ygreq

I recently had some weird experiences with Max. 

Example 1: On main PC when I maximized a patch window, it did not properly maximized. I mean the window indeed maximized, but the inside of the patch stayed almost the same with some extra unusable space to the right

Example 2: On other 2 PCs that don't have a license turned on, I opened a subpatch and nothing in the interface works. No patch button or anything I click on interacts. And also I cannot interact with the menu inside the subpatch, meaning all the icons to the left and below. Not even the edit button. The text menu on top works.

Maybe I can do a recording if you would like. 

Hi there! 

I recently had some weird experiences with Max. 
Example 1: On main PC when I maximized a patch window, it did not properly maximized. I mean the window indeed maximized, but the inside of the patch stayed almost the same with some extra unusable space to the right

Example 2: On other 2 PCs that don't have a license turned on, I opened a subpatch and nothing in the interface works. No patch button or anything I click on interacts. And also I cannot interact with the menu inside the subpatch, meaning all the icons to the left and below. Not even the edit button. The text menu on top works.

Maybe I can do a recording if you would like. 

I am on a windows 10 laptop

Hi there! 

I recently had some weird experiences with Max. 
Example 1: On main PC when I maximized a patch window, it did not properly maxi

bug-cannot-use-the-interface-inside-some-subpatches

Now I realized the mouse positions is way off. And this is why I cannot access anything. You can see in the pic where my mouse is and where the area I am selecting is

Bug: Cannot use the interface inside some subpatches

I am trying to use a Blackmagic Intensity Shuttle USB 3.0 in Max and I believe I tried every combination, but I just can't get it to work. It works in OBS so not a problem with the drivers or anything like that.

In Max I tried using it with [jit.grab]. I tried all these below with all possible format combinations.

I also tried sending a format -1 message. It reports 

jit.grab: Blackmagic device - searching for valid video input format 

In the Desktop Video Setup app I set the Intensity Shuttle video output to 1080i50. Should I set it to something else?

PS: If I unplug the capture card, I only get :

Hi folks!

I am trying to use a Blackmagic Intensity Shuttle USB 3.0 in Max and I believe I tried every combination, but I just can't get it to work. It works in OBS so not a problem with the drivers or anything like that.

In Max I tried using it with [jit.grab]. I tried all these below with all possible format combinations.

Blackmagic WDM Capture (7) 
Decklink Video Capture 
Intensity Shuttle [Native]

Chicony USB 2.0 Camera  
OBS Virtual Camera 

I also tried sending a format -1 message. It reports jit.grab: Blackmagic device - searching for valid video input format and nothing else. 

In the Desktop Video Setup app I set the Intensity Shuttle video output to 1080i50. Should I set it to something else?

Any other ideas?
Thank you so much!

PS: If I unplug the capture card, I only get :

vdevlist
Chicony USB 2.0 Camera 
Decklink Video Capture 
OBS Virtual Camera

Hi folks!

I am trying to use a Blackmagic Intensity Shuttle USB 3.0 in Max and I believe I tried every combination, but I just can't get it

using-blackmagic-intensity-shuttle-usb-3-0-in-max-in-2021

if jit.grab is not working with your device I'd advise using OBS and send to Jitter via Syphon / Spout / NDI.

Hi Rob! This is what I am actually doing right now, but I would really like to use a single app. :/

Maybe there are some settings that I don't know about?!

Using Blackmagic Intensity Shuttle USB 3.0 in Max in 2021?

Simon O'Rorke

I cannot find any way to manually/explicitly save a project in Max 8. Instead, the project appears to get automatically saved on close, provided a change has been detected. The problem is that I have found a type of change that does not get detected and that will not be saved unless there are other types of change:

When a new file (patcher or code) is added, it is added to the end of the patcher or code section of the file list shown in the project. I can reorder the files by drag and drop. But, if I close the project after adding files and reopen the project 

 reordering the files, the reorder get lost if I then close the patcher without also do some other type of change, such as removing or adding a file.

I'm hoping this is just a beginner's mistake on my part, that there's some way to manually save the project I'm just not seeing. Or perhaps there's some other trick to making the reorder be recognised when Max checks for changes on closing the project.

Meanwhile, my workaround is to remove a file from the project and add it back in, a dummy change that forces Max to save the project and my changes to the file order when I close the project.

I cannot find any way to manually/explicitly save a project in Max 8.  Instead, the project appears to get automatically saved on close, provided a change has been detected.  The problem is that I have found a type of change that does not get detected and that will not be saved unless there are other types of change:

When a new file (patcher or code) is added, it is added to the end of the patcher or code section of the file list shown in the project.  I can reorder the files by drag and drop.  But, if I close the project after adding files and reopen the project before reordering the files,  the reorder get lost if I then close the patcher without also do some other type of change, such as removing or adding a file.

I'm hoping this is just a beginner's mistake on my part, that there's some way to manually save the project I'm just not seeing.  Or perhaps there's some other trick to making the reorder be recognised when Max checks for changes on closing the project.

I cannot find any way to manually/explicitly save a project in Max 8.  Instead, the project appears to get automatically saved on close, pro

saving-a-project-when-its-files-have-been-reordered

I was wrong .  The workaround I described does not work for me after all.  Even if I remove a file, add it back in and change its position, it always gets restored to the same position in the file list.

My new workaround is to change Project Items Sort Order in Project Inspector from Manual to  Ascending :

This way, the items are shown in alphabetical file name order within category (Patchers, Code etc.) rather than the increasingly arbitrary order I get when the sort order is manual.

Does anyone else get the problem where, when a project's Project Items Sort Order is Manual, a manual reorder of the items with drag and drop is not conserved when the project is closed and later reopened?

I found another workaround.  In Project Inspector, set Project Items Sort Order to Manual and turn off Show Patcher Dependencies:


If  Project Items Sort Order is Manual and  Show Patcher Dependencies is On, the impossibility of saving item order changes might be understandable if patchers with dependencies were automatically placed at the top.  But that's not the case:


Unless there's a rationale I'm not understanding for this behaviour, I suspect it's a bug.


I've worked out the rationale, though the documentation is not explicit. So I'm now fairly sure this behaviour is by design, not a bug. Consider the attached demo project as an example:

Project Items Sort Order is Manual and Show Patcher Dependencies is enabled:

The Project Settings documentation page of Max 8 Reference explains Show Patcher Dependencies as follows:

When enabled, implicit dependencies are displayed in the Project window. (default = on)


Here's how that rule is implemented in the example project:

With Project Items Sort Order set to Manual, a patcher that contains an abstraction is shown above the patcher to which the abstraction refers.  And a patcher that contains a bpatcher is shown above the patcher to which the bpatcher refers. The names of the two parent patchers describe their relationships to their respective child patchers. 

There's a fifth patcher, Cat, that has no dependency relationships with any of the project's other patchers. Let's try moving it with the mouse to a position between a parent patcher and its child patcher:


Now let's close the project and reopen it. When the project is closed, any changes to it, in this case a change to the manually defined item order, should be saved. But here's the item order when the project is reopened:

The independent Cat patcher is no longer between the abstraction parent and child patchers. Nor has it returned to its previous position at the end of the list. Instead it has been moved to immediately below the child patcher and before the bpatcher parent/child pair.

Similarly, if the independent patcher is moved to between the bpatcher parent and child patchers, then when the project is closed and reopened, the independent patcher will be positioned below the bpatcher child patcher.

Max 8 Reference contains no further documentation for Show Patcher Dependencies. And the only documentation for Project Items Sort Order is its inclusion in the screenshot of the Project Inspector window on the Project Settings page. So there's no explanation of the relationship between those two settings. That omission presumably results from either oversight or, perhaps, an assumption that the relationship is intuitive and/or self-explanatory.


i find all this automatic stuff more complicated than creating a manual order.

when i start a project, i create a folder for it, and put everything which belongs to it and is requried by it into this folder. i usually begin on the desktop, which is in my search path, later move it into the max folder. 

in a modern versions of max this would be typically in /packages.

i always have one folder with my abstractions, and when i feel the need to change something, i copy the file manually into the project folder, which may contain project-specific abstractions.

while normal abstractions are named "signature.filename", project specific abstractions are named "signature.project.filename". 
bpatchers and poly patchers usually get an additional "bp" or "po" after the signature.

it is not only easy to remember while patching, it is also easy to search and sort.

where required, for example for complex, major patches, i am creating versions manually by making a copy and adding a vesion number ("110.dumbapp.main2-05.maxpat")

i mostly load files into compiled objects by the inspector - and try to avoid using collections, prototypes, snippets, scripting or the media browsers wherever possible - at least for the initial call or save of a patcher file in a new poject.

unnecessary to add that i of course also dont trust automatic backup nonsense from lenovo or apple and do that manually, too.


There are lots of promising tips there, thanks.

Saving a project when its files have been reordered

Martin.Jirsak

When I use the new Require way, I get the message: "JavaScript ReferenceError: exports is not defined", when I save the project with the "exports".

Even if I get this error message, it works.

Any clue, why do I get this message, please (Max 7.3.3)? Thanks

When I use the new Require way, I get the  message: "JavaScript ReferenceError: exports is not defined", when I save the project with the "exports".

Hi,
When I use the new Require way, I get the  message: "JavaScript ReferenceError: exports is not defined", when I save the project with th

javascript-referenceerror-exports-is-not-defined

I don't think you need the export module. You can either include the whole js file with 

or import individual functions from a js file like this

var somefunc = require("jsfile/somefunc");

of course the js files need to be in the search path. I put mine in:

Applications/Max/Contents/Resources/C74/extensions/jitter

I am no expert though so maybe someone else can chime in? (I had a related questions before but no answer...)

I was following this article. This is, how I came to "export". I know about the "include" option, but then you "share" all variables, what is a bit risky. Thank you for the option to include one variable only, I will try this.

Here's the fix that worked for me.  When I got that error message, I had just converted a Javascript file from one that was hosted by a js object to one that exposed its functionality via exports/require.  The error message was shown because I had not yet removed all the js objects that hosted the Javascript file from my project.  When I removed those  js objects, the error messages (on for each of the  js objects ) were no longer shown.

So the rule,  in Max at least, must  be that a Javascript file containing exports must only be referenced by require, otherwise  exports will not be understood and the error message will be shown. 

If the cause of the error message was similar for Martin, that might explain why he found that the exports still worked, even though the error message was shown.  The Javascript file would have worked where used in its correct context as a require file, but not where it was hosted by a  js object (or in any other context).

JavaScript ReferenceError: exports is not defined

Florent Ghys

I love Ableton's "full screen" feature but as soon as I open a max window from a M4L device - it could be a "storagewindow" to pattrstorage, or a "; max maxwindow" to open the console - it goes full screen and fills a new macOS "space". 

Is there any way to prevent this behavior? 

hello, 
I love Ableton's "full screen" feature but as soon as I open a max window from a M4L device - it could be a "storagewindow" to pattrstorage, or a "; max maxwindow" to open the console - it goes full screen and fills a new macOS "space". 
Is there any way to prevent this behavior? 
thanks
Florent
macOS 10.14.6 - Max 8.1.1 - Live 10.1.4



hello, 
I love Ableton's "full screen" feature but as soon as I open a max window from a M4L device - it could be a "storagewindow" to pattr

-macos-prevent-opened-windows-to-fill-a-new-space-when-live-is-in-full-screen-mode

bumping to see if there's an answer. this behavior is super annoying when using some m4l devices 

I haven’t figured it out but it seems like it’s more like macOS issue than Max

I'd also love to know if anyone found a fix to this.

[macos] prevent opened windows to fill a new space when Live is in full screen mode

I believe lots of years have past since you changed the forum. And since then the search engine is broken. I have to go to google to search inside this forum. I really hate ranting, But it's been years now.. :(

Hi guys and girls of C74!

I believe lots of years have past since you changed the forum. And since then the search engine is broken. I have to go to google to search inside this forum. I really hate ranting, But it's been years now.. :(

What gives? Please let us know!

Hi guys and girls of C74!

I believe lots of years have past since you changed the forum. And since then the search engine is broken. I have

fix-forum-when

hey, what do you mean exactly by 'its broken' ? it seems mostly fine to me :O

Try searching in the forum something composed of 2 or more words. You will mostly find results related to one of the words without the other. So totally irrelevant. 

My recent search was crop jit.gl.pix. On top of the list I had one result that did not have jit.gl.pix in any of the comments. Of course I looked for crop jit.gl.pix cycling74 on google and found lots of posts inside of the forum. 

But a functioning forum would let you properly search inside it, not having to go to goole.com to search for something. :/ At least they should just integrate the google search engine inside of the forum. 

ok. I see that now and confirm there's a problem :))

..it seems too that the "~" is not seen by the search.
I was looking for informations today in the forum about the [max~] object.
impossible to have a good result. I tried searching for : "max~",  [max~]  ,  "[max~]"  ...Same results


Fix Forum. When?

T.U.

URL_1 is an interactive sound installation. The program is organized as a point and click game containing videos, images and 10 audio tracks that can be played, stopped and mixed by the user. The esoteric layout of URL_1 takes inspirations from ARGs and found footage movies, using audio and video material derived from random YouTube searches to create a new explorable reality. The aim of this installation is to provide a sound experience that involves directly the listener in the creation of an audio composition, without requiring any musical knowledge. 

The software does not require any installation or additional program to be run. It can be launched by double clicking on the .exe file in the principal folder, if the audio doesn't start right away, please follow the instructions in the manual by clicking on the "?" symbol to correctly set up the audio status of the program.

demo https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/617893434

 URL_1 is an interactive sound installation. The program is organized as a  point and click game containing videos, images and 10 audio tracks that  can be played, stopped and mixed by the user. The esoteric layout of  URL_1 takes inspirations from ARGs and found footage movies, using audio  and video material derived from random YouTube searches to create a new  explorable reality. The aim of this installation is to provide a sound  experience that involves directly the listener in the creation of an  audio composition, without requiring any musical knowledge.  
The software does not require any installation or additional program to  be run. It can be launched by double clicking on the .exe file in the  principal folder, if the audio doesn't start right away, please follow  the instructions in the manual by clicking on the "?" symbol to  correctly set up the audio status of the program. 

 URL_1 is an interactive sound installation. The program is organized as a  point and click game containing videos, images and 10 audio trac

url_1

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tmhglnd

Hi all! I'm sharing this object that I use to easily switch engines when working between different gl2/gl3 projects. You simply add the object [gl.check] to your patcher and add the argument gl2 or gl3 (default is gl3) so it will check what engine is used when starting the patcher. If the engine does not match the engine of the argument it will prompt you with the question if you want to switch. When clicking OK you get the prompt to restart Max (as you normally would when switching the engines through the preferences). You can also transform it to a [bpatcher] to use a umenu to manually switch from within your patch.

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Hi all! I'm sharing this object that I use to easily switch engines when working between different gl2/gl3 projects. You simply add the obje

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Thanks for sharing that. - do you have any experience or know of any resources for making max / jitter pieces into NFTs?

[sharing] gl.check : easily switch gl-engine when opening patcher

Colin Coogan

I'm building a simple randomized midi sequencer in Max for Live that uses the random object to fill cells on a matrix ctrl object which then acts as a sequencer. My hope is to be able to have multiple instances of this sequencer running simultaneously and independently in the same session. Currently, separate instances of the plugin will influence each other in a variety of ways- for example, if I generate a sequence in one instance the same sequence will appear on the other instance of the plugin. I did some research and found that adding "--" to the beginning of my sends and receives mitigated some of the issues, but not all of them. I found that by saving new versions of the plugin and changing the names of the sends and receives between them solves the problem, but this is obviously labor intensive and not ideal solution as I would prefer to be able to just add new instances and have it work. Any tips to keep the sends and receives from influencing eachother, beyond just adding two dashes?

Randomizerv4.amxd

Hey all, first post so plz bear with me. 

I'm building a simple randomized midi sequencer in Max for Live that uses the random object to fill cells on a matrix ctrl object which then acts as a sequencer.  My hope is to be able to have multiple instances of this sequencer running simultaneously and independently in the same session. Currently, separate instances of the plugin will influence each other in a variety of ways- for example, if I generate a sequence in one instance the same sequence will appear on the other instance of the plugin. I did some research and found that adding "--" to the beginning of my sends and receives mitigated some of the issues, but not all of them. I found that by saving new versions of the plugin and changing the names of the sends and receives between them solves the problem, but this is obviously labor intensive and not ideal solution as I would prefer to be able to just add new instances and have it work. Any tips to keep the sends and receives from influencing eachother, beyond just adding two dashes? 

Hey all, first post so plz bear with me. 
I'm building a simple randomized midi sequencer in Max for Live that uses the random object to fil

multiple-instances-of-the-same-max-plugin-influencing-each-other

Three dashes, not two, will do what you want.

You can open your .maxpat file in a text editor with a "search" and "replace all" functionality and replace "--" with "---".   Be a little careful if you do it that way, though...

Multiple instances of the same Max plugin influencing each other 

AudioMatt

I’d like to write an object that loads and unloads subpatches which run audio. Is there any information on doing this?

I’d like to write an object that loads and unloads subpatches which run audio.  Is there any information on doing this?

examples-of-poly~-style-startingstopping-dsp-in-subpatches

I have this example on how you can use poly~ to dynamically chain multiple dsp effects: https://github.com/tmhglnd/poly-recursion

Ah!  Im looking for a way to do what poly~ does in C 

but this is super cool.  I sort of didn’t know you could do this.  


turning poly´s on and off is a nobrainer and i would go so far saying that it is its main feature.

but what really sucks is that you sometimes have to build a poly patcher from an already existing patcher, that you sometimes have to change the order or number of ins and outs, then maybe later you decide that you are not going to use the poly version and all the effort seems to be in vain.

an external which recreates the features of [patcher] but accepts a "disable" message would be a good addition to max. ^^ 

though i think it would already work like that if it was so easily possible.

Roman that's exactly what I want to do from C is mute and unmute dsp in a patcher loaded internally.  

You can also use (enable $1) > [pcontrol] > [abstraction] or connect [mute~] object. Include the [pass~] object within the abstraction to make sure when enable that you don't get unexpected noise from the outlet.


Concerning writing a existing patcher into a poly~ patcher, I would just write a wrapper for that patcher, connection [in]'s and [out~]'s to the abstraction within.

enable $1 flips audio on and off?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?

It's not in the help file or the reference.


putting pass~ objects into a bunch of  your abstractions or patches is a solution not better than creating a poly~ version... however sometimes it might still be more appropiate. 

and "enable" to [pcontrol] only disables midi properly.

strange enough: in older versions of max the mute~ helpfile were showing how to do it with "mute" to [pcontrol] - the pcontrol helpfile does not.

and while works with the tapin/tapout example in a [p ] in this mute~ helpfile, it does not work with my abstractions.

if you only think about very big patches or patching with bpatchers: both pcontrol and mute~ must be connected directly. do you really want to have one extra object in the canvas for turning subcircuits on and off? ... for my part i prefer the patches to receive 0 and 1 in the righmost inlet like my poly´s do. ;)

and dont forget that you often need to do more than turning DSP off - for example you might want to send out 0 at all signal outlets before you cut the connections off...

conclusion: mute~ and pcontrol both offer solutions for special cases, but it is not what you originally had in mind and wont make your idea unjustified.

and "enable" to [pcontrol] only disables midi properly. 

what does this mean?  I just tried it and my audio flipped on/off with no gap.  Is this unsupported behavior? 

my plan right now is to load my subpatchers inside a generic patch with a pcontrol attached to turn them on/off


yes in [p] it works, but not in [mypatch]

and it seems that it only disables the MSP objects. if you make a [patcher] containing "inlet-connection-outlet" you can not mute that thing (unlike in a poly)

other than the mute~ helpfile suggest with its tapping buffer example, using pcontrol still requires a pass~ object per outlet. that is, for lower levels, when you do "enable 0 1", too(!)

not sure where this makes a difference, but i see dark clouds rising.


I experimented alot on this, In the end I put all the audio code in gen~ and the main code block is in a conditional which just doesn't do anything if the sound output level is zero. I found it much more efficient than turning things on and off at the object level.  It does mean putting everything in codebox so its not for everybody. If there were string processing in gen I wouldn't use objects much at all. 

Examples of poly~ style starting/stopping dsp in subpatches?

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subpatch not maximized

Hi Rob! This is what I am actually doing right now, but I would really like to use a single app. :/ Maybe there are some settings that I...

There are lots of promising tips there, thanks.

Here's the fix that worked for me. When I got that error message, I had just converted a Javascript file from one that was hosted by a js...

I'd also love to know if anyone found a fix to this.

forum needs too a [tosymbol] :) ..it seems too that the "~" is not seen by the search. I was looking for informations today in the forum...

URL_1 is an interactive sound installation. The program is organized as a point and click game containing videos, images and 10 audio...

Thanks for sharing that. - do you have any experience or know of any resources for making max / jitter pieces into NFTs?

Three dashes, not two, will do what you want. You can open your .maxpat file in a text editor with a "search" and "replace all"...

I experimented alot on this, In the end I put all the audio code in gen~ and the main code block is in a conditional which just doesn't do...