jb@bmbcon.demon.nl

Hi there,
I have a Mac standalone made with Max 8.2.0 which uses an audio input (actually from loopback) and an external USB camera (to trigger things).

It's working fine. But as it needs to run for a long time (months) in an installation, I would like to launch it automatically when the computer starts up (as a Login item).  This works, but during the startup process, dialog boxes appear asking for permission for "... MSP to capture audio from the microphone." and to "Allow Jitter to capture video". Which need to be clicked on.

I thought that the computer (mac mini running 10.13.4) would learn that it's ok for the app to do this (it appears in and stays in the relevant lists in the Security control panel). but these dialogs appear EVERY TIME. 

Launching the standalone app on my laptop (OS 12.1) displays the same behaviour, so I don't think it's just an OS thing.

I've done this kind of thing before and can't remember ever having this problem. 

Hi there,
I have a Mac standalone made with Max 8.2.0 which uses an audio input (actually from loopback) and an external USB camera (to trig

standalone-mac-permissions-launch-problem

Interested in resolving this permissions issue also. 

Actually I'm talking to support about it now. 

Going back to Max 8.1.11 and making the standalone with that version solves the problem, - i only have to give permission once, then the computer remembers the permissions. so it seems to be a bug in the newer version(s). I'll post here again when I have more news about it! J



if I recall correctly you can bypass this with an apple developer ID.
Once you have one, you should codesign* the app with a script. 

Check this thread:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/13204407/how-to-codesign-an-existing-mac-os-x-app-file-for-gatekeeper 

Thanks for the link! I'll check it out. It all seems to work anyway by using Max 8.1.11. And hopefully the bug will be fixed in a future version of Max.

Same here. I'm forced to export my App (https://irin.carloscaires.com/ ) using max 8.1.11. Did anyone reported this issue in the bug report form?

Anybody have any news on this?   I can't even find where to download Max 8.1.11 anymore! Seems the oldest avail on the website is 8.2 something...

Max 8.1.11. is surelly still available for download,  but link is not shown
is this for your own needs?
in which case you could get rid of stupid apple
security restrictions.
if you think solution is to use 8.1.11
I could  digg  download link from  archives


https://akiaj5esl75o5wbdcv2a-maxmspjitter.s3.amazonaws.com/Max8111_210413.dmg

Standalone Mac permissions launch problem

Sébastien Gay

As shown in the attached, I generate a list of 0./1. out of a Nodes object. The list is then indexed by a listfunnel object. 
For some reasons, when 1. is generated out of some of the nodes, node 7, for instance, as exemplified, even if the incoming list contains  7 1., the output is 7 0 instead of 7 1. . For different nodes, like node 1 or 8, the process works as expected.
When feeding the listfunnel object with the exact same list as generated by the Nodes object, but "manually" everything works well.

I've spent hours trying to understand why, with 0 success. What happens ? If someone could provide any clue, this would be highly appreciated !


 
As shown in the attached, I generate a list of 0./1. out of a Nodes object. The list is then indexed by a listfunnel object. 

strange-unpackpack-management-of-nodes'-indexed-output

listfunnel -> unpack -> == 1. -> pack is not a good way.
because in max float does not have to be
exactly what it looks like in GUI objects.
In addition, you are generating too many an too fast repeated lists from nodes.
insert zl.change at node output and input,
then to detect which 1 of 16 nodes has mouse over it
use != 0. instead of == 1.


Hi Sebastien found: a round after the nodes output : 7 outputs 0.950799....


Thank you very much, both of you, for the fast responses !

I fully understand the need of zl.change, now.

However, the "rounding" issue is still unclear to me:

I see no logical reason to explain the fact that the 7th node outputs a differently rounded number (all the other nodes are exactly the same, at least to my understanding),

In the patch I sent initially  the output list did show the 1. value when mouse was over the 7th node. Why, in MIZU's example, does the exact same Node object would output a different list of values, in the same conditions, and before any further processing. See attached. 

Is it something that one could expect or do I miss something ?

But thanks again for helping me improving my patching skills so kindly ! 

it is not only float as such, but also timing.
You were sending massive amount of messages
which passed through the list.
And manual manipulation of GUI elements in max is also adding to the problem.
the reason your nodes should output 1.
is setting the coordinates using this :


but one can move you nodes out of perfect position,
which would offset their value.
take a look at different, simplified detector using zl.sort


and also != 0. instead of == 1. if you want to keep listfunnel

I would bang the initialising message for nodes position
after mouse release, to realign them in case they got repositioned.


Could it be : its no pixel in the center of node 7 who gives 1. ? So mouseidle can't go to 1.
and the tragedy of float : == 0. only true when the 64th bit is 0
bzzz
edited added:
in the pdf: i changed the knobsise and maybe the dimension of the nodes object
& strangely, on my screen, in the 7th node, the red knob is never exactly at the center
maybe ?
michel


Well, now I am confused, but the other way round ... ;-)

1. I understand the == /float issue, and that there may be a difference between the float shown in the list and the actual number kept by the computer. Adding the round object just outside Nodes seems to be sufficient to solve the entire issue ?
2. But as far as zl.change is concerned, thinking twice, I may finally miss the point. If I move the curser inside the Nodes object, as it does not move continuously, but only step by step, the list is output without clicking at every move and changes every time anyway. So each output list is different from the previous one. The zl.change step does not add value, if I understand well the purpose of it.

 I don't want to be tiresome, just trying to understand and learn from my mistakes .... you have been very patient and reactive so far, thanks again for that, guys.

@ SOURCE AUDIO: thanks for the $1-filtering-out-of-zl.sort trick !

on very mouse change in node, you genearte a list at rightmost outlet
and round it, then resend back to node to snap to 16 node centers.
Without any restrictions.
insert print object directly to node output in your ORIGINAL patch,
and watch what gets out....

You never mentioned if you use that nodes ONLY when mouse
is NOT clicked.
In case you also need clicked output, you will have ever changing float 0. - 1. list output, which if run through round object,
as inserted in MIZU's patch will output whole list on slightest input change.




"You never mentioned if you use that nodes ONLY when mouse is NOT clicked". 
That's absolutely correct. My apologies. This was probably too obvious for me, as I initially chose Nodes for this very reason ...

And yes, using "print", I can see that Nodes constantly outputs lists even though no change is made. I previously, wrongly, used a simple "button" object to track when Nodes outputs something, and the button blinked only when changes where made. I couldn't see the continuous flow of data with this method (to my credit: that's a bit confusing ....).

I don't want you both to lose more time on this. Thanks to your patience and dedication : I now much better realize the essence of my initial issue, and have a much clearer understanding of what happens "behind the scene" in MAX when I use the Nodes object.
I am sincerely grateful for that.

Have a great day ahead, folks.
Sébastien

don't worry, if it was loss of time, no one would reply to questions
in the forum.
I see only one problem - one can move nodes from original position.
You can solve that by repositioning the nodes, using that message,
when mouse button is released.

middle outlet reports node state if it changes, set it filtered in inspector

then whenever one node changes .... you get the idea

Strange listfunnel management of Nodes' output 

Alex Baril

I initially was inspired to get Max/MSP through reading about Fennesz and Tim Hecker using ppooll (formerly lloopp) in their live performances. I was intrigued by it's potential for live improvisation. Much to my dismay I could not get it to work in Windows. I have gotten a lot out of the program since then so I am still happy that I have taken the plunge. That being said I would still love to try ppooll one day. Does anyone know if any resources exist anywhere that explain if it can be used in Windows? Thanks!

I initially was inspired to get Max/MSP through reading about Fennesz and Tim Hecker using ppooll (formerly lloopp) in their live ... 

max-8-licence-for-sale-250-canadian-dollars

google ppooll maxmsp wil bring you to
https://ppooll.klingt.org
where you can try to ignore all but aliases icons
or use link:
https://ppooll.klingt.org/install/

p.s. use 8.3 if you have older max version than 8.5.x


ppooll for Windows?

Matéo Esnault

I am looking to make a patch that will allow me to change the fader bank on my midi controller (with motorized fader) in order to control more than eight sliders in my main patch

hardware: icon platform M+

If anyone has any idea...

Thanks
Esno

Hi, 
I am looking to make a patch that will allow me to change the fader bank on my midi controller (with motorized fader) in order to ... 

fader-bank-motorized-fader

What is hardware icon platform  M+ ?
You have to reroute input of that controller
to different destinations (bank)
And in case that you want to reposition
hardware  sliders to values of assigned bank
also have to send it to faders

It sounds like you are trying to do something that I have done lots of over the past couple of years. However, you have not given enough information to assist you.

Most of the control desks, like the Icon series and the X-Touch units that I use, use the Mackie protocol for the control messages. This would mean that each fader on your Icon would be using MIDI pitchbend messages on channels 1 to 8 for each of the eight faders. Moving a fader on the Icon will transmit a pitchbend message and on receiving a pitchbend message the related fader will be moved to it's correct position.

To work in some sort of "bank" mode, I would suggest that you use some sort of array storage, such as a [coll] that keeps tabs on all the activity to and from the interface that you are using, whether that be a mixer interface that you have written in Max or some other external application. You can then link the Icon to whichever bank of eight parameters you choose in the [coll].

Sorry to somewhat hijack the thread, but I would love to hear from owners how the quality and durability on those Icon units is. And, if known, how it compares the x-touch or the presonus faderport. thanks!

Fader bank & motorized fader

R_Gol

  I builded some max patch as standalone and i initial the message fullscreen 1 to be open when the app start but the app wont be so full screen as it should. How can i fix that?

  I builded some max patch as standalone and i initial the message fullscreen 1 to be open when the app start but the app wont be so full ... 

full-screen-on-standalone-not-so-full

We are investigating some breakage with fullscreening in certain cases introduced in Max 8.5. Would be helpful to have full details in your report, such as exact platform, exact Max version, and a simple patch.

Is this only affecting the standalone? what exactly is happening when you go fullscreen?

If on a Mac, can you tell me if "Displays have seperate spaces" is enabled or not (System Prefs -> Mission Control)?

Full screen on standalone not so full 

lysdexic

I've made two new contributions to the Node For MaxMSP Community Library wrapping Google's MediaPipe (in a similar fashion to PoseNet using Electron) for these two:  

Handtracking using HandPose:  https://github.com/lysdexic-audio/n4m-handpose  
Facetracking using FaceMesh: https://github.com/lysdexic-audio/n4m-facemesh    

Keen to see how they work on different operating systems, pull requests and bug logging via the issue trackers in the repo welcome :)

Hi Folks,
I've made two new contributions to the Node For MaxMSP Community Library wrapping Google's MediaPipe (in a similar fashion to Pose

n4m-facemesh-handpose-google-mediapipe

super.
between 5 to 15 frames on OSX 10.15.3 Max 8.1.3
here ya go:  ⭐✰⋆🌟✪🔯✨

Wasn't expecting this kind of a negative/unhelpful response - but I'm actually getting ~20fps on Mojave on my mbp for both scripts. I thought this might be useful to share with the Max community. Hopefully some people here will find it useful.

If you run Facemesh on the cpu instead of webassembly you'll likely get 5fps, so stick with the WASM option.

Handpose is also around 20 fps. My framerate with facemesh is not as high as yours it's around 5 till 10 fps maximum (wasm)

Max 8.1.3
Mojave 10.14.6
MBP 2,9GHz i9 - intel UHD graphics 630 1536MB


Amazing - ~40fps with webgl MBP 13" +egpu.

My stats are almost identical to Aartcore's, except my GPU

Max 8.1.3
Mojave 10.14.6
MBP 2,9GHz i9 - Radeon Pro Vega 20 4 GB

Hi this is really great, I can't believe it took me this long to try it out. Thanks for sharing. Perfect for just tracking my hand instead of trying to do that with posenet. 
I am seeing similar numbers, with my mbp i7, radeon pro 560. 
hand pose is around 20 fps / facemesh was getting 15fps 

quick question, has anyone tried lowering the resolution for better performance? I just changed the dims in the camera.js file to 320x240 from 600x500 and i think im seeing  better performance. 

Hi. This looks amazing. However, after downloading the dependencies, when Electron opens I just get a blank screen, and it doesn't launch/open my webcam. Is there something I might be doing wrong?

Hi folks - I've now wrapped both of these to two Max For Live Devices which are really fun to use. I'll be adding these to the repos early next week for everyone. I've also added a whole bunch of improvements to the scripting (offscreen rendering so you don't need the window to be visible to get the data, full model controls for handpose, replicated FaceOSC's gestures for Facemesh, so you can use "mouth width" and "eye height" etc) and more which I'll show you when I commit the updates.  :)

I've quick question, has anyone tried lowering the resolution for better performance? I just changed the dims in the camera.js file to 320x240 from 600x500 and i think im seeing  better performance.

yep! that's a great idea. I've actually added params for window size into the next update that you can control from max when you spawn the window - I might default them to 320x240 for better performance for most people

Hi, thanks for your interest in the project! Could be a few things, firstly - check for a .log file inside the folder to see if everything downloaded correctly from npm. If not, it'll be inside the log. Second, could be security on your OS (catalina can sometimes be a pain with this), haven't tried on windows but heard success from windows users.

You can try toggling your video device from the GUI controls also to see if that works. In the menu bar for the electron window there is an option to "Enable Debug Console"  - if you open that up and see an error message post it here or in the issues tab for the repo on github :)

You'll also need to keep your maxpatch inside the same folder with all the other js files and node_modules. saving a patch into a different folder often breaks things with node.

@LYSDEXIC
Thanks for your reply. Hmm, it's strange. I'm certain it has all downloaded - everything opens and looks right in Visual Studio.
Interestingly - I can't see a GUI to toggle the camera with. I also do get an error, but it doesn't look like a fatal one: Electron Security Warning (Insecure Content-Security-Policy). Electron is also managing to connect to Max. 
Security-wise I'm on 10.12, and generally don't have problems granting access to things. Do you think there could be anything else up? Thanks.


Wow. thanks LYSDEXIC. Can't wait to see the updates 

Hi Lysdexic, I am having issues trying to get my webcam running in handpose and with jit.grab. On my mbp w the built in cam this works, and with my external cam.  But I am now running windows10 and only works one at a time. Do you know of a solution?  

Great work, thanks for sharing!
I would like to draw the mesh in Max instead of the electron window.
Is it possible?


Really amazing workflow @LYSDEXIC !  ⚝⚝⚝⚝⚝ 
Thanks so much! And to @DANTE LENTZ  for launching me here :)


Handpose framerate  on Win 10 > from 20 to 28fps 

Notes: on fast hand movements the tracker in Electron looks less efficient then the example run by mediapipe... https://viz.mediapipe.dev/demo/hand_tracking
Is there something wrong I did using your dev?
Tnx a lot!

Hello! 
I'm trying to use this patch (thanks for sharing) but it keeps crashing when i open it... So I didn't see a lot.

Hello!
I'm trying to open the patch (thanks for sharing) but every time it crashes after few seconds... So i didn't see a lot. I wanted to ask if there was a way to adjust this.
Anyway thank you a lot for sharing this! 

Hi folks - thanks for the bug reports - can you make issues on github (make sure to list your system specs, param settings and OS) - just "it crashes" isn't quite as useful for finding out what that could be :)

I also have an update to both of these I need to push that is 80% complete when I can get two seconds free.. I'll do what I can to get it in soon - I use these patches for the course I teach at University and the semester starts again in a few days!

I would like to draw the mesh in Max instead of the electron window.
Is it possible?

Yep! I'm drawing them in 3D in these two Max For Live devices you can see below. 

But I just checked and the patch in the repo already has this in it for regular Max - so it's already ready to go :)

These M4L devices will come out for free in April and will be lots of fun, I actually engineered gesture recognition in them for the face and hands and worked in Palm normal to tell which way up your hands are and stuff too. Plus you can control your modular via CV :)

BTW, for the face mesh do you know if it's possible to stop the jittering somehow?

And I see it does not detect ample motion like a wink. I am guessing there is no solving this, right?

Any news regarding the 2 things I wrote above? Are there any solutions? 

Thank you so much!

@YGREQ - I've found lighting conditions dramatically affect it - also if you wear a hat, glasses or have facial hair it will not perform optimally (like FaceOSC)

I can accurately detect a wink when I place a good light source evenly frontlighting my face. I just use a small 30cm fluro tube I bought for $5 and it works much better for detecting eyes (front lighting will cut down on shadows in eye sockets) and also helps eliminating jitter (when the model can't find landmarks).

The jitter could also be from processing lag if you're dropping frames - but if you're getting a decent FPS it's most likely the lighting conditions. Give it a shot! I was surprised at the difference - but YMMV.


In two days I'm *finally* pushing this update that will help with some other stuff! Was going to wait to answer your question till then but that seems a little silly - LMK how you go 

Oh! Thnk you so much for ayour answer. I will test asap with proper lighting conditions!<3 

Thanks so much for this, it's great! Was wondering if you were thinking of doing the same for the holistic whole body tracking.....would be eternally grateful if you did or could point to how to do so.

@Monica, you can find an openPose integration here which is for body tracking: https://cycling74.com/forums/openpose-for-max-sh%C3%A4ring-some-hot-machine-learning-stuff 

I am looking to map the MeshMap to a mask (an actual mask in a png file with alpha). Any clues on how I can achieve this? I am thinking of just sending the osc data to map the mask in openGL. But maybe there is a simpler solution out there. Also if you already achieved this maybe you don't mind sharing the patch? 

Thank you so much!

A problem I notice: 
1.Node for Max - Mediapipe:: Facemesh window looses its image and resets itself from time to time  coming back up after a few seconds. 
2.Once it comes back up, the OSC data stops streaming even though the face is detected again. I have to Stop the patch and restart it. 

Is this a general problem or am I doing something wrong?

BTW, the link to https://github.com/tensorflow/tfjs-models/tree/master/handpose is taking nowhere. Is the original project dead? :/


Having a small problem with HandPose and was wondering if anyone else experienced it as well. I can only get handpose to recognize my webcam if I start the program with it unplugged and then access it through OBS. This is not the case with FaceMesh or Posenet, which i havent tested extensively, but seem to work fine. 

The error message i get is : "this browser does not support video capture, or this device does not have a camera "

In the handpose camera.html file (when i  Toggle Developer Tools) I am getting an error : "DOMException: Could not start video source" as well as a lot of "failed to load SourceMap" things.  

Anyway just throwing this out there. 



This is amazing work, but I'm having trouble with this patch. It won't turn on my webcam, and the jit.pwindow from the jit.world where it reads your hand mesh is just white/blank and no hand tracking data are going through the other parts of the patch. When I add a jit.grab to the jit.world it opens the webcam, but the image is just superimposed over the blank white pwindow and still no hand recognition.

When I open the patch, I hit the button to Install dependencies in NPM, it completes, then hit the toggle, but no camera or hand tracking. No Max errors listed either and Electron seems to open, though I haven't used these connective programs before so I'm not sure how to trouble shoot.

Any suggestions?
Thanks again for this work! I'm excited to experiment with it for a project I've wanted to do for a long time.
-j


Start Handpose, and then try to access your webcam from OBS. 

Thanks Dante!
Mac OS 12.0.1
I opened OBS which turns on my camera, and then opened the Handpose patch, but no change in the issue: a blank white image is displayed in both the pwindow coming out of the jit.world context and a blank white external display in the Electron program.

...actually i found a weird bug that might be a problem. It's a little hard to explain but in Max when I open the n4m-Handpose patch, there is an error saying "can't find file sketch.js" When I double click that error it opens the subpatch "p drawHandToWorld" and shows that there is an js call object "js sketch.js," (pics attached) and when I double click it, it opens an empty window (no code). That's the first pic below.  Plus there isn't a "sketch.js" program in the n4m-Handpose directory, so i figure i maybe accidentally changed that js object when it was unlocked and saved it, etc. However, when I go back to the main patch window and then click on the "p fingerPositions"-->"p drawHandToWorld," the same js object that had the error is now named "js n4m-handpose_gl-sketch.js" and has a program written in it (second pic). So it seems like there are two versions of that subpatch in this patch somewhere, and when I do a Find for the "fingerPositions" text, it says there are 2 matches, but I can only find one from the main patch window (third pic)...something fishy?

Hey Jacob, Report the issues on github like Lysdexic requests. Maybe it just needs a little tweaking. Don't forget to list your specs. 

https://github.com/lysdexic-audio/n4m-handpose/issues 

Trying to get the software installed (npm) but it seems the posenet files are not findable. There's already an open issue on this on GitHub. And please see my attached screenshot.

Maybe over time the file path is not correct any longer? Anyone has a solution for this? Are the files installable from somewhere else or anyone know the correct file path?

@DAVID RESNICK: I am facing the same issue :
js: can't find file sketch.js

I think Mediapipe is now a good way to go for this kind of thing. You can run it all directly from jweb (no need for node). Here is a very basic example of hands tracking:
https://github.com/robtherich/jweb-mediapipe 

Based on this code, and so should be fairly straight forward to add more tracking functionality.

super!
Thanks for the example, Rob.
It runs great here - I do have a better machine now, though.
I think you also deserve some stars: ⭐✰⋆🌟✪🔯✨
(and no, I am not trying to be negative... :x)

Thank you Rob, that's very  helpful and quite impressive.
I wish I could extend to the face/facemesh tracking as well, but the process is unclear to me.

Just to explain:
I am working with disabled people. One of them can only move his head. I'm trying to build with MAX, a midi controller, that would follow his head movements. So far I have used the cv.jit package. It works well, but: 1. My computer tends to overheat rapidly when using this package. 2. I found the cv.objects to be not always fully robust, and a bit too sensitive to the surrounding context (we had recently very frustrating experience, on stage, with a dark background !).
I tried the Electron/MediaPipe solution a while ago, and wanted to see if it could be an option. But, as mentioned in a previous message, I was disappointed to see that, for some reasons, it doesn't work anymore.

Unfortunately, even if I understand the principle of collecting the mediaPipe data through jweb and the html code, I am not proficient enough to adjust your hand tracking js code in order to push the facemesh data into MAX instead (I tried ....but).

Any further help would be appreciated. I would be more than happy to provide any further information you may request.

Hi folks, just bumped electron to 25.0.1 for both repos which fixes the patchers for me on MacOS 12 on a fresh install. Can Windows users give them a try too?

I get 60FPS for handpose and 49FPS for facemesh.

The missing `sketch.js` is a misnomer... the patcher objects were duplicated and laid over the top of each other (hard to spot, fixed now).

Nice work Rob!! I'm going to try native jweb also now. I'll post these ports up here a little later for folks who want to try them.

Thank you LYSDEXIC. I'll test the MAC update soon.
I (we) will be happy to test any other solution provided.
Sébastien.

I'd like to continue exploring the jweb route, and enabling other tracking functionality, but not sure what time I'll have. Very open to pull requests on the github if anyone else is doing the same.

n4m - FaceMesh + HandPose (Google MediaPipe)

James Harkins

Since my question about AudioMix died on the vine, let me ask a broader question -- what is the best way to handle mixing in Max?

Design ideals would be: A/ maximal reuse (minimal rebuilding of the same structures again and again), B/ easy persistence of mix settings (ideally, effortless for the end-user), C/ easy-to-use GUI.

AudioMix nails A and C but B seems slightly delicate (and not a lot of information about how to improve that).

I could live without the GUI but persistence is kind of a big deal (reopen patch --> mix is destroyed, that's not usable).

Since my question about AudioMix died on the vine, let me ask a broader question -- what is the best way to handle mixing in Max?
Design ... 

audio-mixing-recommendations

i have a modular mixer bpatcher collection, too, but i dont really use it, it is often faster to use vanilla objects.

i mean... gain staging is [*~], an effect-send consists of one connection, and an effect-return of another one. 
summing is done by connecting two connections into the same place. 
if you like to use insert effects, make yourself a little abstraction from 2 gate objects and you are done, M/S is + and - and a shelving filter is in the biquad helpfile.

there is mot much you could actually build or program when it comes to mixing, unless you have to do something strange like using 10 DSP powered VST plug-ins as 10-channel plug-in in a custom surround mixer with wacom control.

I guess I look at it like this: If it takes three minutes to rebuild stereo level scaling and panning, that's three minutes that I'm not spending on production.

When I picked up SuperCollider, I knew I was not going to want to address mixing in terms of buses and groups. So I wrote a MixerChannel class, which time investment has more than paid off by now.

Working on course demos in Pd or Max, I often don't even bother with panning because it's just that little bit more work than it's worth. When you start compromising results for that reason, it indicates a usability problem.

AFAICS the smallest number of objects you need to build a quick fader from scratch is mc.pack~, mc.stereo~ (because mc.stereo~ at least gives you linear panning in one object -- not sure if you can get equal power here, though, otherwise you need to clip the pan signal, invert it for one channel, and apply the sinusoidal or square root function separately, with two *~'s... the time adds up), and mc.*~, provided that you remember to use mc.dac~ instead of dac~. Indeed, the mc way is not *bad* exactly... but I don't like to spend time rebuilding fundamental architecture. I also didn't quite care to reinvent the wheel in Max, so I wondered if anyone had a ready-made solution.

I don’t think you will find a Max solution you are happy with. Properly named variables for storing mixer settings and probably automation, trim function, panning and pan-law, mute, solo, solo in place, PFL, grouping, metering etc, whatever you want in your mixer. Another developer will most likely have other priorities, at least I never heard about a complete mixing solution in Max. Max is not famous for mixing, most people mix in another DAW or on hardware. Obviously you know how to program all this mixing stuff, so it might be better to make the modules yourself.

it totally make sense what you said, and i can follow you. but if a process only consist of two objects and you wrap it into a dozen mini abstractions you will still have to make 2 connections to get it involved in your DSP.

it is hard to recommend a best practice, because you have to decide yourself what you need more often and what you need less often.

for example you could build a mixer abstraction (without GUI) for 16 stereo channels and with all the features you need and reuse that for the next 100 years, no problem. you can design it so that it´ll work with button, toggle and multislider right out of the box.

[110.gain~] is a *~ and [110.gain-ip~] is a *~ with a line~ for the control input. then there is [110.manygain~] which does the same for 16 channels at once and [110.multigain~] with 16 indivual controls for each of the 16 channels. 
the latter is already a little mixer.
now  you can use prepend or mc to output the 16 audio channels in a single connection in order to send them to [110.multipan~] to control the panning with signals. or to [110.multipanning~] to control the pananing with data rate, or to [110.multipanner~] to use a lookuptable for the panning function. if it already stereo channels, you would already have an abstraction called multibalance...

so far so good.

but sooner or later you might feel the need for a 32 channel version. or for total recall. or for a mono version. then you have to continously update and expand your abstractions collection and eventually end up with more abstraction than different projects.

a simple bpatcher for a "channelstrip as in a DAW" already requires scripting for changing the number of I/Os (mono/stereo/surround) and poly~ or mc~ for the different versions. then they need a s/r system to make things like "effect return" and "mute/solo" available, and at this point you have not saved a preset of this thing or involved plug-ins.

i would not advised against it. 

but always consider to build the whole mixer in a single patcher as a possible alternative which causes less work.


Audio mixing recommendations?

Karel Stulens

Hi all!
I wrote a score in Sibelius and one of the staves functions as an automated trigger system.
So, simply said, I would like to import this staff, or extraction of this staff, into MaxMSP. So that MaxMSP can read the score and to use the note-on note-off info to trigger events!
Until now, I can not seem to find the right object(s) for it...

Hi all!
I wrote a score in Sibelius and one of the staves functions as an automated trigger system.
So, simply said, I would like to import 

sibelius-score-to-maxmsp

if you export that single stave as midi file
seq object can read and play it, and so trigger that events.
if you want the whole score to be played from max
then export the whole score as midi file, taking care to
separate staves into midi channels.
seq object also reads multichannel midi files.


Hi, have you solve this problem??  Can you share the way to trigger maxmsp from Sibelius.

Sibelius score to maxmsp

I-CubeX

When compiling a help patch with multiple tabs into a standalone app, only the tab that is selected and displayed at compile time is accessible in the app. How can all tabs be made accessible in the app ?

When compiling a help patch with multiple tabs into a standalone app, only the tab that is selected and displayed at compile time is ... 

turning-a-help-patch-into-a-standalone-app-with-all-its-tabs

Ok the answer was found hacking around a bit: make the visible tab the "root tab" by placing the other tabs as subpatchers in it.

Turning a help patch into a standalone app with all its tabs.

JesterN

Hi there, maybe it's been done thousands of times, but couldn't find it and thought that it's always useful to remove some noise, from mikes and hums... You can first record the profile of the noise and then subtract its spectrum from the spectrum of the incoming signal...
Should be self-explanatory.


fft-noise-removal-with-subtraction-of-noise-profile

Uh oh -- the link seems to be dead here...  Anybody have a version of this or something similar? 

fft noise removal with subtraction of noise profile

Ben Bracken

We've just released Max 8.5.4 and RNBO 1.1.1. This is a maintenance release with a focus on stability and fixing regressions.

Download the update here:
https://cycling74.com/downloads 

For a list of all Max 8.5.4 and RNBO 1.1.1 improvements, check out the change log below, or here:
https://cycling74.com/releases/max/8.5.4
https://cycling74.com/releases/rnbo/1.1.1 

curve~ / line~: appropriately outputs bang when last duration is 0

function: fixed crash with non-numeric 'setvalue' messages

jit.gl.pass (GLCore): fixed bug with texture copies when quality set to medium

jit.gl.path (GLCore): fixed matrix color input

jit.gl.plato/nurbs (GLCore): fixed rendering with jit.gl.material normal map

jit.movie (AVF): fixed image loading from URL

jit.pwindow: fixed single cell output on loadbanged matrix input

Jitter GLCore: fixed default shading with lighting, blend and transparent color values

Max for Live: fixed audioschedulertime calculation when device is open in the Editor

metro in Max for Live: outputs bangs consistently when the Arrangement View's loop brace is active

sfplay~: fixed crash with timestretching in efficient mode

textedit / pattr: last appended item correctly stored

VIZZIE BFGENER8TR: basis visible to pattrstorage

VIZZIE: fixed "patchcord has no connection" errors

Cycling '74 Forums

We've just released Max 8.5.4 and RNBO 1.1.1.

Hello Andrew, I recently created a problem report about the MTR new version, but maybe I should have done it ...

Thank you both for replying. I didn't put any 32bit object but it didn't work. I asked to cycling74 then they told me that they will not ...

https://akiaj5esl75o5wbdcv2a-maxmspjitter.s3.amazonaws.com/Max8111_210413.dmg

don't worry, if it was loss of time, no one would reply to questions in the forum. I see only one problem - one can move nodes from ...

google ppooll maxmsp wil bring you to https://ppooll.klingt.org where you can try to ignore all but aliases icons or use ...

Sorry to somewhat hijack the thread, but I would love to hear from owners how the quality and durability on those Icon units is.

We are investigating some breakage with fullscreening in certain cases introduced in Max 8.5.

I'd like to continue exploring the jweb route, and enabling other tracking functionality, but not sure what time I'll have.

it totally make sense what you said, and i can follow you.

Hi, have you solve this problem?? Can you share the way to trigger maxmsp from Sibelius.

Ok the answer was found hacking around a bit: make the visible tab the "root tab" by placing the other tabs as subpatchers in it.

Uh oh -- the link seems to be dead here... Anybody have a version of this or something similar?