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Morgan

I'm trying an idea to use the clip envelopes as a way to store presets to clips. I think that the clip automation is the way that Ableton intends for clips to start with distinct parameters, but editing them can be cumbersome.

There seem to be no LOM calls for editing clip envelopes the way that there are for clip notes.

What's the reasoning behind that? Was it that recording is the intended method to automate things?

I'm trying an idea to use the clip envelopes as a way to store presets to clips. I think that the clip automation is the way that Ableton intends for clips to start with distinct parameters, but editing them can be cumbersome. 

I'm trying an idea to use the clip envelopes as a way to store presets to clips. I think that the clip automation is the way that Ableton in

programatic-clip-envelope-editing

Same issues, did you find something interesting? Thanks

I haven't been looking into it.  I went with having a single rack of parameters that are always mapped to the main controls on my setup and didn't use the clip envelopes for those.

Same here. Looking for functions to get/set/observe envelope data from clip. 
It would just be a list with x/y values, right?

I never got info on this from Cycling or Ableton.   

A small plug, if you're looking for preset stuff. I use these devices these days:
http://maxforlive.com/library/device/3895/chainactivatormidi 
http://maxforlive.com/library/device/3896/chainactivatoraudio 

 If you're looking for automation editing stuff, I'm attaching a device that was an attempt at creating a sort of a "clip automation setter" by flashing record.  I ditched the approach because it seemed way too clunky. The device still has a number of kinks to work out, (use at your own risk!) but maybe you can pull something useful from it.   

Programatic Clip Envelope Editing??

spin lud

I have just found that Ableton beats counting is a bit weird.

I have a test project with 2 bars in 4/4, 2 bars in 6/8 and then again 4/4.

To debug what's going on the Ableton internal counter, at each tick I have logged bars/beats/sub_division/ticks, song time (expressed in beats, not in ms as reported by documentation) and time signature.

As you can notice, when time signature switch from 4/4 to 6/8 Ableton BEATS=5 (does not reset to BEATS=1), because Ableton computes bars/beats/sub_division/ticks reasoning as the current time signature is the same for the entire song. So when it switched to 6/8 Ableton does the computation as the whole song is in 6/8.

This is even more evident in the transition back from  6/8 to 4/4. You will notice that the BARS count decrease (from BARS=5 to BARS=4):

BARS=5 BEATS=4 SUB=2 TICKS=53 | TIME=13.966938775510204 | SIGNATURE=6/8

BARS=4 BEATS=3 SUB=1 TICKS=2 | TIME=14.006938775510203 | SIGNATURE=4/4

This is because when switching back to 4/4, Ableton consider the entire song in 4/4 and update the time values accordingly.

The issue is that I find impossible to detect the real (musical) downbeat when a time signature changes like this occur. For musical downbeat I mean the real first beat of a bar (the one we hear with a different sound when we activate the metronome). To do that we should know every possible signature change in the project, but we can't assume to start the project always from the beginning and detect all the signature changes along the way.

Has anyone managed to find a solution to this problem? I tried but failed miserably.

The only way I have found is to add a listener to a button on the controller to manually compute a beat offset when a beat misalignment occur due to time signature change and apply that offset to the beat reported by Ableton. Better than nothing 🤷‍♂️

I have just found that Ableton beats counting is a bit weird.

I have a test project with 2 bars in 4/4, 2 bars in 6/8 and then again...

help-needed-find-real-downbeat-in-case-of-signature-changes

Help needed: find real downbeat in case of signature changes

Loïc Le Roux

I'm looking for a way to make (or find) a device with a simple button that say : 

It would create an automation with a single breakpoint on each parameter ( like aux sends, volume, pan, plugins, clip gain...). 

A great feature would be "except ( - Track On/off - clip - mixer - plugin...)" and delete .

I can't find a way with Live Object Model (except call_clear_automation) and i'm still a beginner with Max.

Hello,

I'm looking for a way to make (or find) a device with a simple button that say : store all Clip's parameters! for a selected clip....

using-clips-envelopes-to-store-all-clips-parameters

Using Clip's envelopes to "store" all Clip's parameters

Diemo Schwarz

An open question for M4L makers: Has anyone done anything to automate (at least partly) the build and distribution process of a M4L device? For me, it still involves manual steps that I'd like to avoid (by some Apple scripting magic maybe?)

1. clean out all those pesky unfrozen externals and subpatches that Live scatters everywhere on the system and that can possibly be picked up with the new  build

2. open a new Live set, add the source device

3. freeze and save to the distribution dir

An open question for M4L makers: Has anyone done anything to automate (at least partly) the build and distribution process of a M4L device?...

automating-m4l-builds

Automating M4L builds?

Leo Monti

So basically this patch should receive the parent track's name and remove it's first letter. As the title says, this event should happen right between someone pressing "del" on live (or any form of deletion command) and the device actually being deleted. 

I can't for the life of my wrap my head around editing or changing the priority queue.

So basically this patch should receive the parent track's name and remove it's first letter. As the title says, this event should happen...

track-name-change-happening-on-device-deletion-from-same-live-track

Track name change happening on device deletion from same live track

Simon East

I have a really odd issue that I have been trying to debug for a week now and I am getting nowhere with it - so maybe someone here has some ideas that might help.

I have an existing M4L plugin that is released and working fine in Live 10, 11 and 12.

I've made some updates to it and Livee now it crashes when a project containing the plugin is loaded into Live 10.1.43 - it does not crash Live 11 or 12.

I've created two new Live 10 projects that only contain the original plugin. One I save with the default plugin settings. The other I save with a change to one live.numbox item.

If I then switch the plugin file to the new version, restart Live 10, and load the project with the default plugin settings it works fine. But if I try and load the project that has the one change saved it crashes every time.

I have now deleted everything else from inside the new version of the plugin apart from the single live.numbox item and the crash still happens - it seems to simply be the act of Live setting the value of the live.numbox that is crashing it. The only thing that might be slightly out of the ordinary is that the live.numbox is in a bpatcher maxpat which is itself contained in another maxpat because this code is reused in a number of other plugins - but these nexted bpatchers have been working fine in previous versions.

I've also found one other UI item, a live.menu, that has the same effect. But other live.menu items in the maxpat work fine and don't cause a crash. Same thing happens with this - if a test project is saved with the original default settings then it works fine, but if the selection of the menu is changed then it crashes when loaded.

I have tried this on Mac and Windows - same crash on both - so I don't think it can be some local config issue. Besides that this has all be working fine for previous releases.

Anyone got any ideas how I can work out what is going on here?

I have a really odd issue that I have been trying to debug for a week now and I am getting nowhere with it - so maybe someone here has some...

maxforlive-plugin-crashing-live-10143

MaxForLive plugin crashing Live 10.1.43 

chapelier fou

I'd like to get the currently playing clip name. I have no problem getting the name of a session clip, but I want to keep track of the currently playing clip, either in session or in arrangement.

The only way I see for now to get the clip currently playing in arrangement would be to get all arrangement clip ids, get the current transport time, and check for all of them if the current time fits into the starting and end points. That can't be that twisted, can it ? 

I'd like to get the currently playing clip name. I have no problem getting the name of a session clip, but I want to keep track of the currently playing clip, either in session or in arrangement.
The only way I see for now to get the clip currently playing in arrangement would be to get all arrangement clip ids, get the current transport time, and check for all of them if the current time fits into the starting and end points. That can't be that twisted, can it ?  
Any help ? 

I'd like to get the currently playing clip name. I have no problem getting the name of a session clip, but I want to keep track of the curre

get-playing-clip-name-also-in-arrangement

Did you ever end up figuring this out? I have the same question.

Hi, i have a very useful patch made by Julien Bayle, 
hope that help you

That patch from Julien Bayle only gives us the name of the playing clip in session view. Has anyone figured out yet how to get the name of the playing clip in the arrangement?
I'm currently working on a patch that wouldn't work at all in the arrangement view, thus also not when you're exporting your arrangement, as long as I don't solve this problem.

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