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Simon East

I have a really odd issue that I have been trying to debug for a week now and I am getting nowhere with it - so maybe someone here has some ideas that might help.

I have an existing M4L plugin that is released and working fine in Live 10, 11 and 12.

I've made some updates to it and Livee now it crashes when a project containing the plugin is loaded into Live 10.1.43 - it does not crash Live 11 or 12.

I've created two new Live 10 projects that only contain the original plugin. One I save with the default plugin settings. The other I save with a change to one live.numbox item.

If I then switch the plugin file to the new version, restart Live 10, and load the project with the default plugin settings it works fine. But if I try and load the project that has the one change saved it crashes every time.

I have now deleted everything else from inside the new version of the plugin apart from the single live.numbox item and the crash still happens - it seems to simply be the act of Live setting the value of the live.numbox that is crashing it. The only thing that might be slightly out of the ordinary is that the live.numbox is in a bpatcher maxpat which is itself contained in another maxpat because this code is reused in a number of other plugins - but these nexted bpatchers have been working fine in previous versions.

I've also found one other UI item, a live.menu, that has the same effect. But other live.menu items in the maxpat work fine and don't cause a crash. Same thing happens with this - if a test project is saved with the original default settings then it works fine, but if the selection of the menu is changed then it crashes when loaded.

I have tried this on Mac and Windows - same crash on both - so I don't think it can be some local config issue. Besides that this has all be working fine for previous releases.

Anyone got any ideas how I can work out what is going on here?

I have a really odd issue that I have been trying to debug for a week now and I am getting nowhere with it - so maybe someone here has some...

maxforlive-plugin-crashing-live-10143

MaxForLive plugin crashing Live 10.1.43 

Dave Dave

I'm just starting out with M4L, so please excuse if this is a silly problem. 

I want to control playback in Ableton via a M4L device and have this in turn be controlled with my Midi controller. So, to give an example, I press a C1 on the controller which I mapped to a "play" button on the M4L device which in turn tells Ableton to, in this example, "start playback". 

Now, the problem I keep running into is this:

When I press the Midi controller, it does trigger the M4L button - but only every other time. Or, to be more precise, it doesn't "untrigger" it when I release the controller so that it is immediately ready to fire again. However, when I press the same M4L button not via the Midi controller but directly with my mouse, the M4L device triggers every time without fail. 

I reckon there should be a way to remedy this? please help :)

Hi there!

I'm just starting out with M4L, so please excuse if this is a silly problem. 
I want to control playback in Ableton via a M4L...

problem-with-controlling-m4l-device-via-midi

Problem with controlling M4l device via Midi

Jake McLain

I'm working on a patch that revolves around Ableton's Wavetable device, and need a way to set the modulation matrix programmatically using the js object. From the 

Live Object Model docs for WavetableDevice

, I've discovered some functions attached to the device. I've had no issues setting parameters (using 

) or setting the properties attached to the WavetableDevice.

My issue is that I can't figure out the syntax that the add_parameter_to_modulation_matrix function is expecting. The docs describe Parameter: 

 [DeviceParameter], but I am receiving syntax errors.

I've tried passing the following as arguments:

- Live object_id for the parameter to be added

api.call("is_parameter_modulatable", "parameters " + filterFreqParamId)
or
api.call("is_parameter_modulatable", filterFreqParamId)

- param_index on the device (eg. 26 for Filter Freq 1)

api.call("is_parameter_modulatable", "parameters " + filterFreqParamIndex)
or 
api.call("is_parameter_modulatable", filterFreqParamIndex)

- passing the object as a new LiveAPI instance

var paramApi = new LiveAPI("live_set view selected_track devices " + wavetableIndex + "parameters " + filterFreqParamIndex);
api.call("is_parameter_modulatable", paramApi);

api.call("is_parameter_modulatable", "live_set view selected_track devices " + wavetableIndex + " parameters " + filterFreqParamIndex)

All of these return an error, such as jsliveapi: Invalid arguments: 'is_parameter_modulatable parameters 26'

What is the correct way to pass a DeviceParameter as an argument to a function using the JS Live API like this? 

Calling Device Function that expects DeviceParameter argument

calling-device-function-that-expects-deviceparameter-argument

Laurence Wilkins

Has anyone else experienced this in Ableton 10? With many, but not all M4L devices, including Autotuna, Pitch Shift, and multiple devices I've created myself, it seems that while automation for parameters on these devices work fine within the project when playing, its effect is not heard when exporting to audio.

Hi all,
Has anyone else experienced this in Ableton 10? With many, but not all M4L devices, including Autotuna, Pitch Shift, and multiple devices I've created myself, it seems that while automation for parameters on these devices work fine within the project when playing, its effect is not heard when exporting to audio.

Hi all,
Has anyone else experienced this in Ableton 10? With many, but not all M4L devices, including Autotuna, Pitch Shift, and multiple de

automation-on-m4l-doesn't-seem-to-export-in-ableton-10-1-3-properly

if there are any programmatic changes which affect the controls (say a number passed into a live.dial) during playback it will disable the automation that you have previously recorded in the automation lane.  (the lane would turn gray rather than red).  Is that possibly what’s happening?

I am also facing this problem. Please give me any appropriate 

Automation on M4L doesn't seem to export in Ableton 10.1.3 properly?

Sonoran Music Devices

live.remote~ is not accurately outputting its inputs. The larger the number, the worse the difference.

The below patch clearly demonstrates this.

It really appears to be an issue with live.remote~ and not any of the other objects. You can see the signal is being printed accurately right before it hits live.remote~.

I spent a lot of time ruling out every possible setting. 

It would be nice to get a confirmation before I raise a ticket. 

A lot of people do not use such big numbers, but they matter a lot when doing bit packing.

Windows 11 | Live 12.1.10b2 | Bundled Max version | Intel i9-13900HX

live.remote~ is not accurately outputting its inputs. The larger the number, the worse the difference.

The below patch clearly...

bug-liveremote-not-outputting-its-inputs-accurately-reproducible-example-inside

Bug. live.remote~ not outputting its inputs accurately. Reproducible. Example inside.

Messinki

When I have a max for live device that contains a vst~ object, I can send the device MIDI and CCs with no issue, but when I make it so that the device instead loads the vst~ using javascript (after the max for live device is loaded) then sending CCs or fast amounts of MIDI causes the visuals of Ableton Live to slow down to about 5fps. Does anyone know what's causing this, and there's a way fix?

Hellooo,

When I have a max for live device that contains a vst~ object, I can send the device MIDI and CCs with no issue, but when I make...

vst-slows-ui-when-created-after-device-load

VST~ slows UI when created after device load

joe mugg

I'm trying to customize a device called "Sixteen Macros", but need some guidance on the patcher code.

My midi controller automatically controls any highlighted device in Live, with the 1st knob auto-mapping to the 1st parameter, the 2nd knob to the 2nd parameter, and so on. But with "Sixteen Macros", the auto-mapping order is:

This funky order happens with multiple controllers, and doesn't happen with Live's built-in macros, so it must be due to some bug in this particular MFL device's code. If so, it should be easily modifiable, but I just can't figure out which aspect of the code determines this mapping order.

Can anyone advise? The device is free if you want to take a look yourself: 

http://www.maxforlive.com/library/device/646/mfl-collection-by-the-covert-operators

knobs 1, 2, ... 6, 7 --> parameters 10, 11, ... 15, 16 (in that order)

Max For Live Forum