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I'm working on an interactive A/V project using Max 8.1.11 and Live 11.0.2 that relies on 

https://cycling74.com/tools/searchtweet-design-patches-that-respond-to-twitter-posts/

I've input my own API keys from Twitter and constructed two Max for Live devices that utilise the search Tweet functionality as intended. I have ensured they do not exceed Twitter's API call limits (300 per 15 minutes using the GET function).

The problem is that whenever these devices make an API call, Live's entire GUI - and, crucially, the visual output from Jitter, whether viewed in a Jitter window or output via Syphon - pause momentarily. Audio is not interrupted and there is no spike in Live's CPU meter. Live's transport visually stutters.

All other applications are quit and I was unable to identify a source of the glitch outside Live in Activity Monitor.

I have also tested other people's devices using the Searchtweet mxj object and they produce the same pause to Live's GUI: all running parameters (transport, etc.) visually stall out for about one second without impacting audio. I also tested these devices in Live 10 rather than 11 and in projects in both Live versions without any Jitter objects and they cause the same visual stall-out.

This is all running Mac OS X 10.15.7 on a fairly high-performance MBP: 2.4 GHz 8-Core Intel Core i9, 32 GB 2667 MHz DDR4, with an AMD Radeon Pro 5500M 8 GB GPU. I've tried using 

 to restrict use to the AMD GPU only but it doesn't seem to make a difference either.

Internet connection is hardwired via ethernet cable, measured at 60 mbps download / 10 mbps upload.

If this were an audio-only project it wouldn't be an issue but the visual component is critical and these hiccups aren't acceptable. The visuals are running perfectly whenever the Twitter API isn't engaged.

I'm fairly comfortable with Max/MSP but admittedly don't really have any Java skills. I know I'm using Live but the issue is clearly with mxj, hence the post in this forum.

If anyone has any ideas on resolving this, that would be amazing!

I'm working on an interactive A/V project using Max 8.1.11 and Live 11.0.2 that relies on GOKCE KINAYOGLU's brilliant Searchtweet patch: https://cycling74.com/tools/searchtweet-design-patches-that-respond-to-twitter-posts/

The problem is that whenever these devices make an API call, Live's entire GUI - and, crucially, the visual output from Jitter, whether viewed in a Jitter window or output via Syphon - pause momentarily. Audio is not interrupted and there is no spike in Live's CPU meter. Live's transport visually stutters.

All other applications are quit and I was unable to identify a source of the glitch outside Live in Activity Monitor.

updating Twitter4j to 4.0.7 - this caused Console errors, had to revert to 4.0.1;

updating Java SDE from the Cycling 74 recommended 8 to the latest (16) - no difference, same glitch, reverted back to the recommended version; and,

removing all unnecessary GET functions - no change in performance there either.

This is all running Mac OS X 10.15.7 on a fairly high-performance MBP: 2.4 GHz 8-Core Intel Core i9, 32 GB 2667 MHz DDR4, with an AMD Radeon Pro 5500M 8 GB GPU. I've tried using gfx.io to restrict use to the AMD GPU only but it doesn't seem to make a difference either.

If anyone has any ideas on resolving this, that would be amazing!

Thanks for reading.

Hi everyone!
I'm working on an interactive A/V project using Max 8.1.11 and Live 11.0.2 that relies on GOKCE KINAYOGLU's brilliant Searchtwe

mxj-searchtweet-gui-glitch

the best advice I can give you is to extract the Jitter elements out of your project, place them in a separate patch, and run that patch using an instance of standalone Max. create hooks using udpsend/udpreceive for any UI elements (or other controllers any your main patch) to the relevant Jitter parameters/messages/attributes.

I would create a simple test project first to verify this fixes your stutters before fully committing.  happy to advise further on how best to achieve this extraction and synch on your project with more details, or issues you run into.

it's also possible using something like node-for-max there may be a solution that doesn't stall the main thread, but in general for these types of projects running Jitter in its own process is going to give you the best results.

Thanks for the swift response Rob - I'll definitely experiment with this!

However, just to be clear, it's worth noting my Jitter output runs absolutely fine as configured - so long as I don't ping Twitter's API via the MXJ patch.

I would share the devices here, but don't want to give away my private API keys. Let me know if you'd like me to send it to you via email.

It became abundantly clear that the issue was with the MXJ object and not Jitter. Furthermore, this project relies heavily on tight integration between Live and Jitter that would not be possible over UDP. 

However, inspired by your suggestion, I managed to sandbox the MXJ Search Tweet in a separate maxpat running outside of Live's thread, sending and receiving intermittent (non-continuous) ints and floats via UDP.

Thankfully this seems to have resolved the issue with Live's GUI and Jitter output stuttering! 

Unfortunately, the sandboxed maxpat often freezes of its own accord, which I can observe in Activity Monitor. This happens without any CPU spike or outsized network packets, but nevertheless takes the functionality offline - deeply suboptimal.

I have attached a version of the .maxpat here with my API keys removed; I'm using the Cycling74-recommended Java 8 with the searchtweet.class and twitter4j lib folder installed to Shared/Max 8/Library as instructed with the materials here: https://cycling74.com/tools/searchtweet-design-patches-that-respond-to-twitter-posts/

All its receiving via UDP is the int "1" banged in every two bars from Live at most.

Do you think you could take a quick look and let me know if there is anything obviously wrong with the patch?

Update: since restarting my machine the above patch seems to be working smoothly - hopefully the performance quality holds..!

MXJ Searchtweet GUI glitch

zion

I used and learned Max for the several 4 years,

my question is how can I move my works to the commercial field- applications, softwares, plugins for DAW, Etc.

I guess there is no comfort or easy way to translate max to another languages and I have to do it all again, so what is the official language for MSP when it comes to PC, mobiles apps and plugins, is there any good and efficient way or site to learn it as soon as possible as an educated programmer?

I would appreciate any information and tips,

I used and learned Max for the several 4 years,
 my question is how can I move my works to the commercial field- applications, softwares, plugins for DAW, Etc.
 I guess  there is no comfort or easy way to translate max to another languages and I have to do it all again, so what is the official language for MSP when it comes to PC, mobiles apps and plugins, is there any good and efficient way or site to learn it as soon as possible as an educated programmer?
 

I would appreciate any information and tips,
 Thanks

I used and learned Max for the several 4 years,
 my question is how can I move my works to the commercial field- applications, softwares, pl

converting-a-patch-to-pc-apps-and-plugins-languages

I think there are a few ways to use of your work for commercial applications. 

Package them as Max for Live devices and sell them on Gumroad 

Package them for hardware, such as for the MOD pedals  

Create standalone applications and submit to the App store

Michael Gary Dean
https://michaeldean.ca/ 

Thank you very much Michael for your answer, I know  about your first suggestion and we'll explore the other two,  so really thank you again!
Zion

Very good suggestions indeed. I personally prefer the idea of creating standalone mac apps and publishing on the store. I personally know a lot some people at who has been successfully able to do so. All the best.
Regards,
Alice H
EduHelpHub 

Very good suggestion indeed. I personally know a  few people who has been successfully able to publish apps on the App store for mac

Converting a patch to pc apps and plugins languages  

mjosefson

is it possible to pass a String with characters that has a Unicode codePoint over 0xFFFF? It seems to me like the characters get truncated both when received or send over the MXJ objects. Interesting it works when posting from MXJ objects to the Max window.

Any suggestions would be much appreciated.

Hello,
is it possible to pass a String with characters that has a Unicode codePoint over 0xFFFF? It seems to me like the characters get trun

problem-passing-string-to-and-from-mxj-with-unicode-codepoint-over-0xffff

Problem passing String to and from MXJ with Unicode codePoint over 0xFFFF

drvortex

Is Max still limited to Java 1.8 or can we use java 11 or 12?

what-version-of-java

What version of JAVA

dfwaudio

I have an Issue with Arvids 'mxj tcpClient' java object. Maybe sombody can help, please.

I'm using the tcpClient to send telnet commands over :localhost (127.0.0.1) to a lighting software. It seemed to work very well. All commands are transmitted, Latancy is near zero.

But after sending about 330 lines of commands in one connected session, the lighting software freezes 'till i close the connection. If i connect again it works again for 330 lines... then: freezing the host once more.

It depends on the max patch, for shure, because with windows command line there are no problems. I can send more than 5000 lines without any freezing.

I think there is any problem with something like a buffer size. So i spent a day to look into the java files. But since i'm no code line programmer at all, it's really hard. My last attempt was to look into ...Cycling '74\Max 8\resources\packages\max-mxj\java-classes\classes\buf... I can't get any clear information for myself.

Arvid also added an edited 'buf' folder. Sadly it's also a mystery for me.

So, i know this question is very specific, but eventually here are some java pros who can help.

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