol.

In the below fragment of the panel, the 'dancing voices' display is in the top left, and the velocity shaper controls in the bottom right. Changes to the velocity shaper from the panel trigger another uzi in the patch containing the gen object that causes all the velocities for voices on the same channel to be changed dynamically. Dynamic velocity shaping from MIDI on channels other than the displayed channel is currently not implemented, but the channel for velocity shaping is already on a separate output from gen, so it's simply a matter of connecting the velocity-shaper uzi to the gen object that parses MIDI input. 

After the declarations, a setup routine  populates a data() array with glide times upon reset signal triggering, as well as resetting the buffers when the maximum voice count changes.  

Additionally, I have another routine that changes all the velocities if the velocity shaper panel control is altered. The uzi for dynamic velocity shaping sends in a negative number on the first input, in a different range, to trigger the velocity changes.   This provides dynamic control of all playing voices on a channel. 

This routine selects which voice to turn on, triggered by any positive value on the velocity input when a positive pitch is received on input 1. The routine looks through the age buffer to find the oldest voice and makes it the newest voice. If the oldest voice was on, it turns the voice off on the kslider; but it doesn't need to turn the voice off in gen~, because it's about to send it a new note-on event. gen~ can't distinguish between events with identical values, so as described in Husserl's envelope tutorial, a gate counter increments on every note-on event and its value sent to the new note's voice. 

The velocity value for the two velocity shapers, and the note distance from the last note-on event on the same channel is calculated, and from the latter, the increment size for a cycle-based ramp to the new pitch is calculated too. Then all that data is sent to the appropriate voice (together with its channel assignment, so the voice knows which channel of the control data buffer to use for the new note).   Finally, the new note is written to the appropriate voice index in the velocity, channel, and pitch buffers; the age of the new note is set to 1, and the age of all other voices incremented by one.  

Note-off is triggered by the remaining condition, a zero value on the velocity input when a positive pitch is received on input 1. As there is no indication to which MIDI note-on event a MIDI note-off event is attached, the routine searches for the voice index of the oldest playing note on the same channel with the same pitch. The voice may have been used for another note already, but if it's found, the age of all older playing voices is decremented, moving them up in the age queue, and the age of the voice that has just been turned off is set to the age of the prior oldest playing voice. That means any voices which are not playing have higher indices in the age queue, while all notes that were off are still older, giving all previously played notes as much time as possible to finish their release phases. The velocity buffer is zeroed for the voice that has been turned off, but a record of the channel and pitch is kept, in case they're needed for the multiphonic portamento time calc. Finally the note-off message is sent to the appropriate voice instance of gen~. 

For Husserl4, the voice allocator will be extended to recognize note events from sequencers, such that it knows exactly which voice to turn off, because the sequencers will send a numeric index that increments with each note together with pitch and velocity data. 

Note: some synthesizers also provide other option, such as using the most recently played note, which works for fast-playing sequences of short notes. However in this design, if gen~ reaches the end of an envelope cycle without the note being turned off,  it sends a note-off event itself to the voice allocator via javascript. This means that fast playing short notes do not  use up all the allocation slots, and so other modes are not needed except for high/low-note priority on releasing one of several notes during monophonic play, which is planned for support in a future release. 

And that's the end of the last tutorial for Husserl3.  Now I'm back to final touches and making some demo presets. Happy patching, folks ) 

This is the last tutorial before the Husserl3 release, which I anticipate to be in 3-5 weeks. Prior tutorials in this series: 
Designing a g

husserl-tutorial-series-12-custom-voice-allocation

I've just finished reading all of these and I'm incredibly grateful for all the work you've put in and shared! Did Husserl3 ever come into existence?

Thank you for asking. unfortunately I had a stroke leaving me totally deaf, so I was not able to complete the design. Maybe you will )

Oh I'm sorry to hear that, and simultaneously happy that you are still with us. Definitely curious about where your focus(es) are now, but no pressure on answering that hah.

My mind is definitely not so code-savvy but I'm designing a small multi-channel synthesiser (i think?) it keeps changing and I keep getting distracted (:

Husserl tutorial series (12). Custom voice allocation

Daniel Neshama Itach

I've come across a seemingly straightforward problem that has me stumped.

Specifically, I'm aiming for an initial clipping effect (let's say with a range of 0 to 1)

However, I want the clipping to cease once the input surpasses the lower clip value (set at 0, for example).

What would be the most effective approach to achieve this?

I've come across a seemingly straightforward problem that has me stumped.
I'm looking to address it using gen~.

Specifically, I'm aiming for an initial clipping effect (let's say with a range of 0 to 1)
 However, I want the clipping to cease once the input surpasses the lower clip value (set at 0, for example).

I've come across a seemingly straightforward problem that has me stumped.
I'm looking to address it using gen~.
Specifically, I'm aiming ... 

initial-clipping-in-gen

I'm not entirely sure what you mean -- do you mean that the clipping is bypassed once the input is above zero?

The basic clipping between 0 and 1 can be done with [clip 0 1].  To switch between clipped and non-clipped signal you can just use a [switch]. The condition of the switch is whether the input has ever gone above zero.  Testing for above zero is just [> 0].  The only tricky part is the state change once you've gone above zero. That means you need some kind of memory element -- it could be a [history]  for example.  

With a history you can make a feedback loop:  [in 1] -> [> 0] -> [or] left inlet -> [history] -> [or] right inlet.  That will open once the input goes above zero, and once it is open it will stay open, because the open status (held in the [history]) feeds back through to the [or]. 

If you want to close it again you could add a [switch 0] between the [history] and the [or] (route the [history] the the [switch 0] right inlet.  Now you can send any nonzero value to the [switch 0] left inlet to reset it. 

Now the output of the [or] can also be routed to your [switch] between [in 1] and [in 1] -> [clip 0 1]. 

I would have a similar approach on this as Graham, kinda like this:

Initial clipping in Gen~

jvkr

This came up in our course today, thought it would be good to share it here.

oscbank-in-genexpr

this was very handy to synthesise real world spanish guitar sounds.
ok, I couldn't help but make a stupid joke.
this is great !
it would be nice to make functions to fill those tables.
could be nice with FM synthesis too !
thanks for sharing.


By the way, the reason I shared it, was mostly that I thought it was quite impressive how little code is needed to do this. Instead of fm, a version with pm. And a separation over two channels.

Neat -- PM oscbank is an interesting thing!   Thanks for sharing! 

BTW this example also shows how much cheaper a lot of [cycle @index phase] are than [sin] or even [fastsin]. (Try swapping them out to see the CPU usage go up!)  For the curious: The cycle() operator uses a large wavetable (with linear interpolation by default), fastsin() uses a Taylor series approximation, and sin() is just the C math library's sin(). 

The PM amplitude could be relabeled "modulation index" for the usual phase modulation terminology.

The phase wrapping assumes that accumval is positive only (only positive frequencies). Though, as it happens, since the result goes into a sine shaper (the cycle), a large negative phase wouldn't necessarily be a problem unless it ran for a very long time!   Changing the phase wrapping to wrap(newphase, 0, 1) doesn't seem to have any impact on the CPU measurement, and that would handle negative frequencies properly. 

Maybe `channel` shouldn't be a History. If you had an odd number of active oscillators, you'd end up alternating each oscillator between L and R on each sample, which makes for a pretty drastic filter/RM effect.  Just declare `channel = 0;` before the for loop, and remove `History channel;`. 

Lines like this:

currentphase1 = peek(pdata, i, 0);
currentphase2 = peek(pdata, i, 1);

currentphase1, currentphase2 = peek(pdata, i, channels=2);

Because the math for dealing with bounds checking of `i` only happens once.   Though it's possible the compiler might be smart enough to figure that out anyway!  Actually l can't see much change in the CPU performance... but maybe since you were interested in 'how little code it needs' it might be helpful?

@Graham Thank you for the input, that is really valuable, especially reading  values from multiple channels with peek. Yes, I first tried the wrapping, and didn't see much of a difference cpu wise compared with the if statement as you mention. Maybe wrap is smart enough to do a check before applying the math. I like the if statement because it allows for additional controls, like randomizing the increment values. As soon as I've a bit of time, I'll work further on it.

oscbank in genexpr

Stormo Bobo

Hi, I'm just beginning with gen (event domain version) and gen~ and am wondering does GenExpr support lists or arrays in Max 8? Thanks.

Hi, I'm just beginning with gen (event domain version) and gen~ and am wondering does GenExpr support lists or arrays in Max 8?  Thanks.

lists-in-gen

In Max7 you can create arrays with the buffer object, using the channel parameter for the second array index. You need to declare the buffer at the primary level and in gen~ with the same name to link them. Then you can use peek and poke from both primary level and genexpr, although the syntax is slightly different; in particular the channel index is 0 based in gen but 1 based in the primary level. Block read/writes are also possible in js. It should work the same way in max8 

How disappointing! It makes the nice conditional branching and looping features much less useful (say I want to loop according to the entries of an array)

I don't know if this is still relevant but you can use fluid.list2buf and fluid.buf2list to make this proces  a little easier. FluCoMa is in the package manager.



Lists in Gen?

Martin Hooke

i'm working on some sort of granular for which i would like gen to listen to in1 and when it reaches above a certain level starts recording for a set amount of time into the buffer (let's say 3 seconds) and do this constantly.

Hi there,
i'm working on some sort of granular for which i would like gen to listen to in1 and when it reaches above a certain level starts ... 

record-into-buffer-automatically-by-onset-detection-similar-to-arbhar

Record into buffer automatically by onset detection (similar to arbhar)

James Kogane

Hi-- the tutorial material and documentation I've gotten my hands on uses expressions or math in gen for deploying all the common windows like hanning etc., but I have a folder of over 400 tables I'm trying to use in a window buffer and I'm not sure process of doing this in gen. Is this how it works, just running a wave object in this case through another wave object, or do i do the usual multiplication i would do in msp? Neither the multiplication nor the serial technique here sound right.

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Hi-- the tutorial material and documentation I've gotten my hands on uses expressions or math in gen for deploying all the common windows like hanning etc., but I have a folder of over 400 tables I'm trying to use in a window buffer and I'm not sure process of doing this in gen. Is this how it works, just running a wave object in this case through another wave object, or do i do the usual multiplication i would do in msp?  Neither the multiplication nor the serial technique here sound right.

Hi-- the tutorial material and documentation I've gotten my hands on uses expressions or math in gen for deploying all the common windows ... 

buffer-windowing-in-gen

buffer windowing in gen 

Martin Daigle

I am working on a patch that takes many points of XYZ coordinates and I am trying to create a 3D data visualizer.

I am trying to generate points in space such as a point cloud of sorts that would allow me to zoom in and change the color of the point that I selected. I have tried using jit.gl.gridshape and jit.gl.gridshape which allows me to have one point in space, but I need 24.

I thought that perhaps Jit.gl.multiple would help me manage this, by inserting all of the XYZ coordinates inside of a matrix. As of now, I am not able to send a steady stream of data to more than one cell at a time...

Perhaps there is already a project out there that has all the answers to my questions, feel free to drop a link to them if something comes to mind. eel that I am not far... I have all the data stored in the MTR object if anyone wants to give a crack at it I'd love your help!

3DGenDataVisualiser.maxpat

I am working on a patch that takes many points of XYZ coordinates and I am trying to create a 3D data visualizer.


I thought that perhaps Jit.gl.multiple would help me manage this, by inserting all of the XYZ coordinates inside of a matrix. As of now, I am not able to send a steady stream of data to more than one cell at a time... 

Hello!
I am working on a patch that takes many points of XYZ coordinates and I am trying to create a 3D data visualizer.

I am trying to ... 

interpreting-3d-motion-capture-data-in-max-msp

Its sunday and it was either videogames or this so why not be somewhat productive and help someone out? 

Can you give a clue on what scale the xyz-values are so they can be normalized? Everything becomes much easier when values are between -1 and 1 and right now i'm seeing the x-value in a range of -422. - 527 y in a range of -79 - 822 and z in -1 - 1249?

If anyone else wants to have a go i cleaned up the patch a bit so it might be easier to work with


Points are moving. Selecting one of those points and zooming in is a less trivial task to which i have no clear immediate answer. Maybe if jit.gl.multiple is used instead of jit.mesh you could with jit.gl.picker but i don't know i'd have to look into it later


The data is raw from qualisis track manager so the range is quite wide. I'll spend some time with your updated patch but this is pretty much what I was looking for. I'll try some stuff and repost my findings!

Glad to help and even though there's less objects than your original patch i can imagine there's a lot to unpack. If you have any questions feel free to ask...

I tried using jit.gl.multiple  and see if jit.gl.picker worked but i'm not really getting any good results it seems and i'm not sure if that's me or the object? 
Regarding zooming in on an object once its selected you could try "faking" it and adjust the overal size of jit.gl.multiple/mesh while at the same time increasing the scale of the object you have selected? 

(use "enable" to turn of the mesh and "worldcube" to see how jit.gl.multiple responds to jit.gl.picker)

I am trying to change the color of specific points. for example In my grid, I want to change the color of 0 0 to Green and perhaps make this one bigger. I want to have malleable control over each point for a presentation.

how would you approach taking this from your reply patches?
And many thanks again for the help!

"I want to have malleable control over each point for a presentation."

You need to dive into matrix-manipulation and jit.gen because it usually is the best tool for this. Here's how i would approach changing the color of a specific point and i think adjusting the scale as well is a good exercise for you to try :)

yes, you are right! I have probably done 10h of lessons on the subject with some of the amazing instructional videos on YouTube. My reflexes and comprehension of these objects still lack unfortunately. I'm really hoping to get better, perhaps going through these tutorials over again will help. 

I know that this troubleshooting with you really helped, since Matrices are esentially lists... and my XYZ coordinates are a large lists which needed to be separated in 3s... your proposed way makes a lot of sense to me now!

"since Matrices are esentially lists... and my XYZ coordinates are a large lists which needed to be separated in 3s"

Exactly, Max is all just numbers and ways to convert those numbers into something else. 

Cycling '74 Forums

On the other hand if I avoid resizing the buffer and dump its data into the multislider each time I increase the sequence length, I run ...

Hello, I'm new to Gen.

Is it possible to get the current value of the "hot" / "interval" attributes from inside codebox? I've got some event-driven code where ...

Oh I'm sorry to hear that, and simultaneously happy that you are still with us.

I would have a similar approach on this as Graham, kinda like this:

@Graham Thank you for the input, that is really valuable, especially reading values from multiple channels with peek.

I don't know if this is still relevant but you can use fluid.list2buf and fluid.buf2list to make this proces a little easier.

Hi there, i'm working on some sort of granular for which i would like gen to listen to in1 and when it reaches above a certain level starts ...

Hi-- the tutorial material and documentation I've gotten my hands on uses expressions or math in gen for deploying all the common windows ...

"since Matrices are esentially lists...