Robin Parmar

When I build an app of any complexity, I try to follow best practice for separating interface and algorithm (a pragmatic approach to MVC). This means that my interface elements are in one or more [bpatcher]. If I apply [mira.frame] to the presentation view, none of these show up. If the frame is in the abstraction itself, these show up, but take up an entire tab on the browser.

Just wondering as to the likelihood of seeing support for the parent view of [bpatcher] in the future?

When I build an app of any complexity, I try to follow best practice for separating interface and algorithm (a pragmatic approach to MVC). This means that my interface elements are in one or more [bpatcher]. If I apply [mira.frame] to the presentation view, none of these show up. If the frame is in the abstraction itself, these show up, but take up an entire tab on the browser. 

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bpatcher support was "next on the list" in 2013, I wouldn't get your hopes up...


Using the Presentation Mode to organize your interface/processing works fine *and* plays well with Mira, of course....


@Max, what do you mean by this? It seems to not respond to Robins request?

@Robin I support this wish as well. Right now I have had to add additional inlets to all my bpatchers that let me essentially make a redundant gui outside the bpatcher. It's somewhat frustrating, as bpatchers really are best practice in max... 

However, and partly in response to @jeff, I'm hopeful that they'll get around to it, since there's actual, multi-person, active development of mira now, as well as quite a lot of user support of the project. (I'm playing my 3rd show with a large touch screen on monday! :) )


I could certainly have been clearer, I think: I tend to create very large patches and either use the Presentation Mode to handle the UI, or I send UI outputs into inlet of a bpatcher. I started doing both those things back when the Presentation mode appeared, and haven't ever really had a problem. Of course I've never felt the need or desire in any way to port my performance patch to an iPad, so perhaps this is not helpful "advice." I was responding to the question with the workaround I've traditionally used. That's all, really.


Ah, gotcha. Your advice can certainly be brought into my own workflow, now that we have snippets.  That will let me retain the modularity in the UI section as well. Thank you so much for the clarification, Max. It's been a bit of an eye opener, actually.


Yes, a workaround to interfaces not working in a [bpatcher] is to not put interfaces in a [bpatcher]. Which amounts to not using them at all, since that's what they are for! 

However, this immediately means that you cannot create modular interfaces.  I think it's bad practice.


At first, I also thought that it would be nice that Mira shows bpatcher contents. Then I tried several things and now I think differently. In my opinion, it would not be that flexible.

When using a Mira interface, you need to build a specific GUI. It is interesting to show parameters from different patches in Mira.

Hey together,
is there a workaround to show a lcd object in MIRA to display painted graphics?



Wow, thank you Nicolas!

I spent a good while trying to unpack and understand how you'd done this - I'm not that deep into pattr, but this actually taught me some really useful stuff - especially about how to use the :: argument.

I knocked up this simpler version of the patch above for those - like me - who are much greener:


Clean explanation of my example, thank you Exeterdown !

Mira bpatcher support

In the past, I used to be able to create a wireless network on my macbook pro and have my iPad connect to it and Mira would find that network as well and life was wine and roses.

Since then, I have preferred to use the usb connection. So I have been using this for some years. But now, when I try to return to my old ways, Mira doesn’t seem to recognise the ad-hoc wifi. The iPad does.

I’m running iOS 17.4.1 3rd generation iPad Pro

Hi there.

In the past, I used to be able to create a wireless network on my macbook pro and have my iPad connect to it and Mira would find...

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Mira doesn’t ad-hoc wireless wifi

equanimous

Hello, I don't know if there is another place to ask for new features, but I cannot use the wonderful Mira technology without the support for BPatcher in my project.

Nesting the Mira.Frame inside them is not enough for me...

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I can tell you it's right at the top of my to-do list, if that's any comfort. Believe me, I want bpatcher as well. Nesting mira.frame inside them is not enough for me either.

I'm glad to hear that Sam, I'll be patient!  

What do you think also of the idea of a free(or cheap) runtime version of Mira for IOS for the user who would get my Standalone version of my actual patch...  

Thank, and tell me, what is the banana output sound :) ?


Just wondering if bpatcher support will be making its way to Mira anytime soon? I could really do with it!


Oh, you know. One of these days. iPhone support is probably next on the docket, but honestly there are so many fish frying all over the place over here that it's hard to say for sure when anything will be ready.

Hope that's not too annoying. Again, personally bpatcher would be a big win for me as well.


To be fair your on it like a car bonnet. In your own time pal. Waveform~ would be don too but I keep reading it's not that valued as an object. Personally I don't make a single patch that doesn't use it. Your YouTube videos are massively appreciated too.


Just started looking at Mira as a possible replacement for my current approach (Lemur + OSC communicating with Max). It seems absolutely wonderful based on my initial experiments. Unfortunately, most of my UI items live deep inside bpatchers (often nested) which are often then grouped inside yet more bpatchers. 

Mira would have to be able to see various subsets of my top level view.

Is this something that's coming soon or do I need to stick with Lemur?


I have to say I'm really very impressed with Mira. I did a workaround and just made send/receive connections to the underlying UI controls and just made a new collection of controls and put a mira.frame over them.
Even though Lemur is a very nice tool, if one already uses Max, then Mira is a much more convenient solution.


Another vote for bpatcher! Mira's handy because it lets you build very custom interface components - and often you want to have those apply to multiple channels. Bpatcher would make it much easier since we could edit a component in one place, rather than for every channel.


I just got Mira and bpatchers were the first thing I noticed that was missing.


I know software updating is difficult and I don't want to be unkind. I paid $50 for Mira and it is high time for an update.  I would certainly pay for that too.  The last promise I see was 2013.  Please!!!


PS.  I used Mira successfully on a project in 2014.  Bought an iPad specifically because Mira was available.  Now into another major project for summer 2016 and I really need all of the promised features and more.  The ideal would be that Mira mirrors all of the features of Max.


Well it's 2017, about three years later and there's still no bpathcher support. And not even support for some *really* basic items like text buttons. I love Max and cycling74 but after dropping $10 and god knows what on an iPad, I expected a more professional product. Really disappointed here, is there any chance at all for an update or are MIRA users destined to be stuck with an unfinished product?


@JEFF, take a look at Miraweb, a mostly open source project that hopefully provides the possibility for the community to make all sorts of UI elements in a browser to control Max. Read more here:
https://cycling74.com/articles/content-you-need-miraweb/

I'll offer another vote of confidence for miraweb. It's pretty amazing, to be honest. (and this is coming from someone who still dreams of bpatchers too!)


@Ben thanks for the tip, miraweb is pretty good in terms of platform support, but still bafflingly lacking in basic tools like textbutton and bpatcher. I guess I'll either wait for an update or fork the git project myself   ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


@JEFF Yeah, we all want bpatcher, including me! But, bpatcher poses some difficult issues to overcome as it involves traversing patcher hierarchy and navigating a bunch of other not-so-easy to deal with components. 

Another vote for bpatcher support.
7 years now?


haha. 2021. No BpM.
The top of that 'to-do' list...!

it really would be beneficial for a stupid amount of reason. I appreciate the work that goes into developing anything.
but 7/8 years of waiting needs to come to an end. because people want to use Mira, not go to other sources where it is another long winded affair & may not work fully to how you want

so please, update. I've had Mira since the very beginning & cant use it, because 'top of the list', doesn't seem to be 'top of the list'

I also bought the app around 2013 and adapted some of my patches and workflow to work with Mira on my iPad. I think that the whole point of the app is to control max right away. If you need to create special interface patches to interact with it,  the whole sense of the immediacy is lost. I know that coding in max requires time and its far away from the consumer apps for IOS. 

A lot of effort has been given to create nice Vizzie and Beap modules in the past years, all of them are Bparchers for a good reason right? 

I would love to hear someone from Cycling74 honestly saying: well we tried but it’s not possible and it’s never going to be. 

That way I could stop visiting this post every year since the last seven years :)

wholeheartedly agree with you Pagarreton. we want word of what is happening

its that long in the tooth, its practically a sabre tooth tiger & feels just as extinct

its been over a month. can we please get a word from the higher ups on what is happening. even if you are going to do bugger all & not do anything with MIRA anymore.
because for 4 years, there has been no cycling74 person that has answered since. this not only brings doubt to the situation, but just is not good in general

so please, gives us an answer, whether bad or good. i dont care at this point, i/we just want an answer

p.s.
yes, i know COVID-19 has brought some stand still to businesses. but we have all been dealing with this for over a year now, so that doesnt really mean much, since as said, we have all been dealing with it

adding my +1 for bPatcher support. Any movement on this? It seems like it's been on the list for features to implement since 2013?

+ iPad M series
+ iPad 16" coming
+ Massive Mira Update
= pleeeeze!


another +1 for bpatcher mira support from me. :)
got an ipad for other reasons but grabbed mira today. was really stunned you can't put mira frame over a collection of bpatchers. clearly i am not the first one to feel this way :)
thx!

No need to add bpatcher to Mira! hehe -  Here is an elegant solution for controlling a zillion bpatchers with 1 Mira patch!

Added bonus - all the controls (except very basic like "on" off") are hidden on the laptop and open in floating mode! (I really super needed that) - free's up miles of real estate.

Hint: once you manually set the receives in the bpatchers, you can just use Mira. 

***Note to self -Maybe add an "open" "close" buttons to Mira for opening bpatcers using the same send/recieve logic.

Really hope that Max 9 updates the mira.frame so we dont have to keep using lemur or touch osc. 
Please fix Bpatcher support, and other interface elements that wont display properly in mira.frame <3

every day now I'm thinking - "if I am over there with my pad (Mira) and my laptop is wayyyy over there (with all my patches sized really tiny for maximum frame rate), it would really be great to have a live.scope and jit.pwindow in Mira!

Bpatcher needed in Mira

I'm working on a live setup (using max patches, only) and was looking at midi controller options

I already have a Faderfox EC4 that I want to use, But I wanted something else for bigger patches. Something that, beneath interesting control opportunities, also offers good feedback of my patch states and presets

I have an iPad lying around and just remembered I bough the MIRA app a long time ago

I remember having some problems when I used it back then. But haven't touched it in ages

Seems quite stable now… anyone uses MIRA in a live setup, though? Is it stable for you? any latency problems?

I'm working on a live setup (using max patches, only) and was looking at midi controller options

I already have a Faderfox EC4 that I want...

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Is MIRA stable enough for live performances?

dnealelo

Hello Braintrust -- I keep getting this error popping up in my console when I'm running a patch with Mira in it:

xebra_global: XEBListeningConnection_ListenProc: Error accepting connection: 670008 nodename nor servname provided, or not known

The connection appears to work fine, but the error pops up every several seconds, so it interferes with using my console to track output while I'm problem solving the patch. I am running the latest versions of Max and Mira on OS X Yosemite 10.10.5 (it's a 2010 iMac, so I'm kind of done upgrading the OS) and iOS 9.3.5 on an iPad3.

Can anyone direct me what to do to fix this error?

Hello Braintrust -- I keep getting this error popping up in my console when I'm running a patch with Mira in it:  

The connection appears to work fine, but the error pops up every several seconds, so it interferes with using my console to track output while I'm problem solving the patch.  I am running the latest versions of Max and Mira on OS X Yosemite 10.10.5 (it's a 2010 iMac, so I'm kind of done upgrading the OS) and iOS 9.3.5 on an iPad3.  

Can anyone direct me what to do to fix this error?


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I have the same issue with Max 7.3.4 on my mid-2015 MBP, El Capitain, with iOS 11.1.2 on an iPad Air 2, running MIRA 1.2.1 - it's probably trivial, but it would be good to know...

Well, years and many Max versions later (currently 8.5.3) , I'm still getting this error: xebra_global: XEBListeningConnection_ListenProc: Error accepting connection: 670008 nodename nor servname provided, or not known

same :
xebra_global: XEBListeningConnection_ListenProc: Error accepting connection: 670008 nodename nor servname provided, or not known

Same for me: Apple M1 Pro, Mac os: 12.6.4

Also they appears after deleting the mira patch inside.


MIRA for me as an av performer and PhD researcher, has been one of THE most helpful and liberating software devs in MAX  - because it allows us to move from numbers to gesture!  

Below is a what ChatGPT said in response to my question: “Is there any possible explanation for why this error appears in MAX/MSP: ‘xebra_global: XEBListeningConnection_ListenProc: Error accepting connection: 670008 nodename nor servname provided, or not known’?

 “The error message "xebra_global: XEBListeningConnection_ListenProc: Error accepting connection: 670008 nodename nor servname provided, or not known" in MAX/MSP's MIRA can occur for a few different reasons.

One possible explanation is that the Xebra server is not running or is not installed properly. In this case, MAX/MSP is unable to establish a connection with the server and generates the error message.

Another possibility is that there is an issue with the network settings or firewall configuration, preventing the connection from being established. This can include issues such as incorrect network addresses or port numbers, or firewalls blocking the connection.

Additionally, the error message could also indicate a problem with the MAX/MSP or MIRA software itself, such as a bug or compatibility issue. In this case, the error message would likely appear consistently or in a particular set of circumstances.

To troubleshoot this error, it's important to check the Xebra server status, network settings, and firewall configuration, and ensure that they are all set up correctly. It may also be helpful to consult the MAX/MSP and MIRA documentation, and to search online forums for similar issues and solutions.”

I am having the same error message. Has anyone been able to troubleshoot this problem? 

Xebra error above my pay grade

Little-P

For an Looper-Instrument i wan't to make the waveform of the buffer-input visible in the mira.frame. I use an rslider as overlay on waverform~, so i can pick precisely which part of the buffer i wan't to loop.

Waveform~is not supported for mira.frame. Is there an alternative for that?

Hey everyone!
For an Looper-Instrument i wan't to make the waveform of the buffer-input visible in the mira.frame. I use an rslider as overl

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Waveform~ alternativ for mira.frame for displaying the buffer.

Gautzilla

I'm getting my hands on MIRA and I stumbled upon a weird behaviour.

I have the attached patch, with a single button in my MIRA UI, and a [pattr] object bound to this button.

If MIRA and max are in the same mode (either both in patcher mode, or both in presentation mode with the MIRA window added to the presentation), pressing the button on the remote UI sends a 1. followed by a 0. as intended.

However, if the MIRA window isn't included in the presentation and that the Max window is in presentation mode, pressing the remote UI button will make it fire a 1. and remain stucked here: it will not fire a 0. and pressing it again will have no effect.

I don't know if that's intented to work that way, but it's kind of a bummer in situations where the PC UI is different from the remote UI (I might not want to include the remote UI in the main presentation window).

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Hi everyone,

I'm getting my hands on MIRA and I stumbled upon a weird behaviour.

I have the attached patch, with a single button in my...

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Button and [pattr] behave differently in Presentation mode

Aude Portalier

I'm trying to use miraweb, but when I create the mira.frame object no websocket is provided. Same thing when using the miraweb launcher, no error message or anything but just no IP address ( websocket connection available at: 

Any idea what this could be related to? Both mira and miraweb packages are installed.

Hello,

I'm trying to use miraweb, but when I create the mira.frame object no websocket is provided. Same thing when using the miraweb...

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mira.frame no websocket

Jiri Jakl

when creating 9 frames - 7 in main patcher, 2 in sub patcher Mira works good, but after

save and reopen patcher and Mira, Mira made corrupt objects and changed order of frames. Writing number to the index ... 1, 2, 3, etc. to the inspector window did not fix problem. 

I would like to ask if it is possible using frames from more patcher windows. is it nrcrssaty syntax for indexing..? MacBook Pro 2012, i7 OS X 7.5 MAX 7.3.6 MIRA

when creating 9 frames - 7 in main patcher, 2 in sub patcher Mira works good, but after
save and reopen patcher and Mira, Mira made corrupt objects and changed order of frames. Writing number to the index ... 1, 2, 3, etc. to the inspector window did not fix problem. 
I would like to ask if it is possible using frames from more patcher windows. is it nrcrssaty syntax for indexing..?    MacBook Pro 2012, i7 OS X 7.5 MAX 7.3.6 MIRA

when creating 9 frames - 7 in main patcher, 2 in sub patcher Mira works good, but after
save and reopen patcher and Mira, Mira made corrupt ... 

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Ran into a weird Mira issue with frames in my patcher – everything's cool initially, but after saving and reopening, it's like Mira has a mind of its own, messing up objects and frame order. Tried the number trick in the inspector, no luck.

The screen of iPad after saving and reopening. 1.,2.,4 blocks of faders are corrupted, 3. is OK.


Looks like a presentation mode thing.
check setting in Mira 

And also presentation (or not) on laptop 

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My iPad running MIRA connects to my MacBook Pro M3 on the Thunderbolt 4 port but it only receives power on the USB3 port of my Satechi Type-C Multi-Port Adapter 4K and does not communicate with MAX.

It will communicate with MAX when I use USB-C to USB-A on the Satechi Type-C Multi-Port Adapter.

I'm trying to get my head around all the ports, the USB-C vs Thunderbolt communication on the new Macs because I want to use a USB-C adapter for my iPad MIRA to my Laptop communication.

My iPad running MIRA connects to my MacBook Pro M3 on the Thunderbolt 4 port but it only receives power on the USB3 port of my Satechi Type-C Multi-Port Adapter 4K and does not communicate with MAX. 

It will communicate with MAX when I use USB-C to USB-A on the Satechi Type-C Multi-Port Adapter.
Why?
I'm trying to get my head around all the ports, the USB-C vs Thunderbolt communication on the new Macs because I want to use a USB-C adapter for my iPad MIRA to my Laptop communication.

My iPad running MIRA connects to my MacBook Pro M3 on the Thunderbolt 4 port but it only receives power on the USB3 port of my Satechi ... 

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MIRA connection USB3 & Thunderbolt 4

Ben Bracken

 Package, as well as published updates to 

For a more detailed overview of involved bugfixes and enhancements please refer to the change log below or visit the GitHub repository (

https://www.npmjs.com/package/xebra-communicator

We've released a small update to the Miraweb Package, as well as published updates to Xebra.js and Xebra-Communicator on NPM.

For a more detailed overview of involved bugfixes and enhancements  please refer to the change log below or visit the GitHub repository (https://github.com/Cycling74/miraweb)

You can find Miraweb 1.2.5 in the Max Package Manager.

Xebra.js and Xebra-Communicator are on NPM:
https://www.npmjs.com/package/xebra.js
https://www.npmjs.com/package/xebra-communicator 

number: no longer produces unnecessary NaN

Pixi.js: removed custom PixiJS dependency

Max 8 compatibility: live.dial, message, umenu, meter~

live.tab: only output when tab selection changes

We've released a small update to the Miraweb Package, as well as published updates to Xebra.js and Xebra-Communicator on NPM.
For a more det

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We've released a small update to the Miraweb Package, as well as published updates to Xebra.js and Xebra-Communicator on NPM. For a more det

Thank you Nicholas and Exeterdown! I came across this recently and it has been very interesting. In addition to your solution, I also...

Support in Mac for ad-hoc networks has been getting progressively worse for some years, and afaict is completely non-functional by the time...

Me too! Bpatcher support would make Mira much more useful. Re. what Ben said below: for me even if we'd have to setup the bpatchers to be...

but connecting wirelessly via solid wifi connection works seamlessly however, that is rarely an option at gigs Have you considered...

Same here. xebra_global: XEBListeningConnection_ListenProc: Error accepting connection: 670008 nodename nor servname provided, or not...

https://cycling74.com/forums/sharing-is-surfing-waveform-for-mira-kind-of#reply-58ed214543f50b22d4bb59fa I think this is what you're...

Hi everyone, I'm getting my hands on MIRA and I stumbled upon a weird behaviour. I have the attached patch, with a single button in my...

Going back to 8.3.1 (which is where it should be working) it seems the mira.status object is no longer included in Max.

Looks like a presentation mode thing. check setting in Mira And also presentation (or not) on laptop

My iPad running MIRA connects to my MacBook Pro M3 on the Thunderbolt 4 port but it only receives power on the USB3 port of my Satechi ...